Redskins' Kirk Cousins: Still far apart on extension terms

[Breed]

I say Moses lost contain because the DE shed him like a snake sheds a skin every summer. Kirk was doing what every GOOD QB does at some point, stepping up into the pocket to make a throw. Now it was assumed Moses could actually maintain his block... he didnt. How many times have we seen NFL Qbs climb the pocket and make an accurate throw?? Again had Moses controlled the DE instead of getting punked, the only question on that pass would have been does Garcon catch the ball.

It takes a while for a snake to shed his skin....bad analogy. So what on what all good QBs do at some point far as stepping up in the pocket. That don't prove or disprove shit. All good QBs have stood firm and tall deep in the pocket to make a throw as well. All good QBs have rolled out of the pocket to make a throw as well.

Its can be hard to maintain a block when the guy you're blocking who is presently engaged with you. Suddenly peels away from you and is heading in a different direction. Cuz made it easy for dude to peel off Moses when he moved up in the pocket and in the process went right by Moses and the guy he was blocking

 

[Breed]

Honestly... simply because he hasnt lived up to what you guys think a franchise QB is. But I also think you have the idea that a franchise QB is Rogers, Brady or the like. As I have also said before, I think you guys dont consider any one not considered elite, to be worthy as a franchise QB.

He hasn't lived up to what a franchise QB is. A franchise QB doesn't have to be a Rodgers or Brady. Rivers, Luck, Eli, Payton, Cam, even Romo. Have all played like franchise QBs at one or another. Hell, Eli and F;lacco have shown. That's its just as important, maybe even moresdo. To perak at the right time.

Or put another way. I think a franchise QB comes away with more than 8 wins last year. Particularly when your team already has 6 wins in 10 games into the season.

 

[j_y19]

I'm going to wait and hopefully get more response to the simple questions: As a full two year starter, Where has he (Cousins) shown growth from year one to year two? What does his upside look like?

Leadership and his growing ability to pre-read the defense.

I have always maintained that Cousins reminds me of a young Drew Brees and that is where I would put his upside. Not saying he will ever get there, but he has the tools to play a game very similar to the way Brees has played it.

 

[gkekoa]

He hasn't lived up to what a franchise QB is. A franchise QB doesn't have to be a Rodgers or Brady. Rivers, Luck, Eli, Payton, Cam, even Romo. Have all played like franchise QBs at one or another. Hell, Eli and F;lacco have shown. That's its just as important, maybe even moresdo. To perak at the right time.

Or put another way. I think a franchise QB comes away with more than 8 wins last year. Particularly when your team already has 6 wins in 10 games into the season.

When did any of those QBs get a ton of wins with a defense that was historically bad?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

How bout instead of throwing to the wrong f'n team, he f'n throw the gdf'n ball anywhere else. That's my LAST comment on the subject.

Cousins has thrown 23 INTs vs 54 TDs in the last two seasons. He threw 19 INTs vs 18 TDs prior to that. He certainly has improved to a significant degree in this area. His problem - as I have stated several times previously - is that he will often not come through in big games. This is where he needs to improve & I see no reason why he cannot improve in this area given his personality & also the recent upgrades by the Redskins.

I don't care if you call him a franchise QB, average QB or whatever. He is what this team needs at this time & they need to lock him up for the future & not lose him over additional money that won't matter that much in the long run or just because some fans either don't like him or the idea of QBs getting this type of money (deal w/ it - it is 2017 & this is the status quo for the NFL).

If all of these recent upgrades for the Redskins pan out as expected I just don't want to see them waste another 2-3 years on another young QB who may or may not be the answer. Why not simply go w/ more of a sure thing & work to improve his flaws which are certainly very correctable?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

that is a fair deal that gk proposed but I don't think KC will sign it.

You base that statement on what exactly? Your entire argument is based on conjecture & your dislike either for Cousins or highly paid athletes. Also - I agree w/ gke that Cousins should ask for a little more guaranteed money to compensate for the fact that they will already be guaranteeing him $20M this season.

So - let's say that they could settle on $70M guaranteed instead of $60M - would you have an issue w/ that? I think that those are fair #s & again people need to stop interpreting these numbers as being based on where a QB stands in comparison to his peers. It is much more about timing & when you sign your contract. No doubt future QB extensions will be for much, much more & a lot of these QBs will be nowhere near as good as a Brady or Rodgers.

 

[j_y19]

You base that statement on what exactly? Your entire argument is based on conjecture & your dislike either for Cousins or highly paid athletes. Also - I agree w/ gke that Cousins should ask for a little more guaranteed money to compensate for the fact that they will already be guaranteeing him $20M this season.

So - let's say that they could settle on $70M guaranteed instead of $60M - would you have an issue w/ that? I think that those are fair #s & again people need to stop interpreting these numbers as being based on where a QB stands in comparison to his peers. It is much more about timing & when you sign your contract. No doubt future QB extensions will be for much, much more & a lot of these QBs will be nowhere near as good as a Brady or Rodgers.

If he signed that deal, he would be the highest paid for a nanosecond. Carr and Stafford will both get new deals this year that will surpass Cousins. And so on, and so on......

For those of you that get hung up on "he doesn't deserve to be the highest paid QB" argument, you need to get over it. My house doesn't deserve to be the most expensive on the block, but if I sold it today, it technically would be. Until the next one sold.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

If he signed that deal, he would be the highest paid for a nanosecond. Carr and Stafford will both get new deals this year that will surpass Cousins. And so on, and so on......

For those of you that get hung up on "he doesn't deserve to be the highest paid QB" argument, you need to get over it. My house doesn't deserve to be the most expensive on the block, but if I sold it today, it technically would be. Until the next one sold.

