Urban Meyer...

[Across The Field]

I remember it. Much ado about nothing. So much so, a district attorney decided not to file charges. Mind you, this was a DA in the state of Louisiana, where LSU is king. Seriously, the optics were bad and Saban handled his players internally, but the charges were dropped because the DA knew he had little chance to convict based on actual evidence.

This doesnt look good for Urban. Not sure what comes out of this, but Domestic Abuse is a hot topic and he knew shit and supposedly there is allegations his wife knew, she told him, the coaching staff knew, and Urbans lawyer was part of a pressure campaign for the wife to drop charges. Doesnt look good.

This is the only fair way Urban could lose his job. If they can prove he orchestrated an effort to prevent her from going through with filing charges, he needs to be fired on the spot.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

This is the only fair way Urban could lose his job. If they can prove he orchestrated an effort to prevent her from going through with filing charges, he needs to be fired on the spot.

Actually, my guess is because of Title IX, I personally think he may be done now and negoatiations are ongoing on how to make him step down quietly now. To me, college towns protect the coaches most times if they are good to great coaches. Arguably, Urban fits the good to Great levell of coach, so it stands to reason this being known for a while shows he has been protected to a point. That point ended when it became national news. Local is one thing, now nationally Urban looks like a man who has been harboring a Domestic Abuser and done little to stop it or help the spouse. If the allegation is true his lawyer helped pressure, he sill never coach again, anywhere.

 

[Chewbaccer]

But seriously, back to the important stuff here, is there any news on any 2019 OSU commits having second thoughts?

 

[Myles]

Arguably, Urban fits the good to Great levell of coach, so it stands to reason this being known for a while shows he has been protected to a point. That point ended when it became national news. Local is one thing, now nationally Urban looks like a man who has been harboring a Domestic Abuser and done little to stop it or help the spouse. If the allegation is true his lawyer helped pressure, he sill never coach again, anywhere.

Really? It's not arguable that he is a good to great coach.

They guy is fucked now though.

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

There is a 20 page thread discussing the incident and I even defended Maize for creating the thread on the football forum. What the hell are you talking about?

Soooo.....Michigan State

The hell I am talking about is responding to YOUR comment

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

My Russian ex wife told the cops

 

[bamabear82]

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Really? It's not arguable that he is a good to great coach.

They guy is fucked now though.

Out of all i said and thats what you chose to comment on, yeah nit picking is strong in you I see.

Agree he is likely done, but some people would argue with you on good versus great. Just how life is, accept it.

 

[7Samurai13]

The hell I am talking about is responding to YOUR comment

Michigan has had two players in the last ten years accused of sexual assault and they have had no problem defending them and having them on their team. If accusations are enough to fire someone from a job, why is not enough to kick them off their team.

In the Michigan State issues I wanted the players kicked off immediately and said Dantonio was too slow to act. With Nassar I called for everyone involved to lose their jobs and if somehow one of those victims talked to Izzo or Dantonio that those coaches should be prosecuted as well.

If you don’t see the hypocrisy from Michigan fans it’s because your Maize and Blue glasses are on top tight.

 

[Montalban]

Its a shame, if true, that this was going on in front of other authorities on the team and nobody would help her.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Michigan has had two players in the last ten years accused of sexual assault and they have had no problem defending them and having them on their team. If accusations are enough to fire someone from a job, why is not enough to kick them off their team.

In the Michigan State issues I wanted the players kicked off immediately and said Dantonio was too slow to act. With Nassar I called for everyone involved to lose their jobs and if somehow one of those victims talked to Izzo or Dantonio that those coaches should be prosecuted as well.

If you don’t see the hypocrisy from Michigan fans it’s because your Maize and Blue glasses are on top tight.

Gibbons was, in fact, kicked out of school. The University actually changed policy so it could do so without a criminal conviction. You can argue it didn't happen fast enough, OK -- that's probably true. Perry was suspended immediately and only reinstated when his charges were lessened on a plea deal. In his case, where he just got probation, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest he get a second chance. I also would have been fine with kicking him off the team. I think every coach in America has let someone back on the team in a situation similar to Perry's. Hell, Dantonio let a kid back on the team after legit jail time.

