Game Thread: CFP SEMIFINAL: Clemson (13-0) vs Ohio State (13-0) 8pm ET ESPN

[michaeljordan_fan]

No he did not take 4 steps after securing the ball. The rule is clear, you must fulfill all steps, not just the first one of the rule. The steps are not the defining measure, the football move is. On that play the football move would have been warding off the DB and that did not happen, hence the reason it was over turned

You're wasting your time, he's an idiot.

 

[dtgold88]

I get it, you're upset. Get over it.

I'd be upset anytime my team lost a big game. You'll understand this again some day.....maybe.

And I'm over it. Just a discussion. If you said like some have that OSU still could have won even with those calls you'd get no disagreement from me.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

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[WizardHawk]

Not really mutually exclusive though. Sure, they had a chance to win after those calls, but also fair to think game goes differently if no reversal on the calls.

That misses the point though.

Bad calls are part of the game. You can play 'what if' in nearly every close game that has ever happened. You have to play through them and win despite them. The teams I follow have been in many of those. 'Fail mary', SB 40, hell Pac12 refs pretty much never get a game entirely correct.

You still have to overcome them and win or blame yourself, not that other element that is part of the game, has always been part of the game, and will never go away.

 

[dtgold88]

The part that you are HAPPILY skipping over is that the WR did not avoid or ward off the DB. The DB broke up the pass, this play is the very definition of the rule this year. The replay official got this play correct.

After he took 3-4 steps. How many steps you thinking he needs before a play like that becomes a fumble?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

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[rjshull]

you are right it's in black and white. Per the rule posted by across and MJ fan all aspects for a catch are made.

Except Across did not post this years rule, he posted an old rule. Here is the rule book. Look for yourself http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR19.pdf

the rule states “
ARTICLE 3. a. To catch a ball means that a player:

1. Secures firm control with the hand(s) or arm(s) of a live ball in flight before the ball touches the ground, and

2. Touches the ground in bounds with any part of his body, and then

3. Maintains control of the ball long enough to enable him to perform an act common to the game, i.e., long enough to pitch or hand the ball, advance it, avoid or ward off an opponent”

Step 1 must be completed and it was, then step 2 must be completed and it was, the last part step 3 must then be completed after steps 1 and 2. Of all3 steps are completed then the fumble occurred, the problem is the Clemson player completed steps 1 and 2, but failed in completing step 3 per the 2019 rules. The correct call was made by the replay refs

 

[Across The Field]

No he did not take 4 steps after securing the ball. The rule is clear, you must fulfill all steps, not just the first one of the rule. The steps are not the defining measure, the football move is. On that play the football move would have been warding off the DB and that did not happen, hence the reason it was over turned

Oh he absolutely took 4 step after securing the ball. That isn't even remotely debatable. He never bobbled it, and had it firmly in his hands, then took 4 steps. It was a fantastic play by the DB, and it should've remained a fumble.

 

[dtgold88]

No he did not take 4 steps after securing the ball. The rule is clear, you must fulfill all steps, not just the first one of the rule. The steps are not the defining measure, the football move is. On that play the football move would have been warding off the DB and that did not happen, hence the reason it was over turned

Thats it, huh? So if he drags the DB to the goal line but cannot ward him off him, then drops the ball, still not a fumble?

 

[rjshull]

After he took 3-4 steps. How many steps you thinking he needs before a play like that becomes a fumble?

Read the rule book, the steps don’t matter if step 2 AND 3 of the rule is not completed.
ARTICLE 3. a. To catch a ball means that a player:

1. Secures firm control with the hand(s) or arm(s) of a live ball in flight before the ball touches the ground, and

2. Touches the ground in bounds with any part of his body, and then

3. Maintains control of the ball long enough to enable him to perform an act common to the game, i.e., long enough to pitch or hand the ball, advance it, avoid or ward off an opponent

 

[dtgold88]

You're wasting your time, he's an idiot.

