2018-2019 NBA Regular Season Thread

[WiggyRuss]

LeBron 'Throwing People Under the Bus' Like Never Before, and NBA Is Baffled

"I've never seen him like this, and I'm a little shocked because I've been around him and thought he was more of a leader," a Western Conference executive said. "All of a sudden, I'm seeing a different LeBron. Dude, don't do that; you're hurting yourself. The best thing he can do is tell everybody, 'My guys have been great, I can do better, and we need to continue to improve as a team.' He hasn't done that. Instead, he's throwing people under the bus."

"Now it's all about deferring and putting blame on somebody else," one of the Western Conference executives said. "Instead of being like an old-school guy and saying: 'I've got to do a better job. I've got to make my teammates better.' Great players and great leaders, that's what they do. That's what Kobe [Bryant] would've done. That's what Michael Jordan would've done."


"How would you feel if you're Kyle Kuzma and you're living in L.A.—where it's 75 degrees every day—and you think this is going to be your home for the next 15 years?" another Western Conference executive asked. "Those guys don't want to go to New Orleans."

And it's not only LeBron’s teammates who are getting the blame. Just this week, in a subtle backhanded slap at the team's decision-makers, he told reporters, "You have four guys in our top-eight rotation that you have to really rely on, and it's unfair to them to ask for so much when they're in their second or third year."

"These new-school guys always want to put it on somebody else," one of the Western Conference executives said. "It's an immediate-gratification society, and it's always someone else's fault."

"Is everyone just a pawn to help the great players achieve success?" one of the execs asked. "Or is the great player the genesis of that success?"

 

[DJ]

I gotta pick something I'll want to look at and enjoy looking at. I'm stilling thinking about it.

Think harder....season is almost over.

 

[DJ]

Could the Warriors really lose to the Suns at home?

For all the crap the Suns have caught, they are a player away from being decent, and maybe 2 away from being pretty damn good.

This. And maybe a good coach.

 

[DJ]

Anytime the Warriors lose it is because they're bored or someone is hurt lmao

Doesn't hurt to give credit to give the opponent credit once in a blue

once in a blue moon. I helped you finish your thought.

You're welcome.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I don't care what it's called. He pushed & kicked that woman. Tell me I'm wrong about that.

I mean, let me take you through a few scenarios- obviously not that all apply to this situation but

--what if he just does it out of the blue for NO reason at all and punches here just because he is mad about something else and was triggered? obviously the worst case scenario

-what if he does it because she is just leaving a bad situation when he does not want her to leave? obviously that is terrible as well.

-is there a difference between the Hunt incident- where there were no actual injuries, and the incident like Ray Rice, when the woman was knocked out cold in a vicious blow?

-is there a difference if she spits on him and calls him the N-word and is screaming and pushing him back?

-what if she initiates the physical altercation and is punching him?

-what if she is using a weapon - or even worse- a deadly weapon like a knife or gun?

what I am saying is that every situation has to be judged independently on its merits. Here, the cops made the decision that they did that no charges should be pressed. If I were to guess why, it would be because the woman had no visible injuries and she was screaming and yelling the N-word and out of control. While that certainly does not give Hunt a legitimate excuse, and he is without a doubt wrong for what he did, they are facts that give the police a bigger picture under which to operate under.

Thank goodness i had never been in that situation- but imagine a worst-case scenario---- say you inadvertently piss someone off in a bar after you have had a drink or two, they come up to you, throw a drink in your face, start screaming obscenities at you, punch you in the balls, -- would you be able to just walk away? I would like to say that I would walk away and just get out of the situation and i honestly think i would, but i think its a lot easier to say that then actually have a worst-case scenario play out in real time.

 

[bksballer89]

Outside of the Raptors/Cavs game, huge games tonight with playoffs implications.

Kings/Wiz
Pistons/Nets
Hornets/Rockets
Thunder/Jazz
Celtics/Clippers

 

[dtgold88]

well by the letter of the law it is not domestic violence- domestic violene is violence against a family member.

And no charges were ever pressed because of the inciting circumstances.

I absolutely think Hunt was wrong for what he did, but there are varying degrees of mitigating circumstances.

In this case, being called the N word repeatedly by someone that refuses to leave your hotel room and is screaming, spitting and carrying on becuase you kicked them out becuase you found out they were drinking and under the age of 21 is pretty much the definition of mitigating circumstances.

