FIRE BEVELL

[flyerhawk]

And none of the Bevell haters can answer to the point that Pete and John continue to keep him and support him. If he is really as bad as you believe he is you MUST think those two are at fault and should be fired for being that incompetent. I mean you can't have the worst OC in all of the world and not blame the people who keep him employed for not being smarter.

Most of the people that attack coordinators think that the most important job of a coordinator is play calling. Setting up a strong game plan and making sure the offense executes that game plan are more important by a mile.

 

[chf]

And none of the Bevell haters can answer to the point that Pete and John continue to keep him and support him. If he is really as bad as you believe he is you MUST think those two are at fault and should be fired for being that incompetent. I mean you can't have the worst OC in all of the world and not blame the people who keep him employed for not being smarter.

Get your own material!

 

[WizardHawk]

Get your own material!

Oh I've brought that up many times and it's always ignored.

I honestly don't post on this topic with any hope of getting through to the folks dug into their bunker on this. My only goal is to at least give those on the fence or those who might be reading and starting to buy into this bullshit a chance to think before they fall to the dark side.

 

[chf]

i think the general defense isn't that they're incompetent, just so dang loyal.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

It was disproved WHO was responsible for the play and that's what this is all about. Why you people obsess over that play is beyond me. Move on.

I'm going to assume for a minute that you never played football and never coached it. I assume that because there are a LOT of things that go into running an offense that are outside of what actual play is called in which situation. And the general public has no tools to see inside of that. And at the pro level the amount of those calls that are on the QB are substantial. It goes well beyond what you might have seen in high school football.

I said you were guilty of knee jerk reactions and that is an example. Play goes bad, blame the caller. That's what the Bevell haters do. You don't see pundits that know football calling him out. You don't see educated media saying he's a cancer and needs to go. The noise is those who erroneously simply the game to every bad play equals bad OC and every successful play happens in spite of the bad OC.

And none of the Bevell haters can answer to the point that Pete and John continue to keep him and support him. If he is really as bad as you believe he is you MUST think those two are at fault and should be fired for being that incompetent. I mean you can't have the worst OC in all of the world and not blame the people who keep him employed for not being smarter.

Bevell absolutely made the call ... I already watched an interview and it was explained what he was trying to do... I don't expect Pete and John are gonna bash Bevell in the press regardless.. If a move is ever made it would be in the offseason... No changes are being made right now, so I will support him... But I still don't like him... OH and I don't blame the PLAY, I blame the call whether it's successful or not ... Even if we won that game on that slant route, I HATED the call... HATED the call with a passion ...

 

[WizardHawk]

Fuck man. You let one play wreck you. And Carroll took ownership of calling for the pass. More than once. Seriously, hanging on that isn't healthy.

 

[WizardHawk]

Wilson has only ever known one OC and he's just now reaching elite status. Anyone who wants to risk taking a step back with a compete change is crazy. No way. It isn't broke. Stop crying about fixing it.

 

[chf]

I don't expect Pete and John are gonna bash Bevell in the press regardless..

See, so dang loyal.

 

[Screamin12th]

with the Oline the Hawks have had for the past what 4 years. The fact that we have won a Superbowl and should have won a second should shut people up. Oh but they threw instead of running. Well yeah that one is on Pete like it or not, Bevell likes to run almost to a fault.

I use to be one of those that disliked Bevell before i actually "learned" something by watching the All 22 film. His Schemes work, his plays work, his Oline doesn't work lol. Can't blame him for Russ running for his lives or a 3rd and 15 and they go with a Draw play. Thats to protect their injured QB as teams normally send the house.

Those that want Bevell gone shouldn't cry to much. He will be soon as a team will snag him up for a HC job, if the Hawks offense continues to be a top 10 offense at the end of the year like they have been for some time now.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Bevell absolutely made the call ... I already watched an interview and it was explained what he was trying to do... I don't expect Pete and John are gonna bash Bevell in the press regardless.. If a move is ever made it would be in the offseason... No changes are being made right now, so I will support him... But I still don't like him... OH and I don't blame the PLAY, I blame the call whether it's successful or not ... Even if we won that game on that slant route, I HATED the call... HATED the call with a passion ...

Yes you hate that call simply because it doesn't follow your script of which plays should be run when. Other here do the same, except they have different plays in their script. Then they get on the forum and pound the table because their script wasn't follow. So predictable, so ego driven. You all think you know better then a coaching staff that is one of the best in the NFL.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Keeping in mind this is the "cheapest" O Line in the NFL and while there's a LOT of room for improvement, Bevell is doing a damn fine job!

 

[MKHawk]

Bevell absolutely made the call ... I already watched an interview and it was explained what he was trying to do... I don't expect Pete and John are gonna bash Bevell in the press regardless.. If a move is ever made it would be in the offseason... No changes are being made right now, so I will support him... But I still don't like him... OH and I don't blame the PLAY, I blame the call whether it's successful or not ... Even if we won that game on that slant route, I HATED the call... HATED the call with a passion ...

Fuck man. You let one play wreck you. And Carroll took ownership of calling for the pass. More than once. Seriously, hanging on that isn't healthy.

with the Oline the Hawks have had for the past what 4 years. The fact that we have won a Superbowl and should have won a second should shut people up. Oh but they threw instead of running. Well yeah that one is on Pete like it or not, Bevell likes to run almost to a fault.

