The Big 12 needs to add two more schools.

[Hook'Em0608]

There is no reason to expand. Where is the Big 12 after guys like Patterson, Gundy, and Briles move on. The level of play is much higher than the programs in the league. Big 12 will end up being swallowed

Bingo! Our superior coaching is keeping us relevant. Snyder, Briles, Patterson, and Gundy made joke programs relevant and if they leave it's lights out for the depth of this league. It's fine for the time being, but the Big 12 isn't a long term home for any of us.

 

[tabascojet]

There is no reason to expand. Where is the Big 12 after guys like Patterson, Gundy, and Briles move on. The level of play is much higher than the programs in the league. Big 12 will end up being swallowed

wait til the big12 gets left at the alter again and get back to us....personally i hate 14 team leagues but to not even move to 12 is just stubborn. adding value can been done but you have to think above just adding football teams you think were great sometime in the last decade.

metro- tx, tcu, ok, kansas, cincy, usf, csu/tulane
heartland - txt, baylor, okst, ksu, wvu, ucf, isu

 

[Codaxx]

Bingo! Our superior coaching is keeping us relevant. Snyder, Briles, Patterson, and Gundy made joke programs relevant and if they leave it's lights out for the depth of this league. It's fine for the time being, but the Big 12 isn't a long term home for any of us.

Exactly. Big 12 does not have the markets or the assets to be viable in the longterm.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Exactly. Big 12 does not have the markets or the assets to be viable in the longterm.

Go ahead and just add Texas, Tech, OU and OSU to the PAC-16

 

[Hook'Em0608]

wait til the big12 gets left at the alter again and get back to us....personally i hate 14 team leagues but to not even move to 12 is just stubborn. adding value can been done but you have to think above just adding football teams you think were great sometime in the last decade.

metro- tx, tcu, ok, kansas, cincy, usf, csu/tulane
heartland - txt, baylor, okst, ksu, wvu, ucf, isu

None of those programs you added deliver the markets they are in. None of those programs force FOX and ESPN back to the negotiation table. All it would do is force is to divide the pot more ways. Eventually we lag behind in facilities and every thing else and we become the Big East. Considered a power conference, but nobody really thinks that. Baylor and TCU actually had people arguing on their behalf to get in the playoffs over Ohio St when they all had similar resumes. How is that a failure? Do you think Indiana would have been selected over Texas or Oklahoma??? This is a bunch of knee jerk BS.

 

[Codaxx]

wait til the big12 gets left at the alter again and get back to us....personally i hate 14 team leagues but to not even more to 12 is just stubborn. adding value can been done but you have to think above just adding football teams you think were great sometime in the last decade.

metro- tx, tcu, ok, kansas, cincy, usf, csu/tulane
heartland - txt, baylor, okst, ksu, wvu, ucf, isu

Les look at that this list:

Texas: legit asset
TCU/Baylor: small religious schools. Not particularly highly valued assets
Cincy: #2 school
USF: #3-4 school in Florida. Terrible asset
WVU: decent asset. #1 school in a small state
OkState: #2 school, in a small market
OU: legit
KSU: #2 in-State

Only Texas, OU, and Kansas are actually assets that other conferences would want

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Go ahead and just add Texas, Tech, OU and OSU to the PAC-16

You guys choose Colorado over the Pac 16 with Texas and Oklahoma. We wanted Baylor to replace A&M when they said no. Excellent choice.

 

[tabascojet]

None of those programs you added deliver the markets they are in. None of those programs force FOX and ESPN back to the negotiation table. All it would do is force is to divide the pot more ways. Eventually we lag behind in facilities and every thing else and we become the Big East. Considered a power conference, but nobody really thinks that. Baylor and TCU actually had people arguing on their behalf to get in the playoffs over Ohio St when they all had similar resumes. How is that a failure? Do you think Indiana would have been selected over Texas or Oklahoma??? This is a bunch of knee jerk BS.

standing pat changes nothing. you got to think big to see change. if you gave to opportunity to those schools i bet you would be surprised by what they could deliver. thinking of them as they are now as what they can only be in perpetuity is a narrow mindset IMO.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

You guys choose Colorado over the Pac 16 with Texas and Oklahoma. We wanted Baylor to replace A&M when they said no. Excellent choice.