I mean, this is a far cry from Ray Rice cold-cocking his what was it? long time girlfriend or wife? in an elevator and knocking her out cold.

I am sure the last thing the woman wanted was to have to go to court and explain what happened that night.

all that being said- its still not up to her to "press charges"- the police decide whether to press charges or not, and the police decided no charges were warranted.

wonder if wamu tells you that you don't know what DV is with tro

Dont matter, a real man does not kick or hit women, and it is considered domestic abuse by law. IN the church we encourage all women to have abusers arrested

you, too? No, it is not considered domestic abuse "by law". Unless she was his wife, girlfriend or child.

 

[dtgold88]

I hope Cuban sells the Mavericks.

Can he by the Indians then with his spare time?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Outside of the Raptors/Cavs game, huge games tonight with playoffs implications.

Kings/Wiz
Pistons/Nets
Hornets/Rockets
Thunder/Jazz
Celtics/Clippers

I am def. rooting for the kings.

 

[dtgold88]

I am really not sure what to expect from the top East teams in the playoffs.

Milwaukee has the best player, but they have struggled in the playoffs in past seasons.
Toronto has a different team this year, but there are still questions to be answered.
Philly has the most talent, IMO, but also not sure what Simmons and Butler will do in the playoffs.
And Boston. What the heck can we expect from them?

Tornto's kryptonite, though, has been Lebron most years. Maybe this changes things, but who knows?

 

[Wamu]

I mean, let me take you through a few scenarios- obviously not that all apply to this situation but

--what if he just does it out of the blue for NO reason at all and punches here just because he is mad about something else and was triggered? obviously the worst case scenario

-what if he does it because she is just leaving a bad situation when he does not want her to leave? obviously that is terrible as well.

-is there a difference between the Hunt incident- where there were no actual injuries, and the incident like Ray Rice, when the woman was knocked out cold in a vicious blow?

-is there a difference if she spits on him and calls him the N-word and is screaming and pushing him back?

-what if she initiates the physical altercation and is punching him?

-what if she is using a weapon - or even worse- a deadly weapon like a knife or gun?

what I am saying is that every situation has to be judged independently on its merits. Here, the cops made the decision that they did that no charges should be pressed. If I were to guess why, it would be because the woman had no visible injuries and she was screaming and yelling the N-word and out of control. While that certainly does not give Hunt a legitimate excuse, and he is without a doubt wrong for what he did, they are facts that give the police a bigger picture under which to operate under.

Thank goodness i had never been in that situation- but imagine a worst-case scenario---- say you inadvertently piss someone off in a bar after you have had a drink or two, they come up to you, throw a drink in your face, start screaming obscenities at you, punch you in the balls, -- would you be able to just walk away? I would like to say that I would walk away and just get out of the situation and i honestly think i would, but i think its a lot easier to say that then actually have a worst-case scenario play out in real time.

Alotta what if's there. I mean I can't say it enough. I simply don't condone what Hunt did. And it made him look even worse that he went back into that hallway & pushed that woman down.

Now I'm not saying she's innocent. My guess is she ran her mouth. But Hunt's reaction to everything was way outta line in my opinion.

 

[dtgold88]

Dont matter, a real man does not kick or hit women, and it is considered domestic abuse by law. IN the church we encourage all women to have abusers arrested

It's not but seem like some think if they just write this it becomes true.

Maybe she did try to have him arrested, but when they realized she was the instrigator they declined to arrest?

 

[dtgold88]

domestic abuse is when you injure a family member.

assault and battery- depending on how your state defines it, under the common law a battery is an unlawful touching. in Ohio they follow the model penal code though which does not do battery and instead calls everything an "assault".

what he would have done is an assault and battery- not domestic violence.

Yep...And this is being blown way out of proportion. Nowhere near what Ray Rice did. Was there a better way out of it? Probably....best way was not get into that situation in the first place.

 

[DJ]

I mean, let me take you through a few scenarios- obviously not that all apply to this situation but

--what if he just does it out of the blue for NO reason at all and punches here just because he is mad about something else and was triggered? obviously the worst case scenario

-what if he does it because she is just leaving a bad situation when he does not want her to leave? obviously that is terrible as well.