I use to be one of those that disliked Bevell before i actually "learned" something by watching the All 22 film. His Schemes work, his plays work, his Oline doesn't work lol. Can't blame him for Russ running for his lives or a 3rd and 15 and they go with a Draw play. Thats to protect their injured QB as teams normally send the house.

Those that want Bevell gone shouldn't cry to much. He will be soon as a team will snag him up for a HC job, if the Hawks offense continues to be a top 10 offense at the end of the year like they have been for some time now.

It's getting hard to get work done when I have to continually sit on my hands here.

 

[WizardHawk]

It's getting hard to get work done when I have to continually sit on my hands here.

Meh, then don't. All good if you don't agree with anything. Still blows my mind that so many are at least using that ONE play as their entire crutch for hatred of an OC that has led arguably the best offense this team has ever seen. I really don't care if he is to 'blame' or not on that ONE play. He's clearly not the cancer some vocal members want to paint him as. It's more the global point.

We are now seeing this offense jump into another gear with Graham and Wilson finally getting on the same page. That's not play calling or even game planning and it's not an I told you so or why weren't they doing this earlier kind of thing. It took time for Wilson to get his timing with him and TRUST he will go get that ball. The shift has been with him, not the coaching staff. But even now people STILL want Bevell gone despite what they have brewing and I am simply baffled by it. Dumbfounded.

 

[chf]

It's getting hard to get work done when I have to continually sit on my hands here.

I know right?

 

[chf]

I am simply baffled by it. Dumbfounded.

You're really not though.

It reminds me of the 9er boards and their hatred of all things Greg Roman. The only thing that was keeping Kaep from being all world was Greg Roman. Etc, etc, etc.

 

[Screamin12th]

The pass turned INT from the 2 makes total sense if you just look at what the Hawks were trying to do. It was 2nd down and time was running out with only 1 Time out left. Thats the BIG KEY, ONE TIME OUT LEFT! if they run and get stopped they are forced to call a timeout. Now it's 3rd down with 2 more chances at the endzone but now the ONLY option is to pass. THE ONLY OPTION! When a offense faces only ONE OPTION the defense can sell out making it SO MUCH harder on said offense. By throwing the pass there they save the TO if incomplete and still have the option to run on 3rd down if they wanted to. This would allow them to also run on 4th down IF THEY WANTED to.

So in Short it opened up the option for run/pass on every down after that where is had they ran and NOT scored they would have only the pass as a option. The Coaching staff just came out of a timeout and had DISCUSSED this and they know a HELL OF A LOT MORE than you arm chair GM's that more often than not show you know VERY LITTLE.

LMAO!

The INT hurts yes but you have to pat Butler on the back and say AWESOME play because he sold out to make that INT. That was a great play by him. Sad so many want to take that away because of ignorance or pride. Lockette had he caught that might have been the MVP, to bad he didn't get that now that he is out of the NFL.

Also remember the Hawks had a 14 point lead in the 4th, start pointing some of those fingers at the defense.

 

[chf]

Here's a question for the Bevell critics - because I hear a LOT of 'I'd still hate that call even if it scored a TD and we won our second Lombardi!'

The Wilson throw from his own goal line, where he drops it from the clouds past decent coverage, to Graham.
Why does no-one hate Bevell for that call?

That call was fucking risky. Given the score, and our D, WTF is Bevell doing calling a deep pass with Russ's heels in his own endzone?

Wonky ankle, bum knee, doesn't get enough on that throw, and it's picked, and NY get the ball in Seattle territory with the chance to go up 10-0 at home. OR, the Jets solid D line sacks Russ for the safety, and re-injures his ankle, and The jets get the ball with a chance to go up 12-0.

Why isn't that a TERRIBLE call? Why don't we all HATE that call despite the good outcome?

Because we ALL only second guess on hindsight.

Because Bevell TRUSTED his burgeoning all-pro, top five QB to make a great play, and he made a great play.

Which was (apologies for breaking my promise), why he TRUSTED him to complete a slant vs stacked run coverage for our second Lombardi.

Sadly, Butler made an all-world play. Garrett McIntyre did not.

 

[flyerhawk]

Or the pass call at the end of the 1st half of that Super Bowl. Pretty risky move there. We get no points on that drive and the game may have been over. But no one criticizes Bevell for that call. Why? Because it worked.

I don't believe any fans that say that they would be critical of any play that worked.

 

[Screamin12th]

Whats also funny is Holmgren was the most obvious play caller in the NFL when he Coached the Hawks. I bet 90% of us knew what he was calling 90% of the time yet no one complained about him till the team was so depleted of talent from TR that they were not winning. Knowing whats coming is worse than making head scratcher calls. If we know the defense also knows with out a doubt.

The Pass play caught so many off guard that they were shocked then disgusted with the outcome. Belicheat said also that it was the right call based on what the situation was. Yes he won so you think he says that because of that fact but no matter HOW you try and look at it, it was the right call. Marshawn wouldn't have got into the endzone in my eyes had they run, He was handed the ball at the 1 five times in 2014, getting into the end zone just once, a 20 percent success rate well short of the league average of 57.5 percent. He was never really good from the 1 or when needing 1 yard on a play ( know your players ). Yes he broke a lot of tackles and made some crazy runs but he was never good at the short yardage plays, i think that had more to do with the oline that would get blown up on 3rd and short when everyone and their neighbor new the Hawks would try to run beastmode.

 

[WizardHawk]

It seems my work is done here now.

Carry on.