It's all relative - people need to get over the $$ figures already.

 

[deanpet21]

So...a minute and twenty seconds is plenty of time? I would say time is a factor there. They would have one timeout left but it would have been 2nd and 14 from near the 50 with a struggling FG kicker.

Now answer this question...should KC throw the ball to people he sees as open?

Of course but he knew he was late and throwing over the middle. Its a bad decision

 

[deanpet21]

You base that statement on what exactly? Your entire argument is based on conjecture & your dislike either for Cousins or highly paid athletes. Also - I agree w/ gke that Cousins should ask for a little more guaranteed money to compensate for the fact that they will already be guaranteeing him $20M this season.

So - let's say that they could settle on $70M guaranteed instead of $60M - would you have an issue w/ that? I think that those are fair #s & again people need to stop interpreting these numbers as being based on where a QB stands in comparison to his peers. It is much more about timing & when you sign your contract. No doubt future QB extensions will be for much, much more & a lot of these QBs will be nowhere near as good as a Brady or Rodgers.

No. IMO KC wants to hit Fa. Why don't you guys understand this?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

No. IMO KC wants to hit Fa. Why don't you guys understand this?

Again - you base that reply on what exactly? You already stated that you don't know what is going on during the negotiations. Gruden saying that the ball is in Cousins' court also doesn't mean much. What has Cousins said/done that indicates that he wants to hit FA?

Let's say what you state is accurate. Does Cousins want to go in this direction no matter what? Would this be true if the Skins gave him a $70 M or $80 guarantee? Be honest - you have no idea. You just appear to be in a big rush for the Redskins to either go the cheap route or get rid of Cousins. Again - regardless of Cousins' issues - finding a replacement is not going to be as easy as some suggest so truly hoping that they take care of this soon & don't let a few bucks be the hold up.

 

[deanpet21]

Again - you base that reply on what exactly? You already stated that you don't know what is going on during the negotiations. Gruden saying that the ball is in Cousins' court also doesn't mean much. What has Cousins said/done that indicates that he wants to hit FA?

Let's say what you state is accurate. Does Cousins want to go in this direction no matter what? Would this be true if the Skins gave him a $70 M or $80 guarantee? Be honest - you have no idea. You just appear to be in a big rush for the Redskins to either go the cheap route or get rid of Cousins. Again - regardless of Cousins' issues - finding a replacement is not going to be as easy as some suggest so truly hoping that they take care of this soon & don't let a few bucks be the hold up.

Jesus Christ dude. I said IMO. Do you know what that means?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Jesus Christ dude. I said IMO. Do you know what that means?

So you base your opinions on absolutely nothing? Got it.

 

[gkekoa]

Of course but he knew he was late and throwing over the middle. Its a bad decision

We agree it was late. We agree it was over the middle.

Are you suggesting if you are late and over the middle, a QB should not throw to a player he sees as open and capable of completing the pass? Do you believe it is a bad decision to throw the ball to a player you see as open?

Why didn't Garçon work back to the ball?

 

[Sharkinva]

He hasn't lived up to what a franchise QB is. A franchise QB doesn't have to be a Rodgers or Brady. Rivers, Luck, Eli, Payton, Cam, even Romo. Have all played like franchise QBs at one or another. Hell, Eli and F;lacco have shown. That's its just as important, maybe even moresdo. To perak at the right time.

Or put another way. I think a franchise QB comes away with more than 8 wins last year. Particularly when your team already has 6 wins in 10 games into the season.

You do realize, of the group of QBs you just mentioned, the only one not considered Elite would be Rivers. SO again as I have said, in your view... if he aint elite, he will never be good enough. And I some what agree with GK on this one. Which of these QBs do you think would have pulled ten wins had then been swapped out with Cousins??

 

[deanpet21]

So you base your opinions on absolutely nothing? Got it.

its an opinion board genius.

 

[deanpet21]

We agree it was late. We agree it was over the middle.

Are you suggesting if you are late and over the middle, a QB should not throw to a player he sees as open and capable of completing the pass? Do you believe it is a bad decision to throw the ball to a player you see as open?

Why didn't Garçon work back to the ball?

in that situation yes. there is no need for a risk throw.

 

[gkekoa]

in that situation yes. there is no need for a risk throw.

So...with time running down in the game, our last possession, he shouldn't make a risky throw? But early in the game with plenty of time to score later in the game, he is fine risking throws?

So, at the end of games, QBs should not throw to what they see as open WRs? Why throw at all then? Because there is always risk the ball will be intercepted.

 

[deanpet21]

So...with time running down in the game, our last possession, he shouldn't make a risky throw? But early in the game with plenty of time to score later in the game, he is fine risking throws?

So, at the end of games, QBs should not throw to what they see as open WRs? Why throw at all then? Because there is always risk the ball will be intercepted.

Now you are being crazy. There was no need to force the throw b/c you had timeouts to take the sack. It was a bad play by KC. He has to be smarter than that.

 

[j_y19]

Now you are being crazy. There was no need to force the throw b/c you had timeouts to take the sack. It was a bad play by KC. He has to be smarter than that.

Dean, I actually agree with you. It was a bad play by KC. Once he pulled the ball down, he should have eaten it. Garcon was open early, but KC couldn't find the room to make the pass so he stopped at that point, the defense saw his target and moved in.

My question to you is what makes you believe he can't learn from that and become smarter in those situations? All is has done throughout is career is work hard and become better. Why can't he continue? You seem to assume that since he did it in this situation, he will continue to do it every time he is faced with that situation in the future. I maintain that if you look at his history, he has been very critical of his shortcomings and has worked hard to address them. I believe this is an area that he will learn from. Why do you feel he can't?