Irrational people wont answer direct questions. Lets try again...how many did he need to take before you'd consider it a catch?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

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[dtgold88]

That misses the point though.

Bad calls are part of the game. You can play 'what if' in nearly every close game that has ever happened. You have to play through them and win despite them. The teams I follow have been in many of those. 'Fail mary', SB 40, hell Pac12 refs pretty much never get a game entirely correct.

You still have to overcome them and win or blame yourself, not that other element that is part of the game, has always been part of the game, and will never go away.

No disagreement. But worse than typical bad calls are bad calls made after a review to reverse what quite likely was the right call.

 

[Across The Field]

Except Across did not post this years rule, he posted an old rule. Here is the rule book. Look for yourself http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR19.pdf

the rule states “
ARTICLE 3. a. To catch a ball means that a player:

1. Secures firm control with the hand(s) or arm(s) of a live ball in flight before the ball touches the ground, and

2. Touches the ground in bounds with any part of his body, and then

3. Maintains control of the ball long enough to enable him to perform an act common to the game, i.e., long enough to pitch or hand the ball, advance it, avoid or ward off an opponent”

Step 1 must be completed and it was, then step 2 must be completed and it was, the last part step 3 must then be completed after steps 1 and 2. Of all3 steps are completed then the fumble occurred, the problem is the Clemson player completed steps 1 and 2, but failed in completing step 3 per the 2019 rules. The correct call was made by the replay refs

How was step 3 not completed? Because the 4 steps he took weren't towards downfield? Does this mean a WR can catch a ball and run back towards the QB for 10-20 yards and then get stripped and it's not a catch?

Again, as I said before, if that play took place in the end zone, it would've been (rightly) called a TD. He did everything that constitutes a catch in the college game. Players make catches on the sidelines with one foot in bounds every single game. He had his feet in bounds on 4 different steps, and taking these steps absolutely constitutes a football play. It is a fumble by the very definition.

 

[rjshull]

Oh he absolutely took 4 step after securing the ball. That isn't even remotely debatable. He never bobbled it, and had it firmly in his hands, then took 4 steps. It was a fantastic play by the DB, and it should've remained a fumble.

Sorry Suckeye, no matter how much crying you do the rule is the rule and it is not a fumble. It’s time you and your fellow fans suck it up and stop complaining about the refs. Take your own advice, suck it up and move on.

 

[Across The Field]

Sorry Suckeye, no matter how much crying you do the rule is the rule and it is not a fumble. It’s time you and your fellow fans suck it up and stop complaining about the refs. Take your own advice, suck it up and move on.

Ah, way to lose all credibility.

 

[dtgold88]

Except Across did not post this years rule, he posted an old rule. Here is the rule book. Look for yourself http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR19.pdf

the rule states “
ARTICLE 3. a. To catch a ball means that a player:

1. Secures firm control with the hand(s) or arm(s) of a live ball in flight before the ball touches the ground, and

2. Touches the ground in bounds with any part of his body, and then

3. Maintains control of the ball long enough to enable him to perform an act common to the game, i.e., long enough to pitch or hand the ball, advance it, avoid or ward off an opponent”

Step 1 must be completed and it was, then step 2 must be completed and it was, the last part step 3 must then be completed after steps 1 and 2. Of all3 steps are completed then the fumble occurred, the problem is the Clemson player completed steps 1 and 2, but failed in completing step 3 per the 2019 rules. The correct call was made by the replay refs

Since MJ fan wont answer maybe you can explain how taking 3-4 steps is not ADVANCING the ball and thus completing step 3.

How many steps does he need to take to ADVANCE the ball?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

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[Across The Field]

Since MJ fan wont answer maybe you can explain how taking 3-4 steps is not ADVANCING the ball and thus completing step 3.

How many steps does he need to take to ADVANCE the ball?

I just got a notification on my phone with a statement from the official that called it incomplete saying that "the ball was becoming loose in his hands". That literally didn't happen until he had taken his 4th step and was then stripped. Before that, he had complete and total possession. What a horrible call.