The Umbrella Academy

[Cyder]

Whether or not this works will depend on how the write it in. If they do a good job it will work, if they don't it won't. It's not one of my favorite shows but enjoyable so I'll give it a shot.

 

[The Q]

Elliot. What about his/her transgenderness would be necessary to explain in relation to a fictional character?

Ellen page's character is female

Vanya

 

[The Q]

because that's insulting to Elliot to ask him to play a female. He is making an effort not to be a female. Saying "um, you still have to be a female" is not going to sit well with him.

so you flex the character a little. It's really not a big deal. I have watched the show, the character's sex has nothing to do with the character, IMO

and who cares about the character's outfits? it's not about them being concerned about spending on new clothing or anything. This is about being sensitive to the actor and what they want.

That's why you recast.

This really isn't hard dude

You're just making it to try and be self righteous

 

[MilkSpiller22]

from Elliot's perspective, and from the perspective of the producers, they see it as necessary. They want to keep their employee happy and by not insulting them by making him play a female, they are doing that.

I don't know if you are familiar with dead names and whatnot when it comes to those who have transitioned, but it is extremely insulting to refer to someone who has transitioned by their dead name, or what they used to be.

to say "hey, um, can you still play a chick" would likely be a pretty bad suggestion to a transitioned man like Elliot.

except it is normal for men to play female roles... same vice versa... He is an actor... actors act...

but seriously, lets see how it is handled before we make an opinion about it...

 

[ill]

That's why you recast.

This really isn't hard dude

You're just making it to try and be self righteous

if you want to be a complete dick to Elliot, you recast.

but with this character, again, who the fuck cares the gender or "Venya" or whatever he will be named in the new season.

oh wait...you care because you can't handle it

 

[Sparhawk]

So, on a show with telekinesis, manipulating sound waves, mind control, talking to dead people, time travel, teleportation, super strength, robotic moms, and an intelligent chimpanzee that talks....... it's the gender change that is a deal breaker.

 

[ill]

except it is normal for men to play female roles... same vice versa... He is an actor... actors act...

but seriously, lets see how it is handled before we make an opinion about it...

no it isn't.

this isn't Shakespeare anymore.

and this is much more than "dude playing a female"

 

[ill]

So, on a show with telekinesis, manipulating sound waves, mind control, talking to dead people, time travel, teleportation, super strength, robotic moms, and an intelligent chimpanzee that talks....... it's the gender change that is a deal breaker.

don't forget the character with the fishbowl for a head

do we know how they characterize themselves as a gender?

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

from Elliot's perspective, and from the perspective of the producers, they see it as necessary. They want to keep their employee happy and by not insulting them by making him play a female, they are doing that.

I don't know if you are familiar with dead names and whatnot when it comes to those who have transitioned, but it is extremely insulting to refer to someone who has transitioned by their dead name, or what they used to be.

to say "hey, um, can you still play a chick" would likely be a pretty bad suggestion to a transitioned man like Elliot.

Clearly don't see eye to eye here, but it is what it is.

Again, it's a job. There's nothing insulting about requiring an employee to keep the same job title regardless of their personal choices outside of the workplace.

An actor's job is to portray a role. Actor's act. So why can't Elliot play the part of a female? That isn't insulting. Straight people play gay people all the time...

 

[The Q]

no it isn't.

this isn't Shakespeare anymore.

and this is much more than "dude playing a female"

no, it's really not.

It's a job, and if she has an issue, you recast.

You don't upend the entire show, twice, for someone you say isnt' even that important.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

no it isn't.

this isn't Shakespeare anymore.

and this is much more than "dude playing a female"

of course it is normal... it happens all the time... even still in modern times...

but again, lets see how it is handled... nobody,not even the most liberal of us, wanst to be smacked in the face with constant wokeness...

 

[ill]

it's not "just a job"

especially when you are the biggest name in the cast.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

So, on a show with telekinesis, manipulating sound waves, mind control, talking to dead people, time travel, teleportation, super strength, robotic moms, and an intelligent chimpanzee that talks....... it's the gender change that is a deal breaker.

Lol... Great point.

Not a deal breaker for me... Just stating why I didn't think its necessary

 

[ill]

of course it is normal... it happens all the time... even still in modern times...

but again, lets see how it is handled... nobody,not even the most liberal of us, wanst to be smacked in the face with constant wokeness...

the only people getting their panties in a bunch over this are the people are afraid that the world around them is changing and they don't want to keep up.

aka you, Q, etc

 

[ill]

Lol... Great point.

Not a deal breaker for me... Just stating why I didn't think its necessary

again, it isn't being done for you

it is being done for Elliot

 

[The Q]

of course it is normal... it happens all the time... even still in modern times...

but again, lets see how it is handled... nobody,not even the most liberal of us, wanst to be smacked in the face with constant wokeness...

nah, that ship has already sailed.


rewatching s2, they already basically were doing it then for no reason (as both Allison and Vanya had minimal roles in Dallas in the actual source material).

 

[The Q]

the only people getting their panties in a bunch over this are the people are afraid that the world around them is changing and they don't want to keep up.

aka you, Q, etc

there it is

ignore the truth and fact just so you can be self righteous

I was right about Sasha/Bianca and my take keeps aging better by the day. You were wrong then. you're wrong now. no surprise tho. It's kind of your thing.

 

[The Q]

again, it isn't being done for you

it is being done for Elliot

Exactly

bastardizing the source material for woke bs

things that don't matter in reality.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

nah, that ship has already sailed.


rewatching s2, they already basically were doing it then for no reason (as both Allison and Vanya had minimal roles in Dallas in the actual source material).

i know we all have our own limits of wokeness... i didnt think season 2 was too woke... at all...

 

[Mebert]

Maybe Vanya's struggling with gender identity can explain why the character is always so whiney and miserable, and now that he is really himself he can suck less.

I don't care who plays, or what changes they make. Vanya sucks but is critical to the storylines. I am hoping this year Vanya sucks less and is still critical to the storyline.