Top 10 players of all time

[Shaqdaddy11]

Now I know you're just a hater, with the way you argue. #kid

Your weird little infatuation with lebron still doesn't make him a top 5 player

 

[CodeBreaker]

Your weird little infatuation with lebron still doesn't make him a top 5 player

Call it whatever you like, infatuation, etc. and I'm not even a big lebron fan. I'm just being objective here and clearly you can't because you're blinded by too much hatred and insecurity.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Call it whatever you like, infatuation, etc. and I'm not even a big lebron fan. I'm just being objective here and clearly you can't because you're blinded by too much hatred and insecurity.

So where would you put lebron?

 

[tlance]

So where would you put lebron?

Just in case anybody missed this, the thread was from 2013. There were 2 people who posted their list recently. All the old lists came before LeBron accomplished anything in Cleveland. At that time, he was a fringe top 10 player.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Just in case anybody missed this, the thread was from 2013. There were 2 people who posted their list recently. All the old lists came before LeBron accomplished anything in Cleveland. At that time, he was a fringe top 10 player.

I am well aware of the date on the OP. I wasn't wondering where he, or you, would put lebron in 2013, I'm asking where you place lebron NOW.

 

[WiggyRuss]

4 league MVP's, 3 titles, 3 Finals MVP's, countless All-NBA teams- and he is only 31 years old.

Before all is said and done LeBron is a lock at #2....right now I dont know how you could possibly keep him out of a top 7.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

4 league MVP's, 3 titles, 3 Finals MVP's, countless All-NBA teams- and he is only 31 years old.

Before all is said and done LeBron is a lock at #2....right now I dont know how you could possibly keep him out of a top 7.

And a losing record in the finals, so...

 

[tlance]

And a losing record in the finals, so...

This conversation has been played out. Stop bringing it up.

 

[tlance]

4 league MVP's, 3 titles, 3 Finals MVP's, countless All-NBA teams- and he is only 31 years old.

Before all is said and done LeBron is a lock at #2....right now I dont know how you could possibly keep him out of a top 7.

I think you can make a case for him at 2 right now. Still had a ways to go to be in the conversation with MJ, but he is right there with Magic and Kareem, IMO.

Personally, I think;

Kareem 2
LeBron 3
Magic 4

But those are super close and really interchangeable.

 

[WiggyRuss]

This conversation has been played out. Stop bringing it up.

yah that argument is ridiculous- what is it better to lose in the Conference Finals? lol.


I think the truly amazing thing we will all look back on LeBron's run- is that- knock on wood- is how consistently great he is.

Jordan had years where he had injuries and of course the retirement. Kobe had years in LA where the team was not good at all- the Smush years- and dealt with injuries...

LeBron - knock on wood- rarely ever gets hurt which and he has played on such a high level for such a long time in a way that no one else in the even semi-modern NBA has achieved.

I mean- right now he has gone to 6 straight Finals. Before all is said and done I think that will be AT LEAST 8. He might make the Finals 10+ times in his career. That is truly insane to think about- and to think that he will have been hands down the leader and best player on all those teams.

No one that has come before or since- outside of Bill Russell playing against 12 teams has been this consistently great for this long.

EVERYONE recharges their battery and has an off year here or there or takes time off or gets hurt....

LeBron just keeps chugging along playing 100 game seasons and dominating. Its truly crazy to see.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I think you can make a case for him at 2 right now. Still had a ways to go to be in the conversation with MJ, but he is right there with Magic and Kareem, IMO.

Personally, I think;

Kareem 2
LeBron 3
Magic 4

But those are super close and really interchangeable.

oh yah you can certainly make the case.....3 finals MVPs in this modern era is pretty insane

 

[tlance]

yah that argument is ridiculous- what is it better to lose in the Conference Finals? lol.


I think the truly amazing thing we will all look back on LeBron's run- is that- knock on wood- is how consistently great he is.

Jordan had years where he had injuries and of course the retirement. Kobe had years in LA where the team was not good at all- the Smush years- and dealt with injuries...

LeBron - knock on wood- rarely ever gets hurt which and he has played on such a high level for such a long time in a way that no one else in the even semi-modern NBA has achieved.

I mean- right now he has gone to 6 straight Finals. Before all is said and done I think that will be AT LEAST 8. He might make the Finals 10+ times in his career. That is truly insane to think about- and to think that he will have been hands down the leader and best player on all those teams.

No one that has come before or since- outside of Bill Russell playing against 12 teams has been this consistently great for this long.

