OSU/Michigan Officiating

[TrustMeIamRight]

At what point do you man up and put the blame on the team and coaches? You honestly believe that Michigan only lost because of some grander officiating conspiracy? At least @Lions=TeHsUcKs has enough pride to place the blame where it's truly deserved.

Where have I said the only reason UM lost is the officiating? I've said NUMEROUS times UM lost because of Speight. He doesn't cost the team 21 points -- there is no OT.

I even went as far as to say, I think some of the reason Harbaugh went off in the presser was to take some of the blame off his QB. If he hadn't done so -- Speight would have been center stage fielding question after question about the Int's and Fumble.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I don't think that was a false start. I can't even tell if he moved or if the camera moved. The ones in OT could've been called either way. I've seen many times (especially the PI) where those sort of plays don't get called. The Lattimore play early in the game? Yes, that was egregious.

If you haven't noticed, I really don't care if they were bad calls. That shit happens literally every game. As I've shown, we got jobbed against PSU but shit happens. Hell the fact that we didn't have instant replay in 2003 nearly cost us our national championship that year because of two egregious non-calls at the end of regulation. Like I said, you guys are far from the first team to have some calls go against you. However, you had plenty of shots to win this game and you didn't.

I truly hope we get a rematch in the playoffs, as it's clear these are two of the 4 best teams in the nation.

If you didn't care about bad calls -- why do you remember two bad calls from 13 years ago? Or do you only care if they go against OSU?

 

[umichgradfan]

Wrong it was the mgoblog that did the indepth analysis on that. Check out the obsession.

Mgoblog did not do the analysis--a blogger did.

 

[Across The Field]

If almost every sports media outlet had not said the officiating in the game was egregious, no one (well, except for one person, maybe) would still be complaining about it. You also know it was especially bad as well but keep trying to pretend it wasn't. You are as bad as MnB. Everybody needs to stop talking about it. Ohio State won the game. Period. It was a tough, close game that Ohio State can thank its lucky stars for winning.

Harbaugh's rant (for which he was rightly fined) was as much about lobbying for a spot in the playoffs (however slim the possibility is) as it was about the decidedly poor officiating. I would argue that it worked because any misstep by Washington or Clemson probably means Michigan is "in." By putting Michigan in the #5 spot, the Committtee is acknowledging that the Wolverines are worthy of a spot because of their great play during the season and the closeness of the game with Ohio State. In fact, Kirby Hocutt has already acknowledged publicly that the Committee argued extensively whether Michigan or Washington should be in.

Now, it's well known that most Ohio State fanboys dislike Jim Harbaugh and his quirky antics and pretty much refuse to acknowledge that he's quite a good coach (certainly right behind Saban and Meyer). But, I think they actually fear the day when he gets all of the right pieces in place and begins to beat Ohio State regularly (he almost pulled it off this year--some say he should have). I can tell you with certainty that he won't be going to the NFL or anywhere else until that happens. So, let's put that argument to rest along with the ones where Ohio State fanboys compare him to Brady Hoke. Puh-lease, Jim Harbaugh is head and shoulders above Brady Hoke's ability to develop players and coach them.

Everybody needs to get a grip.

The only thing you posted that's true is that everybody needs to get a grip. To insinuate that OSU fans are "scared" of Harbaugh is laughable to put it mildly. In case you forgot, OSU had to replace 18 starters this year with very little starting experience, while michigan brought back one of the most experienced teams in the nation (over 50% seniors). What Meyer did this year is one of the more remarkable coaching jobs in the nation, and he's giving no signs of letting up any time soon.

 

[Across The Field]

If you didn't care about bad calls -- why do you remember two bad calls from 13 years ago? Or do you only care if they go against OSU?

I'm 32 years old. I've had my fair share of drinks in the last 13+ years, but I don't have Alzheimer's. It's not hard to forget one of the biggest plays from one of the biggest Buckeye games in my lifetime.

 

[Milkshake]

If you didn't care about bad calls -- why do you remember two bad calls from 13 years ago? Or do you only care if they go against OSU?

 

[Across The Field]

Where have I said the only reason UM lost is the officiating? I've said NUMEROUS times UM lost because of Speight. He doesn't cost the team 21 points -- there is no OT.

I even went as far as to say, I think some of the reason Harbaugh went off in the presser was to take some of the blame off his QB. If he hadn't done so -- Speight would have been center stage fielding question after question about the Int's and Fumble.

You saying this sort of crap is no different than OSU fans saying there were no bad penalty calls in the game.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I'm 32 years old. I've had my fair share of drinks in the last 13+ years, but I don't have Alzheimer's. It's not hard to forget one of the biggest plays from one of the biggest Buckeye games in my lifetime.

I was just giving you a hard time because you had just said you don't care one bit about bad calls and they happen every game. Trying to lighten the mood a bit.

 

[Lions=TeHsUcKs]

9-3 this year? Seriously? You guys started the year in the top 5, nobody expected that, especially after last year. You were the favorites in the conference this year in a lot of outlets.