-is there a difference between the Hunt incident- where there were no actual injuries, and the incident like Ray Rice, when the woman was knocked out cold in a vicious blow?

-is there a difference if she spits on him and calls him the N-word and is screaming and pushing him back?

-what if she initiates the physical altercation and is punching him?

-what if she is using a weapon - or even worse- a deadly weapon like a knife or gun?

what I am saying is that every situation has to be judged independently on its merits. Here, the cops made the decision that they did that no charges should be pressed. If I were to guess why, it would be because the woman had no visible injuries and she was screaming and yelling the N-word and out of control. While that certainly does not give Hunt a legitimate excuse, and he is without a doubt wrong for what he did, they are facts that give the police a bigger picture under which to operate under.

Thank goodness i had never been in that situation- but imagine a worst-case scenario---- say you inadvertently piss someone off in a bar after you have had a drink or two, they come up to you, throw a drink in your face, start screaming obscenities at you, punch you in the balls, -- would you be able to just walk away? I would like to say that I would walk away and just get out of the situation and i honestly think i would, but i think its a lot easier to say that then actually have a worst-case scenario play out in real time.

You're saying this because he signed with the Browns....if he hadn't......you'd be crucifying him for it.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Alotta what if's there. I mean I can't say it enough. I simply don't condone what Hunt did. And it made him look even worse that he went back into that hallway & pushed that woman down.

Now I'm not saying she's innocent. My guess is she ran her mouth. But Hunt's reaction to everything was way outta line in my opinion.

i totally agree with you that Hunt was a moron and a scum bag for what he did. But Hunt's actions were nothing compared to say, Ray Rice.

All I was saying is that nothing is black and white and that each situation has to be judged independently of one another and that there are varying degrees.

I would bet any amount of money that if the victim had been behaving herself and went to the lobby of the hotel with a black eye that Mr. Hunt would have been in handcuffs and in jail.

I think the police saw that htere were no injuries, and that she seemed to incite the incident and decided that, it was best for both parties, that each just go there separate ways.

One thing to think about- in todays sue-happy legal environment, a woman like that gets hit by an NFL player, and she does not sue him and file a civil suit for the cash grab. There is obviously a reason why- she does not want what happened that night to come out probably almost as much as Hunt.

 

[WiggyRuss]

You're saying this because he signed with the Browns....if he hadn't......you'd be crucifying him for it.

I was saying much the same when we initially talked about it months ago.

 

[dtgold88]

Alotta what if's there. I mean I can't say it enough. I simply don't condone what Hunt did. And it made him look even worse that he went back into that hallway & pushed that woman down.

Now I'm not saying she's innocent. My guess is she ran her mouth. But Hunt's reaction to everything was way outta line in my opinion.

Doesn't matter he was pushed into her?

I think we all agree there MIGHT have been a better way out of this, but who can know without being there. Kick should have been avoided, but that alone should not be a reason not to work again.

To me, the best way out is not be in these situations in the first place. Hopefully, he has learned his lesson. If not, he'll do something else and will be released. If he has, great.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Outside of the Raptors/Cavs game, huge games tonight with playoffs implications.

Kings/Wiz
Pistons/Nets
Hornets/Rockets
Thunder/Jazz
Celtics/Clippers

3.5 games behind detroit and the nets...with the nets crazy schedule it is not out of the realm of possibility of moving up....not likely, but it sure would be nice to get the Pacers in the first round then the Bucks or Raptors.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Tornto's kryptonite, though, has been Lebron most years. Maybe this changes things, but who knows?

This year, it's been Giannis and the Bucks.

I'm reserving any guesses until I've seen Kawhi play some playoff ball. If him and Siakam can do enough to mitigate Lowry's sure-to-come disappearing act, if Van Vleet can get back healthy and contribute and if they stick to starting Gasol, I like their chances.

The Bucks have a really, really good team though. That's one hell of a build job they've done.

 

[dtgold88]

Dude, just stop. I don't give a fuck what you want to call it. Bottom line is he pushed and kicked a woman.

Never mind the fact that it's not okay. The NFL is cracking down on that kind of shit big time. That alone should have been enough to stop him.

Ok, so then say you don't give a fuck and don't make foolish comments about the incident being DV when it's not.

Guessing women who have been battered by their spouses wouldn't like someone comparing a light kick to a woman who had been uninvited and asked to leave to what they have gone through.