And Sammy Boy wants traded

[eaglesnut]

But here on planet Earth, I am thinking he gets hurt or benched by about week 12 as we go 8-8.

8-4 with Sam, 0-4 without?

 

[eaglesnut]

If you listen to people like ESP, Mark Eckel and Jimmy Kempski, they'll tell you the unvarnished truth.

Mark Eckel is a racist and a liar. He probably doesn't like the Redskins either because they don't have a black QB.

 

[eaglesnut]

Come on Enut.....let's not get stupid. You know as well as anyone here that is what he has been saying. He wanted guarantees that he was going to be the guy going forward.

He wanted a chance to compete for a Super Bowl just like most other NFL players. Why would you assume differently? It's harder to compete when you don't add top level talent in the first two rounds and everyone else does.

 

[PhillyGreen]

He wanted a chance to compete for a Super Bowl just like most other NFL players. Why would you assume differently? It's harder to compete when you don't add top level talent in the first two rounds and everyone else does.

That is bullshit. He said nothing even remotely close to that. He complained about wanting to have guarantees about being the QB of the future. When he demanded to be traded I don't recall anyone saying he wanted to go to a contender. He overvalued himself.

 

[eaglesnut]

That is bullshit. He said nothing even remotely close to that. He complained about wanting to have guarantees about being the QB of the future. When he demanded to be traded I don't recall anyone saying he wanted to go to a contender. He overvalued himself.

Again where are you hearing this? Why would he want to be a lame duck on a team that wasn't trying to win during those years? He objected to that and for good reason.

 

[redskinsfan]

Uhh that's a cool story bro. You have your opinion, I have mine. You're a redskins fan, I'm an eagles fan. I think my team is better than yours, I'm sure you really disagree. It's all opinions at this point, and we'll have to let the season speak for itself. I doubt either of our teams does any damage if they make it to the playoffs regardless.

You're right, these are opinions. But I'd submit mine are more objectively based than yours. If you doubt this, listen to people like Ray Didinger, a Hall of Famer and true blue Philly fan. Is he wrong too?

 

[redskinsfan]

A lot of folks talking up the Cowboys right now... but folks seem to ignore their problems on defense.

At this point, the Cowboys appear to have the worst defense in the division. They better hope they possess the ball for 40 minutes a game or whatever, because sucking at defense is not a recipe for success.

I think you're underestimating the Cowboys when you say that, and this is coming from a Redskins fan. The Cowboys also had a wobbly defense two years ago. They were able to mask those deficiencies with a superlative running game that ate the up the clock and kept that defense off the field for large periods of time. A healthy Romo did more than complement that running game by efficiently distributing the ball to Bryant, Witten, Williams and other receivers. Having said this, if Romo goes down again, the Cowboys have to rely on Kellen Moore. If that happens for an extended period of time, they'll be cooked.

 

[redskinsfan]

Mark Eckel is a racist and a liar. He probably doesn't like the Redskins either because they don't have a black QB.

What about ESP and Kempski? And how about others like Ray Didinger? My brief canvassing of Philly sports commentators all seem to say that Philly is due for a down year this season. The most optimistic of them has them going 8-8, other than some yoyos like Mike Missanelli.

 

[redskinsfan]

Again where are you hearing this? Why would he want to be a lame duck on a team that wasn't trying to win during those years? He objected to that and for good reason.

Unless something dramatically changes for the better regarding Sam, you guys are much better without him than with him. One telling thing, among many others, is his refusal to disavow Tom Condon's prior statements, including the fact that there's no real competition in Philly and the view that Philly fans will start booing him the second he makes a mistake. Talk about throwing Philly fans under the bus. He should've arrived yesterday and apologized for those statements, especially to the fans, and taken questions personally.

One question I'd love to him to answer is whether he'd be willing to mentor Wentz this year.

Little known fact: Bradford has averaged $1M a TD pass in his career.

 

[redskinsfan]

Your o-line only got crappier, starting with Jason Peters, who should do all Eagles fans a favor and retire. You've got a huge question mark in Kelce: is he really the guy who tanked last year or the guy who played so well before? Your guards (even Brandon Brooks) are big question marks too. Your receivers scare no one and neither do your running backs. The best skill position player you've got now is Zach Ertz, whom you overpaid (though some of your youngsters may step up). And then there's Sam. Enough said.

Your front seven, in general, is very good. But your CBs suck, although Malcolm Jenkins is a gamer. Leodis McKelvin? Really? Is EJ Biggers still with you guys? He got cut from a woeful Redskins secondary last year. If the Redskins pass block for Cousins the way they did last year, the Redskins will torch that secondary. This is not to say the Redskins don't have holes and question marks. They sure do. But not nearly as much as Philly. And that's why I and other Philly beat guys (e.g., ESP) think the Eagles are going to finish last.

But things can change fast, for better and/or worst. You better hope that Daniel (or Wentz) doesn't start for you guys for an extended period of time this year. One guy mocked the 2017 draft and projected the Browns to pick first and second overall next year. Not saying that he's right, but that's what a lot of folks are thinking, at least for now.

Is there a record for collecting BS icons? I'll say this: the views set forth in my quote aren't just mine alone. They're ones echoed by people like Ray Didinger. So, I guess you can pass along those icons to him too.

Peace, gentlemen.

 

[redskinsfan]

The Eagles?

Nah, no they don't. Y'all have a talented front 7 on defense. Talent is notably lacking almost everywhere else.

Pile on that new coaches, new systems, a soft/blah QB and a team that kinda gave up last year (as Wiz has reminded us a couple of times recently):





Seems just as likely that the team will give up again when the going gets tough as they will rally around Sam Bradford.

Where have I heard these points raised before? Preach, man.

