Joey Bosa...not signed, which side do you fall?

[Broncos6482]

Maybe. Or maybe they'll realize that's why they got screwed last time.

Like the time before that? Or the time before that? The last time the players tried a strike, it was a disaster. Guys crossed the line to play football. Do you think the bottom of the roster guys are willing to risk what may be their only shot? Do you think the vast majority of players who have never been in trouble care about Goodell's discipline power? Because I don't think they do.

 

[Manster7588]

Oh I think it will be like we saw with this last CBA agreement. They will fight it out for a long time but when actual pay checks are being threatened that is the ultimate trump card the NFL Owners have. Most players in the NFL are not making enough to be able to sit out a year or at least haven't saved up enough to handle that. So when those type of players have the majority of the vote then it usually gets done. The super star players that can weather a season are not as numerous as one might think.

Big problem is enough of theses idiots make plenty of money, but they still live paycheck to paycheck, so they can't sustain a strike.

 

[cdumler7]

Big problem is enough of theses idiots make plenty of money, but they still live paycheck to paycheck, so they can't sustain a strike.

That is what I mean. They unfortunately are people who have not been taught financial intelligence. They see a $10 million contract and decide to go buy a $2 million home, $1 million car, another $2 million in jewelry/clothes, and then spend a bunch on family and friends all before the first pay check is even in their hands.

Heck was just looking at a story of Tyron Smith of the Cowboys where he finally had to put a restraining order on his own family because they were working so hard to take all of his money. His parents spent something like $1 million his rookie year. Thankfully he cut that all off and is in a pretty good financial situation but not every player can get it stopped like he did or even knows it is going on as bad as it is. Trent Richardson just said this past week that his family and friends spent $1.6 million this past year from his bank account that he had no clue they had spent.

 

[NinerSickness]

I tend to side with the player.

Lots of people have this mindset, and it's a stupid one. It's called negotiating. There is no right or wrong side to it; they BOTH have to come to an agreement, and they will. That's why people blaming one side for the CBA delay was dumb.

This is a non-story the NFL media curculates over & over again in the offseason to get everyone riled up about football, and it works. It's happened just about every year since I was a kid.

 

[Manster7588]

That is what I mean. They unfortunately are people who have not been taught financial intelligence. They see a $10 million contract and decide to go buy a $2 million home, $1 million car, another $2 million in jewelry/clothes, and then spend a bunch on family and friends all before the first pay check is even in their hands.

Heck was just looking at a story of Tyron Smith of the Cowboys where he finally had to put a restraining order on his own family because they were working so hard to take all of his money. His parents spent something like $1 million his rookie year. Thankfully he cut that all off and is in a pretty good financial situation but not every player can get it stopped like he did or even knows it is going on as bad as it is. Trent Richardson just said this past week that his family and friends spent $1.6 million this past year from his bank account that he had no clue they had spent.

I applauded Smith for the stance he took. I have no sympathy for pro sports players crying about being bankrupt 3 years put of the league. Living for today has some validity to it, but there has to be some reasonable thinking along the way.

 

[cdumler7]

I applauded Smith for the stance he took. I have no sympathy for pro sports players crying about being bankrupt 3 years put of the league. Living for today has some validity to it, but there has to be some reasonable thinking along the way.

I agree...Hate that Smith had to do that. I would hope the people in my life if I happened into that type of money wouldn't expect anything but you know there would be people that would. I would have been like him of being willing to pay off my parent's debt as they did raise me and it is a nice thank you to them. Beyond that though I would say being out of debt is plenty in today's culture.

And I guess it depends on the athlete. Those that don't make a whole lot it makes sense especially if medical bills start adding up because of injuries to see them go bankrupt. Those that make millions upon millions though yeah that is on them. Then you have those that have babies upon babies with multiple women and then owe ridiculous amounts in child support again that is on them.

 

[night]

After reading more into this...(thanks to a link from Bronco6482) yeah, the Chargers are being cheap skates, but if offset language is a standard in rookie contracts (and it appears to be) and it's sort of an unwritten rule to remove it for top 5 picks...I would support the team if their MO is they don't remove it. Crappy way of doing biz imo, but they should have the right to run in it a crappy fashion.

IDT Rivers had it removed either...if that's true, I don't expect them to remove it for Bosa.

The main difference here is that the Chargers are involved in a business that has profit sharing. Diverging from industry standard should at the bare minimum have adequate reasoning behind it. It doesn't seem like that is the case with Bosa.

 

[wazzu31]

Oh I think it will be like we saw with this last CBA agreement. They will fight it out for a long time but when actual pay checks are being threatened that is the ultimate trump card the NFL Owners have. Most players in the NFL are not making enough to be able to sit out a year or at least haven't saved up enough to handle that. So when those type of players have the majority of the vote then it usually gets done. The super star players that can weather a season are not as numerous as one might think.

