Nothing about Washington scandal yet?

[Wild Turkey]

Sark will take the hit, not UW....

That's not how it works.

 

[Ironbreaker]

That's not how it works.

That is how it works. Go read the post in the UW forum.

 

[7Samurai13]

That is how it works. Go read the post in the UW forum.

Take a look at Calipari in college basketball and see where the penalties fall.

 

[Ironbreaker]

Take a look at Calipari in college basketball and see where the penalties fall.

For Sarkisian, these violations would fall under the new head coach responsibility bylaws. Proposal 2012–15 was adopted with immediate effect by the Board of Directors on October 30, 2012. The payments are alleged to have occurred on or about February 25 and May 18, 2013. That means Sarkisian’s responsibility will be judged under the new bylaw which presumes he is responsible for any violation committed by his assistants. He can rebut that presumption by showing that he adequately monitored the activities of his assistants and promoted an atmosphere of compliance. While the NCAA had issued best practice documents about what that entails, no case has established what the Committee on Infractions says is enough to rebut the presumption of responsibility.


It's a new bylaw. So unless Sark can prove he had no idea, he is facing suspensions for at least a year, if anything is proven to be true.

UW might be on the hook for something minor, but right now this is looking a lot worse for Sarkisian.


Well, assuming further investigations don't show this to be the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Wild Turkey]

That is how it works. Go read the post in the UW forum.

Ok I read it and I will state that I do not understand the 4 tier system because I haven't read the supporting documentation.

However from what I read it looks like Sark will not be able to switch schools without this following him (that is good and will stop some of this crap) however it doesn't absolve UW of issues or sanctions. Looks like to me the NCAA could nail both.

I could be wrong but the new regs don't just punish the coach and keep the school innocent of any violations.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Take a look at Calipari in college basketball and see where the penalties fall.

Here's the one and only "trump card" UW is holding..

Mark Emmert NCAA god, came from the University of Washington, he was the other half that Hired Sark at UW..


UW will get the famous "slap on the wrist" and Sark will be given some kind of suspension...

 

[Ironbreaker]

Ok I read it and I will state that I do not understand the 4 tier system because I haven't read the supporting documentation.

However from what I read it looks like Sark will not be able to switch schools without this following him (that is good and will stop some of this crap) however it doesn't absolve UW of issues or sanctions. Looks like to me the NCAA could nail both.

I could be wrong but the new regs don't just punish the coach and keep the school innocent of any violations.

I asked about the new 4 tier penalty thing as well, there is a link further in the thread explaining it.

To punish UW with anything more than a slap on the wrist they are going to have to show a lack of institutional control, and I don't see that happening with just this.

 

[OregonDucks]

thought it was fishy that Sark was about to win 8 games this year.

 

[mcnabb7542]

UW might be on the hook for something minor, but right now this is looking a lot worse for Sarkisian.


Well, assuming further investigations don't show this to be the tip of the iceberg.

Come on man no Icebergs...your gonna jinx it.....

 

[OregonDucks]

so major LOL at USC.

Although this might be perfect for Haden. He might be able to have reason now to get rid of Sark because the hire was so un popular. Great way to back peddle here.

 

[Ironbreaker]

thought it was fishy that Sark was about to win 8 games this year.

I thought it fishy that 0regon actually thought they were a better team than Stanford.

 

[mcnabb7542]

thought it was fishy that Sark was about to win 8 games this year.

Dirty man real dirty.....

 

[Ironbreaker]

so major LOL at USC.

Although this might be perfect for Haden. He might be able to have reason now to get rid of Sark because the hire was so un popular. Great way to back peddle here.

USC has an opt out of their contract with Sark if he falls under investigations. But so does Petersen with UW if the school does.

Petersen to Texas?

Sark to Texas?

 

[7Samurai13]

For Sarkisian, these violations would fall under the new head coach responsibility bylaws. Proposal 2012–15 was adopted with immediate effect by the Board of Directors on October 30, 2012. The payments are alleged to have occurred on or about February 25 and May 18, 2013. That means Sarkisian’s responsibility will be judged under the new bylaw which presumes he is responsible for any violation committed by his assistants. He can rebut that presumption by showing that he adequately monitored the activities of his assistants and promoted an atmosphere of compliance. While the NCAA had issued best practice documents about what that entails, no case has established what the Committee on Infractions says is enough to rebut the presumption of responsibility.


It's a new bylaw. So unless Sark can prove he had no idea, he is facing suspensions for at least a year, if anything is proven to be true.

UW might be on the hook for something minor, but right now this is looking a lot worse for Sarkisian.


Well, assuming further investigations don't show this to be the tip of the iceberg.

It's a bylaw.

 

[mcnabb7542]

so major LOL at USC.

Although this might be perfect for Haden. He might be able to have reason now to get rid of Sark because the hire was so un popular. Great way to back peddle here.

Oh there is no way he's getting out of this, (Haden) he picked Sark, this is his guy he's stuck with him, if he fires him then he looks like he has no control and caves to boosters, and flat out he'll look like an ass clown.

 

[corn train]

3 years from now when the investigation is wrapped up they will conclude the kid paid the money back by then...

Why would you rat out the guy who got you tutoring and helped you get into college/foseball in the first place?

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Careful with your comments about this being an unpopular hire at USC. TF12 has assured me that I am a dumb ass for being less than impressed with Sark to USC. I personally believe Washington got a huge upgrade in the coaching department. We will see who is correct. In a few years...

 

[Ironbreaker]

3 years from now when the investigation is wrapped up they will conclude the kid paid the money back by then...

Why would you rat out the guy who got you tutoring and helped you get into college/foseball in the first place?

An unnamed whistle blower tipped this off. Which started the investigation. They contacted Curtis who confirmed the allegations.

Basham hasn't been reached, nor did he meet eligibility requirements at UW to enroll, even after the tutoring. He never attended here or played football.

Beyond that it's just a lot of speculating at this point. Hearing everything from curtis and basham having hurt feelings because Tosh walked away completely after wasting the money, to several conspiracies concerning USC wanting this to happen so Tosh would get canned, and or so Sark will get canned because he's not the guy they want after all.

It's nutty right now.

 

[Banned 10x]

Careful with your comments about this being an unpopular hire at USC. TF12 has assured me that I am a dumb ass for being less than impressed with Sark to USC. I personally believe Washington got a huge upgrade in the coaching department. We will see who is correct. In a few years...

I think there is no doubt that UW upgraded.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I asked about the new 4 tier penalty thing as well, there is a link further in the thread explaining it.

To punish UW with anything more than a slap on the wrist they are going to have to show a lack of institutional control, and I don't see that happening with just this.

Two thoughts:

1. If you are counting on the NCAA to be rational you will be disappointed.
2. You couldn't pick a better time to have an NCAA issue because they are under attack and have seemed more likely to back off recently than pursue and risk further damaging their reputation.

My guess is Sark will have some restrictions placed on him in regards to recruiting for a year, the coach who committed the infractions will get hit much harder and UW will get an extremely light slap that they can live with.