Anyone think that Chip Kelly ...

[Macho Grande]

What I got from your comment was that the sports guys in SAT need to stick with basketball

That sure would be nice.

 

[PDay8810]

Yes sir, that's the one! And thanks for pointing out that its been a popular topic in your forum for almost half a year now. Not sure how that's supposed to hurt my case that you guys might be a little obsessed about Chip and the Eagles, but thanks again anyway.

Walk Tall Champ!
I'm good with 6 months with all the news Chipper has made in those 6 months.
Obsessed was your word and it's still not accurate.
Look forward to the season.
Fly Eagles Fly

 

[jarntt]

Yes sir, that's the one! And thanks for pointing out that its been a popular topic in your forum for almost half a year now. Not sure how that's supposed to hurt my case that you guys might be a little obsessed about Chip and the Eagles, but thanks again anyway.

It was a huge off season story in the NFL on what the Eagles were doing with the team while everyone scratched their heads to try and figure out what Chip was up to so the thread began. Chip kept making decisions that some couldn't understand and thus, the thread continued. Of course a huge reason for the thread continuing even longer was that we have an Eagles fan that posts on the Cowboy board. So, yeah, we probably have more Eagle related posts than Redskins and Giants posts. But the smack talk thread is mostly Redskin crap and that's 112 pages. So are we infatuated with the eagles, but 10 times more infatuated with the Redskins? I'm not sure, but I know as a fan of a team in the NFC East that only has 4 teams, yes, I am aware of what the other teams are doing and find it interesting and pertinent. That is a long way from being obsessed, but you seem to have made your decision based more on an agenda, so I'm obviously not going to change your mind.

 

[Iggloo]

Let's just say we don't have a 10-page thread about Jason Garrett over in the Eagles forum.

 

[fordman84]

Let's just say we don't have a 10-page thread about Jason Garrett over in the Eagles forum.

Probably because JG doesn't make moves that makes everyone that follows football say "WTF?"

 

[Iggloo]

He only moves when Jerrah moves his arm:

 

[fordman84]

He only moves when Jerrah moves his arm:

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Whatever works, and it seems to have worked.

 

[eaglesnut]

I skipped 2013 because I have more recent examples to use.

That's hilarious. How do you claim that they would get tired in 2014 and 2015, but not 2013? Chip Kelly was the coach then and using his hurry up offense.

Your premise fails immediately when the data did not produce your expected results.

 

[Manster7588]

It's funny how scared Dallas fans are of Chip.

Laughing at the amount of injury concerns is not fear.

 

[fordman84]

That's hilarious. How do you claim that they would get tired in 2014 and 2015, but not 2013? Chip Kelly was the coach then and using his hurry up offense.

Your premise fails immediately when the data did not produce your expected results.

Same way LeBron wasn't tired his first few seasons, but slowed a bit in #4 after all that work, then #5, and so on. It's pretty simple. Chips system would be pretty good if there were no roster limits. But there are. And the longer his defensive players go, the more they get miles on them at a fast rate. There is a reason they talk about the wear and tear on players who consistently run deep into the playoffs. The Eagles don't have that exact problem, but they get a lot more wear on their defense because they are on the field more than any other team. By the end of last year, the most recent year, they couldn't even get out of their own way. Results speak for themselves.

My premise is spot on for anyone with a brain.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

The Patriots have been using it for a couple years now and they just won the Super Bowl.

It's not the same. Stop acting like it is.

 

[eaglesnut]

Same way LeBron wasn't tired his first few seasons, but slowed a bit in #4 after all that work, then #5, and so on. It's pretty simple. Chips system would be pretty good if there were no roster limits. But there are. And the longer his defensive players go, the more they get miles on them at a fast rate. There is a reason they talk about the wear and tear on players who consistently run deep into the playoffs. The Eagles don't have that exact problem, but they get a lot more wear on their defense because they are on the field more than any other team. By the end of last year, the most recent year, they couldn't even get out of their own way. Results speak for themselves.

My premise is spot on for anyone with a brain.

You are still talking out your ass, and your back pedal is shaky.

More facts for you. Connor Barwin had more sacks in the 2nd half of the year than the first half of the year in 2014. And he also had a lot more sacks in 2014 than 2013. The things you say continue to not be supported by the facts. Keep doubling down though. Way way down.

There's some more facts that don't support your position, but you've proven you'll ignore them so that you can carry on your with line of bullshit. You don't know much, but you talk a lot.

 

[eaglesnut]

It's not the same. Stop acting like it is.

You're right the Patriots were going even faster in 2013, yet they were still fresh enough in 2014 to win it all. Explain yourself fool, because the facts don't support your imagination.