Hence, the strike not waiting until a lockout. A strike gives the players the leverage, sure they won't make as much money but the NFLPA is suppose to save money to give to their members while they are striking. As long as Goodell is the commissioner the owners will get zero sympathy as basically every pro league has from strikes or lockouts. Of all of the pro sports league, the NFL players should be getting paid the most with guaranteed money, maybe negotiate on the length but they should be fully guaranteed or the rules of escrow and length be stripped. Smith needs to go, and hopefully the new leadership will be ruthless but on the same hand give a lending hand to the guys making the minimum to keep them giving in like last time.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Hence, the strike not waiting until a lockout. A strike gives the players the leverage, sure they won't make as much money but the NFLPA is suppose to save money to give to their members while they are striking. As long as Goodell is the commissioner the owners will get zero sympathy as basically every pro league has from strikes or lockouts. Of all of the pro sports league, the NFL players should be getting paid the most with guaranteed money, maybe negotiate on the length but they should be fully guaranteed or the rules of escrow and length be stripped. Smith needs to go, and hopefully the new leadership will be ruthless but on the same hand give a lending hand to the guys making the minimum to keep them giving in like last time.

I think the key point there in bold is guaranteed money...the NFL players collectively make more than any other professional league. $11.8 bil with a 50/50 split compared to $8.6 bil for MLB 57/43 split to the owner and $4.7 bil NBA 50/50 split. But, when you divide that split over the 53 man roster they don't have the highest average per player...that belongs to the NBA.

The NFL has the most disparity from the top paid players to the lowest...and there are more layers making less than a million dollars than those that make 7 figures. The rank-n-file out number the star players by a great margin. That's why they will never be able to stand strong long enough in a strike situation to gain any significant ground on the owners.

Bottomline...while I still think the ability to release a player makes for a competitive league, all pro league contracts should be guaranteed on some level.

 

[seattlefan75]

I feel kinda bad for charger fans their management has been ruining their team letting players go or trading them because they didnt want to pay them I still dont see the point in departing with vincent jackson he was still a very good WR for the next 3 seasons with the bucs after the him leaving.

 

[Oldschool739]

If Bosa gets cut. Is he still bound by the rookie wage scale? Or can teams go as high as they want trying to sign him? This could be very interesting. I don't think he gets cut just throwing this out there.

I wonder if they can just trade him ?

 

[Manster7588]

I wonder if they can just trade him ?

They can trade his rights. What they get in return is the question.

 

[Oldschool739]

They can trade his rights. What they get in return is the question.

Man, if they let that guy get away, they should be pistol whipped....I was hoping he fell to the Ravens but I'm happy with our picks this yr.....I'm sure they would have a phone jam if they wanted to trade him though...

 

[LambeauLegs]

Joey Bosa's mom: 'I wish we pulled an Eli Manning'

 

[cdumler7]

From what I have read Joey Bosa's camp made it very clear what they were seeking contract wise before the draft even happened. It doesn't sound like he was asking for just the normal from what I read and there was talk that he could slip just because of what he was demanding in his contract.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

From what I have read Joey Bosa's camp made it very clear what they were seeking contract wise before the draft even happened. It doesn't sound like he was asking for just the normal from what I read and there was talk that he could slip just because of what he was demanding in his contract.

That's interesting. Different (even diametrically opposed) to what I have read so far.

 

[cdumler7]

That's interesting. Different (even diametrically opposed) to what I have read so far.

Well I usually wouldn't read too much into these kind of things but the guy who said it is a guy that is rarely wrong and honestly does have a lot of inside info. So just have to see.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Man, if they let that guy get away, they should be pistol whipped....I was hoping he fell to the Ravens but I'm happy with our picks this yr.....I'm sure they would have a phone jam if they wanted to trade him though...

Kind of disagree in a way. While you don't want to lose your #1 draft pick because of something avoidable; I personally never felt he was worth that pick to begin with. I just don't see him being a game changer on defense, and with that pick you have to be a legit game changer. I think he's going to have a nice career and do some good things I'm not saying he'll be a bust by any means, but I just don't see him being a top tier DL/DE.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Full on dumpster fire now, either side isn't gonna look good. Bosa already had critics saying he wasn't top 5 material and of course the Chargers history, (Bosa mom dug out of the closet) just makes them look even more foolish....

 

[wazzu31]

I think the key point there in bold is guaranteed money...the NFL players collectively make more than any other professional league. $11.8 bil with a 50/50 split compared to $8.6 bil for MLB 57/43 split to the owner and $4.7 bil NBA 50/50 split. But, when you divide that split over the 53 man roster they don't have the highest average per player...that belongs to the NBA.

The NFL has the most disparity from the top paid players to the lowest...and there are more layers making less than a million dollars than those that make 7 figures. The rank-n-file out number the star players by a great margin. That's why they will never be able to stand strong long enough in a strike situation to gain any significant ground on the owners.

Bottomline...while I still think the ability to release a player makes for a competitive league, all pro league contracts should be guaranteed on some level.

I'm not against owners/people being able to protect themselves but I think it is a travesty that A. The actual contract that is negotiated hardly ever gets completed even when a player performs well. B. How the NFLPA is so horribly run now.

I love baseball and the MLBPA is way too strong but the NFLPA is too weak, especially considering the differences between football, basketball and baseball. I think the current cap is jacked up too as it should be more like the NBA's and the players deserve a 60/40 split. The sport makes more than enough for owners to take less of the pie, as opposed to the other leagues.

And yes a strike is nearly impossible unless some of the older guys actual help the younger guys. But the NFL is basically the perfect model of a business to keep a union weak and too me that's not how they should be able to skate around the Supreme courts ruling of sports league are not deemed monopolies.