EVERYONE recharges their battery and has an off year here or there or takes time off or gets hurt....

LeBron just keeps chugging along playing 100 game seasons and dominating. Its truly crazy to see.

Last season cemented him near the top for me. You know my feelings about Kyrie. I don't think anybody has ever beaten a team better than the 2016 Warriors and I also don't think LeBron's surrounding talent is quite as good as others believe. There has never been a more impressive title run in the history of basketball in terms of what it did for LeBron's individual legacy.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I think you can make a case for him at 2 right now. Still had a ways to go to be in the conversation with MJ, but he is right there with Magic and Kareem, IMO.

Personally, I think;

Kareem 2
LeBron 3
Magic 4

But those are super close and really interchangeable.

Anyone who thinks lebron is better than Magic clearly knows nothing about basketball.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

yah that argument is ridiculous- what is it better to lose in the Conference Finals? lol.

No, it's better to win the Finals. But lebron seems to be struggling with that.

 

[tlance]

Anyone who thinks lebron is better than Magic clearly knows nothing about basketball.

If you say so.

I get people will disagree with that. I said I think they are interchangeable.

Ranking him 9-10 is a hell of a lot worse than ranking him ahead of Magic. LeBron is basically the modern version and he is bigger, faster and stronger.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

If you say so.

I get people will disagree with that. I said I think they are interchangeable.

Ranking him 9-10 is a hell of a lot worse than ranking him ahead of Magic. LeBron is basically the modern version and he is bigger, faster and stronger.

No. If you were around to see him play in the 80s you'd know that no way is he better than Magic and Kareem. He's probably not up to Larry Bird yet.

But I get it, you millennials have probably only seen a handful of stars so lebron has to be up there

 

[tlance]

No. If you were around to see him play in the 80s you'd know that no way is he better than Magic and Kareem. He's probably not up to Larry Bird yet.

But I get it, you millennials have probably only seen a handful of stars so lebron has to be up there

I am not a millennial. But go ahead and keep making assumptions. You can disagree with my opinion, but you questioning my basketball knowledge is absolutely hilarious. Everyone here knows who the knowledgeable poster is between you and I.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Everyone here knows who the knowledgeable poster is between you and I.

And i'm sure that everyone else with their lips attached to lebrons ball-sack will agree with you.

 

[trojanfan12]

Just in case anybody missed this, the thread was from 2013. There were 2 people who posted their list recently. All the old lists came before LeBron accomplished anything in Cleveland. At that time, he was a fringe top 10 player.

This past season does elevate him higher into the top 10, but not all the way to 3rd. No "extra credit" because it was Cleveland.

You can argue against championships all you want, but the fact is, championships are the tiebreaker that pretty much everyone (including the all time greats themselves) uses. Lebron only has 3 and he has a losing record in the finals. He's the only one anywhere close to the GOAT conversation that does.

And before anyone says Wilt and The Logo have losing records in the finals, they are not in the GOAT conversation.

For me, Lebron sits behind MJ, Kareem and Magic. If he gets another title or 2, then he becomes interchangeable with Kareem and Magic.

MJ is pretty much unreachable for anyone.

 

[tlance]

And i'm sure that everyone else with their lips attached to lebrons ball-sack will agree with you.

This past season does elevate him higher into the top 10, but not all the way to 3rd. No "extra credit" because it was Cleveland.

You can argue against championships all you want, but the fact is, championships are the tiebreaker that pretty much everyone (including the all time greats themselves) uses. Lebron only has 3 and he has a losing record in the finals. He's the only one anywhere close to the GOAT conversation that does.

And before anyone says Wilt and The Logo have losing records in the finals, they are not in the GOAT conversation.

For me, Lebron sits behind MJ, Kareem and Magic. If he gets another title or 2, then he becomes interchangeable with Kareem and Magic.

MJ is pretty much unreachable for anyone.

You and I will never agree on the Championship/Finals record deal. That is all good. That being said, it sounds like you are putting LeBron at 4, which I can't argue with. I think he is closer to Kareem and Magic than you do, but as has been established, we each place different values on what is most important in the discussion. I can accept that and I am not really interested in rehashing those reasons.

I don't think LeBron deserves extra credit because he won in Cleveland. I think he deserves extra credit for beating a great team with a supporting cast that might not have made the playoffs without LeBron on the roster.

When I see LeBron ranked much lower than 5, I have no choice but to question the methodology. The most likely case for any that come to that conclusion is bias. There is still a lot of LeBron hate out there.