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Hey gents (and any ladies, of course),
I'm back in the states for a bit so I thought I'd hop back on here a bit until I leave again. I'm still not following CBB anywhere close to where I have due to the investigations--and being out of the country. I was at a super bowl party catching up with some friends and we got to talking about AZ basketball and the class coming in next year. Of course, they were all stoked. Seems to me that everyone who signs with AZ (and a few other programs) will more or less be subject to NCAA sanctions for the dance next year--and beyond. Some of my buddies took the position that they really won't do anything to AZ because then they'd have to punish dozens of P5 schools--and what would that do to CBB?
Their position then, would be that given the long list of programs who are involved, how could the NCAA punish all of them and there be anything left to the sport? It's a good point, and also my concern. It doesn't have to only be those affected by the FBI investigation. "Failure to foster an environment of compliance" is not only vague, but it doesn't have to rely on the HC knowing beforehand. I think we can agree that dozens of programs failed to foster an environment of compliance. "Accepting improper benefits" is also another violation that could affect dozens and dozens of schools even if paid back. Just taking the Pac for example, obviously AZ, and USC have proven to have cheated through their coaches who pleaded guilty. Although I'm still under the belief that it's pretty tough for the HC to not know while felonies are committed on his behalf, the NCAA has free rein to impose sanctions. Oregon's now been accused of offering money for Bowen, Fultz got paid to go to UW, and Jay Williams straight up admitted on national TV that his group paid Kevin Love a quarter mil to go to UCLA. I think Utah is also on the list. Haha, am I missing anyone? That's half of the Pac right there. What does the conference look like if just those teams are sanctioned? What does a conference tourney look like? And that's just who we know about. Looking at other conferences, it's the same thing. What does March look like with like 1/4 or 1/3 of at-large teams under sanctions (more or less)?
But if the NCAA does nothing to punish them, then it's essentially like giving them the go-ahead to continue to break the rules (if not the law) and CBB is officially a joke. A buddy of mine brought up that the NCAA might not punish the schools because they will move to pay the players. It seems to me that the only way the NCAA could not impose mass sanctions is by changing the system entirely.
What do you think? I'm not asking if you think the players should be paid (or how)--although we can talk about that. I'm asking if you think the NCAA will pay players, and not impose sanctions because of that. That's pretty much the only way they could get away with not punishing programs, right? I'm also not trying to defend AZ, nor do I give a fuck if you just want to talk shit. I'm trying to figure out if you see the same problem I do. Either the NCAA has to bury college basketball for a few years with sanctions, or they have to pay players, right? The only other way is to do nothing. For all the bullshit the NCAA imposes out of nowhere, it seems to me that they would have to act against felons and the system they exploited, right? Seems to me that the NCAA will finish their investigation and realize that they have to pay players or they're fucked. I think it'll take a few years and some different ideas of how to do it so it works, but the writing is on the wall.
Then yahoo prints this article (as you may have seen) so I thought I'd hit you guys up to see what you think.
With NCAA investigation underway, Arizona's Sean Miller faces complicated future
I'm back in the states for a bit so I thought I'd hop back on here a bit until I leave again. I'm still not following CBB anywhere close to where I have due to the investigations--and being out of the country. I was at a super bowl party catching up with some friends and we got to talking about AZ basketball and the class coming in next year. Of course, they were all stoked. Seems to me that everyone who signs with AZ (and a few other programs) will more or less be subject to NCAA sanctions for the dance next year--and beyond. Some of my buddies took the position that they really won't do anything to AZ because then they'd have to punish dozens of P5 schools--and what would that do to CBB?
Their position then, would be that given the long list of programs who are involved, how could the NCAA punish all of them and there be anything left to the sport? It's a good point, and also my concern. It doesn't have to only be those affected by the FBI investigation. "Failure to foster an environment of compliance" is not only vague, but it doesn't have to rely on the HC knowing beforehand. I think we can agree that dozens of programs failed to foster an environment of compliance. "Accepting improper benefits" is also another violation that could affect dozens and dozens of schools even if paid back. Just taking the Pac for example, obviously AZ, and USC have proven to have cheated through their coaches who pleaded guilty. Although I'm still under the belief that it's pretty tough for the HC to not know while felonies are committed on his behalf, the NCAA has free rein to impose sanctions. Oregon's now been accused of offering money for Bowen, Fultz got paid to go to UW, and Jay Williams straight up admitted on national TV that his group paid Kevin Love a quarter mil to go to UCLA. I think Utah is also on the list. Haha, am I missing anyone? That's half of the Pac right there. What does the conference look like if just those teams are sanctioned? What does a conference tourney look like? And that's just who we know about. Looking at other conferences, it's the same thing. What does March look like with like 1/4 or 1/3 of at-large teams under sanctions (more or less)?
But if the NCAA does nothing to punish them, then it's essentially like giving them the go-ahead to continue to break the rules (if not the law) and CBB is officially a joke. A buddy of mine brought up that the NCAA might not punish the schools because they will move to pay the players. It seems to me that the only way the NCAA could not impose mass sanctions is by changing the system entirely.
What do you think? I'm not asking if you think the players should be paid (or how)--although we can talk about that. I'm asking if you think the NCAA will pay players, and not impose sanctions because of that. That's pretty much the only way they could get away with not punishing programs, right? I'm also not trying to defend AZ, nor do I give a fuck if you just want to talk shit. I'm trying to figure out if you see the same problem I do. Either the NCAA has to bury college basketball for a few years with sanctions, or they have to pay players, right? The only other way is to do nothing. For all the bullshit the NCAA imposes out of nowhere, it seems to me that they would have to act against felons and the system they exploited, right? Seems to me that the NCAA will finish their investigation and realize that they have to pay players or they're fucked. I think it'll take a few years and some different ideas of how to do it so it works, but the writing is on the wall.
Then yahoo prints this article (as you may have seen) so I thought I'd hit you guys up to see what you think.
With NCAA investigation underway, Arizona's Sean Miller faces complicated future