 

[CSB]

What about ESP and Kempski? And how about others like Ray Didinger? My brief canvassing of Philly sports commentators all seem to say that Philly is due for a down year this season. The most optimistic of them has them going 8-8, other than some yoyos like Mike Missanelli.

How many of those guys predicted the Redskins to finish first last year? How many predicted the Eagles to finish first in Kelly's first year? Do these guys have any track record of correctly predicting the order of finish of the division? Or...do you just cite them now as they agree with you?

 

[dilbert719]

Again where are you hearing this? Why would he want to be a lame duck on a team that wasn't trying to win during those years? He objected to that and for good reason.

"Sam's only been in the league for six years and he wants to go some place and be there and know that he's going to stay as long as he plays well, and his situation now in Philadelphia is different," Condon told SiriusXM NFL Radio.

"Sam's a competitor and he wants to go some place and know he's the man. He just doesn't want to be there holding the place card and then wondering where's he's going to go at the end of the year."

"He doesn't view himself as somebody that's a stop-gap kind of quarterback and he wants to go some place and take a chance on (being) with a team with a long time," Condon said. "I can't blame him for that."

I'm not seeing the words "Super Bowl" in there.

Unless you're convinced, contrary to all logic, that Condon decided to explain everything in a completely different manner, rather than expressing Bradford's actual objection, this is exactly where we all heard it.

 

[eaglesnut]

What about ESP and Kempski? And how about others like Ray Didinger? My brief canvassing of Philly sports commentators all seem to say that Philly is due for a down year this season. The most optimistic of them has them going 8-8, other than some yoyos like Mike Missanelli.

WTF do they know?

 

[eaglesnut]

Unless something dramatically changes for the better regarding Sam, you guys are much better without him than with him. One telling thing, among many others, is his refusal to disavow Tom Condon's prior statements, including the fact that there's no real competition in Philly and the view that Philly fans will start booing him the second he makes a mistake. Talk about throwing Philly fans under the bus. He should've arrived yesterday and apologized for those statements, especially to the fans, and taken questions personally.

One question I'd love to him to answer is whether he'd be willing to mentor Wentz this year.

Little known fact: Bradford has averaged $1M a TD pass in his career.

He doesn't owe anyone shit. His arm can do the talking. It was another day at the office for Bradford yesterday. Making a big deal about offseason stuff is for writers, commentators, fans and other irrelevant people.

 

[Gman]

I think you're underestimating the Cowboys when you say that, and this is coming from a Redskins fan. The Cowboys also had a wobbly defense two years ago. They were able to mask those deficiencies with a superlative running game that ate the up the clock and kept that defense off the field for large periods of time. A healthy Romo did more than complement that running game by efficiently distributing the ball to Bryant, Witten, Williams and other receivers. Having said this, if Romo goes down again, the Cowboys have to rely on Kellen Moore. If that happens for an extended period of time, they'll be cooked.

Maybe I am underestimating them, we'll see... but Romo and Witten will be 2 years older than they were in 2014.

Within the division, defenses will be improved as well. Yes, the Cowboys look to have a fine running attack and a balanced overall offense (if healthy)... but all three of the Redskins, Giants and Eagles look to have strong front sevens and none are going to be easy to just push around.

 

[eaglesnut]

Is there a record for collecting BS icons? I'll say this: the views set forth in my quote aren't just mine alone. They're ones echoed by people like Ray Didinger. So, I guess you can pass along those icons to him too.

Peace, gentlemen.

Didinger has become an old grump mostly. Nice guy, no complaints about his character or his long history in the business, but he hasn't liked the regimes here since Reid so that's almost two decades now where he looks for the negatives instead of looking for the positives. His opinions follow what he is looking for.

 

[eaglesnut]

I'm not seeing the words "Super Bowl" in there.

Unless you're convinced, contrary to all logic, that Condon decided to explain everything in a completely different manner, rather than expressing Bradford's actual objection, this is exactly where we all heard it.

He was trying to get Sam traded, why would he eliminate all of the teams that aren't seen as contenders? Those are most of the teams that need QBs. The stuff you didn't bold says as much as the stuff you did bold. You're seeing what you want to see. He's still a young QB wanting a chance to prove himself to a franchise. Maybe no franchise wants to let him, but it's a fact that he can no longer do that here.

 

[eaglesnut]

Maybe I am underestimating them, we'll see... but Romo and Witten will be 2 years older than they were in 2014.

Within the division, defenses will be improved as well. Yes, the Cowboys look to have a fine running attack and a balanced overall offense (if healthy)... but all three of the Redskins, Giants and Eagles look to have strong front sevens and none are going to be easy to just push around.

The Cowboys will have a good run game that covers up other flaws, but ultimately that team blows. All their best players can't stay on the field.

It should be a good division if your guy can coach.

 

[dilbert719]

You're seeing what you want to see.

Why, hello there, pot! I'm a kettle.

Enut, the point being made was that Bradford wanted to be the guy. You claimed that wasn't why he wanted to be traded, and asked where people got the impression that he wanted to be the guy. I gave you concrete proof that he, through his agent, demanded to go somewhere he could be the guy. Now, somehow, I'm the one who's seeing what I want to see?

Let me try this again. Insofar as all players want to win a Super Bowl, sure, he wants that. However, the motivating factor for demanding a trade was his desire to be guaranteed the starting job. We know this, because HIS AGENT SAID SO PUBLICLY AND REPEATEDLY. Any other interpretation of the facts on the ground appears to be based on a desire to either a) give Bradford the benefit of the doubt in a circumstance where it was clearly not earned, b) blame Eagles management for doing their job (albeit inefficently), or c) argue for the sake of arguing. Which is it?