You guys have talent but it's still young and inexperienced. And the WR recruits look to be even, even if you get DPJ. We also return two true freshmen who were ranked well ahead of anyone you guys brought in last year. Both incoming classes could be elite in terms of WR if you guys close.

That was probably the prediction if he didn't exceed the expectations of 7-5 his first year. Most people thought 7-5 then 9-3 when he was hired or 8-4, 8-4

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

You saying this sort of crap is no different than OSU fans saying there were no bad penalty calls in the game.

Saying what sort of crap?

 

[umichgradfan]

The only thing you posted that's true is that everybody needs to get a grip. To insinuate that OSU fans are "scared" of Harbaugh is laughable to put it mildly. In case you forgot, OSU had to replace 18 starters this year with very little starting experience, while michigan brought back one of the most experienced teams in the nation (over 50% seniors). What Meyer did this year is one of the more remarkable coaching jobs in the nation, and he's giving no signs of letting up any time soon.

Everything I posted is true, and you know it. In addition, don't pretend Meyer was working with 18 true freshmen this year to replace the players he lost. I do agree, though, that he has done a good job coaching these young players--maybe not COY good but good nonetheless. Meyer is a good coach and a good fit for Ohio State. Harbaugh is also a good coach and a good fit for Michigan. What you say would have a lot more credibility if you'd acknowledge that. This year he lost the battle, it's true, and you all can take your victory lap, but the war has just begun. Don't get so smug that you make the football gods angry and Ohio State loses "the game" for the next ten years.

 

[Lions=TeHsUcKs]

If you didn't care about bad calls -- why do you remember two bad calls from 13 years ago? Or do you only care if they go against OSU?

We are all homers. Some more than others.

 

[Across The Field]

I was just giving you a hard time because you had just said you don't care one bit about bad calls and they happen every game. Trying to lighten the mood a bit.

I don't care about them, but I don't forget them. I never forget.

 

[Across The Field]

That was probably the prediction if he didn't exceed the expectations of 7-5 his first year. Most people thought 7-5 then 9-3 when he was hired or 8-4, 8-4

I honestly don't know who was projecting 7-5 his first year (outside of people who were just trolling michigan fans to jab them after their initial euphoria when he was hired). He came into a good spot in terms of talent.

 

[Across The Field]

Saying what sort of crap?

Trying to act like Speight was the whole reason we had any of our points. Essentially giving no credit whatsoever to our defense, even though forcing INTs and turning them into points is something we do better than almost anyone in the nation.

 

[Lions=TeHsUcKs]

I honestly don't know who was projecting 7-5 his first year (outside of people who were just trolling michigan fans to jab them after their initial euphoria when he was hired). He came into a good spot in terms of talent.

Everyone here was. The narrative was that the recruits brought in were never developed and weak and we needed to basically clean house. Just look at how the team regressed under Hoke.

 

[Wamu]

Everything I posted is true, and you know it. In addition, don't pretend Meyer was working with 18 true freshmen this year to replace the players he lost. I do agree, though, that he has done a good job coaching these young players--maybe not COY good but good nonetheless. Meyer is a good coach and a good fit for Ohio State. Harbaugh is also a good coach and a good fit for Michigan. What you say would have a lot more credibility if you'd acknowledge that. This year he lost the battle, it's true, and you all can take your victory lap, but the war has just begun. Don't get so smug that you make the football gods angry and Ohio State loses "the game" for the next ten years.

Has anyone said Meyer's working w/ 18 true freshmen this year? One thing that's true though is Ohio State's the youngest P5 team in the country this year.

 

[umichgradfan]

I don't care about them, but I don't forget them. I never forget.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Michigan fans are never going to forget the fourth down call in this game either.

 

[Across The Field]

Everything I posted is true, and you know it. In addition, don't pretend Meyer was working with 18 true freshmen this year to replace the players he lost. I do agree, though, that he has done a good job coaching these young players--maybe not COY good but good nonetheless. Meyer is a good coach and a good fit for Ohio State. Harbaugh is also a good coach and a good fit for Michigan. What you say would have a lot more credibility if you'd acknowledge that. This year he lost the battle, it's true, and you all can take your victory lap, but the war has just begun. Don't get so smug that you make the football gods angry and Ohio State loses "the game" for the next ten years.

I've never once said anything to the contrary. Harbaugh is an excellent fit for michigan, and like most OSU fans I love where this rivalry is going. In fact, if you go back to last year, I defended his pre-michigan resume a lot. What he did at San Diego U, Stanford and San Fran is amazing, and he clearly has michigan back on the right track.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

At most, there were two calls that went OSU's way in this video. That video had some really ticky-tack shit. There should've been holding called on Lattimore on that one play, but targeting on Hooker? Seriously? Also Wilson's first down should've been spotted at the 14.5 yard line, not the 15.

If this is what you need to hang your hat on as a michigan fan, then frankly your team isn't as good as you thought.

You claim the OSU/Penn State game does not count.Because a blocked field goal is a "fluke" play. Yet the Michigan fans have a much more valid reasons to complain.And you get defensive. Seems legit