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dtgold88

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My post was mainly for rational posters to be informed about any sort of fallacy people think that the committee has screwed over some team that should have been in the playoffs because of the committee’s bias.

In 2016 I think Penn State should have been in over Ohio State but I understand the decision if they care more about losses than wins.
Yep. while it was disappointing not having OSU in the last 2 seasons, leaving them out was certainly justified (as was putting them in in 2016...and 2014).

Would be great if they had a set of rules they have to follow, but even if they did someone would still get upset.
 

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Yep. while it was disappointing not having OSU in the last 2 seasons, leaving them out was certainly justified (as was putting them in in 2016...and 2014).

Would be great if they had a set of rules they have to follow, but even if they did someone would still get upset.
Despite knowing the final results, I do not believe that 2014, Ohio State should not have been allowed in the playoffs over BAYLOR with the uncertainty at the QB situation with Haskins going down so late in the season and only seeing Cardale for one game.
 

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Maybe it’s the idea of allowing a 4 loss team into the playoffs while making a two loss team sit out and turning all out of conference games into meaningless exhibition games is what he finds weak.
agree, that's an issue but how often would a 4-loss team have gotten in the last decade? Only time I recall for sure was the year OSU and PSU could not play in their CCG.

could also make it a rule CCG winner only gets an automatic bid with 3 losses or less.

Also, if top 4 seeds played at home seeding then would matter a lot, so perhaps those OOC games would not only get us better matchups but they would matter in seeding.
 

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Despite knowing the final results, I do not believe that 2014, Ohio State should not have been allowed in the playoffs over BAYLOR with the uncertainty at the QB situation with Haskins going down so late in the season and only seeing Cardale for one game.
Having trouble understanding that with all the negatives.....are you saying OSU should have made it or should not have made it?
 

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agree, that's an issue but how often would a 4-loss team have gotten in the last decade? Only time I recall for sure was the year OSU and PSU could not play in their CCG.

could also make it a rule CCG winner only gets an automatic bid with 3 losses or less.

Also, if top 4 seeds played at home seeding then would matter a lot, so perhaps those OOC games would not only get us better matchups but they would matter in seeding.
If Utah loses to Colorado, you have 4 loss USC in the CCG. Last year you had Pitt in the ACC CCG and Northwestern in the B1G CCG. We have been very close to that multiple times in recent seasons. When is the last time we had a two loss conference champion outside the top 8?
 

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OSU should not have been in the playoffs in 2016.
I thought they deserved it.....very tough schedule and only one close loss. PSU lost twice. Once by blowout the other time to a middling Pittsburgh team.

But if they wanted to set e precedent on how important a CCG win was then I would have understood.
 

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Having trouble understanding that with all the negatives.....are you saying OSU should have made it or should not have made it?
No Ohio State should not have been in the playoffs. The Big12 One True Champion should have been in the playoffs as a 4 seed.
 

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If Utah loses to Colorado, you have 4 loss USC in the CCG. Last year you had Pitt in the ACC CCG and Northwestern in the B1G CCG. We have been very close to that multiple times in recent seasons. When is the last time we had a two loss conference champion outside the top 8?
Great....but being close is not winning a CCG. My question was how often has it happened? I can recall once in a decade.
 

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No Ohio State should not have been in the playoffs. The Big12 One True Champion should have been in the playoffs as a 4 seed.
If you say so. Never mind OSU had an extra win (a huge one) and showed they could play with cardale......which non-champ in the B12 were you picking?
 

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The CFP committee has done as good of a job as they could through this short stint of the CFP. People bitched about the BCS, they will bitch about this, they will bitch about an 8 team playoff. Right now, this 4 team playoff is the best thing for college football. I'm sorry, if you don't win the games on your schedule, you will be left out.
Think I mentioned in another thread I was once all for an 8 teamer as a must. Still prefer 8, but I could understand keeping it at 4 as 8 would be a gauntlet to get through.
 

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Everybody p5 team controls their own destiny. Don’t lose. It’s that simple
 

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Great....but being close is not winning a CCG. My question was how often has it happened? I can recall once in a decade.
Ok, so close doesn’t count in CCG but close does count in playoffs? Everyone wants to switch to 8 games because we may have 5 undefeated teams and what do we do then, which has never happened in the modern era of football. Watering down the playoffs to allow teams that have played bad schedules and lost to bad teams isn’t exactly going to help college football. The reason the NFL is worse than NCAA football is because most games right now in the NFL are meaningless. There is no drama. By making non-conference college games, exhibition games, like you want to, it will hurt college football. Are you going to put your starting quarterback in for the whole game in a game that has no bearing on making the playoffs? Probably not. Let him play a couple of drives against a team the sit him to rest up for the conference schedule.
 

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If you say so. Never mind OSU had an extra win (a huge one) and showed they could play with cardale......which non-champ in the B12 were you picking?
Baylor was the conference champ.
 

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You want to reward a team who scheduled SMU, Buffalo and Northwestern State as their OOC games?

Never mind that one less win.
What does that matter, nonconference schedules don’t matter, right? It’s all about winning your conference. Why schedule tough OOC games when they are meaningless games? Schedule FCS, UTEP and Oregon State and your all set because they don’t count.
 

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Ok, so close doesn’t count in CCG but close does count in playoffs? Everyone wants to switch to 8 games because we may have 5 undefeated teams and what do we do then, which has never happened in the modern era of football. Watering down the playoffs to allow teams that have played bad schedules and lost to bad teams isn’t exactly going to help college football. The reason the NFL is worse than NCAA football is because most games right now in the NFL are meaningless. There is no drama. By making non-conference college games, exhibition games, like you want to, it will hurt college football. Are you going to put your starting quarterback in for the whole game in a game that has no bearing on making the playoffs? Probably not. Let him play a couple of drives against a team the sit him to rest up for the conference schedule.
at least you switched from straw man to completely irrational.

You get those OOC games you think wont matter might matter if a team does not win their conference? Never mind the claim the NFL is worse. You get that's just an opinion, right?
 

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What does that matter, nonconference schedules don’t matter, right? It’s all about winning your conference. Why schedule tough OOC games when they are meaningless games? Schedule FCS, UTEP and Oregon State and your all set because they don’t count.
Because clearly that year they did matter. And they could in the future when it came to selecting teams 6-8.

And of course there's that extra win you keep ignoring.

Oh, and Baylor was the B12 co-champ not the champ. But never mind that, right?
 

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Because clearly that year they did matter. And they could in the future when it came to selecting teams 6-8.

And of course there's that extra win you keep ignoring.

Oh, and Baylor was the B12 co-champ not the champ. But never mind that, right?
Yes, and in your world, playing 3 FCS teams has no punishment and playing Alabama, Clemson, and Oklahoma has no reward. So you want to make it so nonconference are pointless but it should help out Ohio State that year because it’s Ohio State and your Scarlet and Gray glasses are on. Why should non-conference games matter that season but it shouldn’t matter going forward?

Baylor was the real Big12 champs since they beat TCU, or do you believe that Michigan was the co-division Champ last season?
 

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at least you switched from straw man to completely irrational.

You get those OOC games you think wont matter might matter if a team does not win their conference? Never mind the claim the NFL is worse. You get that's just an opinion, right?
But why take a chance? Ask FSU if they would rather sit their quarterback against Bama a couple years ago or let him get hurt and be out all season?
 
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