 

[DutchBird]

Same way LeBron wasn't tired his first few seasons, but slowed a bit in #4 after all that work, then #5, and so on. It's pretty simple. Chips system would be pretty good if there were no roster limits. But there are. And the longer his defensive players go, the more they get miles on them at a fast rate. There is a reason they talk about the wear and tear on players who consistently run deep into the playoffs. The Eagles don't have that exact problem, but they get a lot more wear on their defense because they are on the field more than any other team. By the end of last year, the most recent year, they couldn't even get out of their own way. Results speak for themselves.

My premise is spot on for anyone with a brain.

Except there might be something that complicates that narrative:

By the end of the season, Fletcher (and to a lesser degree Allen and Williams) were falling apart, and shredded by opposing QB's. As the defensive system used by Davis is dependent on the DB's to be able to hold their own in coverage (most of the time), this meant that Davis had to abandon his scheme in favour of trying to limit the damage resulting from the failure of the secondary -> less pressure, less disruptive schemes up front -> more time for the QB to take the defense apart, and RB's to run.

So again, the failure of the defense by the end of the season might have far less to do with the defense being tired/exhausted and more with the secondary falling apart completely.

Also, just as the offense practices at this pace, so does the defense. Also, they play a lot of rotations and specific schemes, generally limiting the amount of snaps played by the majority of the defense.

 

[fordman84]

You are still talking out your ass, and your back pedal is shaky.

More facts for you. Connor Barwin had more sacks in the 2nd half of the year than the first half of the year in 2014. And he also had a lot more sacks in 2014 than 2013. The things you say continue to not be supported by the facts. Keep doubling down though. Way way down.

There's some more facts that don't support your position, but you've proven you'll ignore them so that you can carry on your with line of bullshit. You don't know much, but you talk a lot.

Your team couldn't win down the stretch. That's all the proof I need. Got off to a hot start, and then just sucked wind through December.

But you are right, a guy had better stats so I'm wrong...your defense could play the whole game and you would win because Chip says so.

 

[fordman84]

Except there might be something that complicates that narrative:

By the end of the season, Fletcher (and to a lesser degree Allen and Williams) were falling apart, and shredded by opposing QB's. As the defensive system used by Davis is dependent on the DB's to be able to hold their own in coverage (most of the time), this meant that Davis had to abandon his scheme in favour of trying to limit the damage resulting from the failure of the secondary -> less pressure, less disruptive schemes up front -> more time for the QB to take the defense apart, and RB's to run.

So again, the failure of the defense by the end of the season might have far less to do with the defense being tired/exhausted and more with the secondary falling apart completely.

Also, just as the offense practices at this pace, so does the defense. Also, they play a lot of rotations and specific schemes, generally limiting the amount of snaps played by the majority of the defense.

Yeah, they probably fell apart because they were rested and refreshed. Couldn't be because they were worn out. Nah, nothing to that. Athletes perform better when they have been out on the field more than anyone else.

 

[eaglesnut]

Your team couldn't win down the stretch. That's all the proof I need. Got off to a hot start, and then just sucked wind through December.

But you are right, a guy had better stats so I'm wrong...your defense could play the whole game and you would win because Chip says so.

I know. We pulled a Dallas.

You're wrong because you don't know the facts and you've ignored reality. No other reason.

 

[fordman84]

I know. We pulled a Dallas.

You're wrong because you don't know the facts and you've ignored reality. No other reason.

Dallas won in december. Remember, we were the team that passed you to take the division.

 

[handicappers]

You're right the Patriots were going even faster in 2013, yet they were still fresh enough in 2014 to win it all. Explain yourself fool, because the facts don't support your imagination.

You're the fool. You've been exposed as wrong in this thread and I like it.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

You're right the Patriots were going even faster in 2013, yet they were still fresh enough in 2014 to win it all. Explain yourself fool, because the facts don't support your imagination.

Let me get this straight.....

You tell met the Pateiots run the same offense.....
Then I say it's not the same....
Then you tell me I'm right...
Then then you say the Patriots were faster in 2013 (which is wrong the Eagles led the league again)
Then you call ME a fool?

The Eagles were dead last in TOP for both 2013 & 2014. And they were in good company. The other teams close to them in worst TOP are the Jags, Vikes, Browns, Bucks and Titans. A bunch of fucking powerhouses.

The Eagles make the playoffs in 2013 surprising teams with the fast break offense. They start off strong in 2014 but finish the season losing 3 of 4 crucial games missing the playoffs. OH yea, one of those losses were against the Skins in a must win game.

I'll just chalk this one up to you being a fucking retard.