Baylor will never join the PAC.

 

[tabascojet]

Les look at that this list:

Texas: legit asset
TCU/Baylor: small religious schools. Not particularly highly valued assets
Cincy: #2 school
USF: #3-4 school in Florida. Terrible asset
WVU: decent asset. #1 school in a small state
OkState: #2 school, in a small market
OU: legit
KSU: #2 in-State

Only Texas, OU, and Kansas are actually assets that other conferences would want

you know nothing of usf....top 20 in both enrollment and metro demographic

 

[Codaxx]

you know nothing of usf....top 20 in both enrollment and metro demographic

UCF has the highest enrollment in The state of Florida, does not make them a great asset. I can't see either USF or UCF having sustained success. Florida and Florida state are the jewels of Florida.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Baylor will never join the PAC.

Baylor would join whatever they are told to. You guys would rather have an inferior academic and athletic school because of religion. Dumb...

 

[Hook'Em0608]

standing pat changes nothing. you got to think big to see change. if you gave to opportunity to those schools i bet you would be surprised by what they could deliver. thinking of them as they are now as what they can only be in perpetuity is a narrow mindset IMO.

I get what you are saying, but I'm not buying it. Florida is tapped out in supporting successful football programs. They already do it better than anybody else. Can't get water from a dry well. Cincinnati might be able to do something. Ohio St has had that state to themselves long enough.

 

[Innermind]

standing pat changes nothing. you got to think big to see change. if you gave to opportunity to those schools i bet you would be surprised by what they could deliver. thinking of them as they are now as what they can only be in perpetuity is a narrow mindset IMO.

Exactly.

You can't worry about the current perceived strength of a potential candidate schools team. The strength of the new member's football prowess will come later.

The current pattern in college football is to increase a conferences geographic footprint. If the Big XII wishes to survive, they need to keep up with the Joneses by pushing it's footprint beyond the Great Plains.

West Virginia was a start. Now the Big XII needs to get WVU a travel partner....the Big XII cannot leave the Mountaineers all by themselves on an island out east......Cincinnati with their newly renovated Nippert stadium to be completed by next August would be a perfect companion member for WVU.

Getting back into the Colorado & Denver markets by adding Colorado State would be a smart move too. Just two days ago, the Colorado State University board unanimously approved a plan for brand new on campus stadium.

Colorado State board approves plans for on-campus stadium | FOX31 Denver

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Baylor would join whatever they are told to. You guys would rather have an inferior academic and athletic school because of religion. Dumb...

Let me rephrase. Baylor will never be INVITED to the PAC>

 

[Codaxx]

Let me rephrase. Baylor will never be INVITED to the PAC>

Correct. PAC hates Jesus

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Let me rephrase. Baylor will never be INVITED to the PAC>

I'm well aware, did you read the rest of my post?

 

[Hook'Em0608]

TCU and Baylor are light years better athletically than Colorado. And according to subjective academic ratings they are better there too. Way to take a stand politically about who your schools play in sports...

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

I'm well aware, did you read the rest of my post?

Hey, I think Baylor would be great...but I'm not some academic snob.

 

[longhorn718]

disagree youre not watering down the conference your beefing up the schedules with technically more P5 schools. if baylor had cincy on the schedule this year the cfp committee has less argument than buffalo. bamas win over kentucky count more than any orfinary ooc opponent would...hell this has been the exact anti-secers argument for years.

also think big12 would have to think outside the box in regards to divisions. simple east/west or north/south is not the answer.

I still have to disagree. While I understand that bringing in teams into the conference turns them into P5 teams by a technicality, it won't carry the same weight as if they had been P5 all along. I mean for pete's sake, you still have people calling out the Big12 because "a MWC" team is at the top. Also, someone else said it earlier - Baylor having Cincy on the schedule would just mean replacing a conference opponent and potentially a better one. How is that helping their SOS? Baylor's OOC would still suck, and their conf schedule could be weakened at the same time. Boo on that. Adding weak teams to the conference would not do anything to change the OOC arguments at all.

I am not completely against going back up to twelve, but I AM against doing it quickly with two schools that we normally wouldn't give the time of day. Again, there simply aren't two lights out candidates out there to make splitting up the revenue into smaller slices okay.