There is also the argument here that kids are different than full fledged adults. I think it's easier to argue that 18 year old people deserve second chances, even if they did something criminal, than it is to argue a head coach of 20+ years should be given that same kind of leniency; especially when they're supposed to be in charge of things.

I don't think defending either of those two situations is remotely the same to what's happening here. Their head coach stood in front of the podium last week and blatantly lied in multiple ways about this situation. And now that its' been made public, it's a reasonable dot to connect that Meyer actively worked to cover this up over the past 4+ years. A situation that involved another member of his staff, not a student.

I'd like to think that if Harbaugh stood up on stage and did this exact thing, that I wouldn't want him as my coach either. How can you come back from that? How does Urban ever stand in a press conference and not get questioned about the truthfulness of what he's telling them?

 

[Heatles84]

Who would hire him? There's nothing I "don't get". He would have nothing left to do BUT sue the University. He could deny the bruises were from him and it would be nothing but a he said/she said case. You think her reporting the abuse is a moot point? How foolish are you? That's the only possible way her claims become legitimate in an actual court.

Smith is a piece of shit, this is known. However, if she is supposedly right that multiple police jurisdictions, lawyers, judges, and family members all knew what was happening, blaming it all on Urban and firing him is fucking absurd. He's her husband's employer. He's not a cop, detective, judge, therapist, or anything else.

If he's let go back in 2015. It's likely that all of these details don't come out.

When you file a lawsuit against your former employer, all details come out.

The thing you keep glossing over is that it's Urban's obligation to report this to his higher ups at Ohio State. Maybe write an email to his bosses detailing what's going on and provide his own recommendations (dismissing Smith) before going forward so that the school avoids a title IX investigation. That way, when the school tries to fire him for voiding his contract, he can come back and say "Douche bags, I actually told you what was going on and here's the paper trail."

As far as he said she said bull shit, she's got photo graphic evidence. Also, a judge is likely going to side with the woman on this when picture evidence exists.

And before you facepalm this post or call me an idiot. You literally brought up that John Harbaugh and Jason Garrett in the NFL should be fired for similar issues related to title IX not even understanding that title IX investigations are tired to universities.

 

[SJ76]

Wrongful termination lawsuits are very real and not funny, man

It’s cute to see you up so early defending your client Urbs this morning. Another day in court today I see — I can respect your commitment to the program

 

[Chewbaccer]

Out of all i said and thats what you chose to comment on, yeah nit picking is strong in you I see.

Agree he is likely done, but some people would argue with you on good versus great. Just how life is, accept it.

Well, he's won 3 natties as a coach and has won natties at multiple programs and lead Utah to an undefeated season when they were a mid major. He's a great coach, and other than Nick Saban, he's the best in the game.

 

[SJ76]

If he's let go back in 2015. It's likely that all of these details don't come out.

When you file a lawsuit against your former employer, all details come out.

The thing you keep glossing over is that it's Urban's obligation to report this to his higher ups at Ohio State. Maybe write an email to his bosses detailing what's going on and provide his own recommendations (dismissing Smith) before going forward so that the school avoids a title IX investigation. That way, when the school tries to fire him for voiding his contract, he can come back and say "Douche bags, I actually told you what was going on and here's the paper trail."

As far as he said she said bull shit, she's got photo graphic evidence. Also, a judge is likely going to side with the woman on this when picture evidence exists.

And before you facepalm this post or call me an idiot. You literally brought up that John Harbaugh and Jason Garrett in the NFL should be fired for similar issues related to title IX not even understanding that title IX investigations are tired to universities.

These 2 adults’ relationship is
So bad they have to go to a parking lot with video surveillance and supervised by the court to exchange their kids. It’s pretty obvious how Bad it is and has been since 2009

 

[Heatles84]

These 2 adults’ relationship is
So bad they have to go to a parking lot with video surveillance and supervised by the court to exchange their kids. It’s pretty obvious how Bad it is and has been since 2009

That's the thing, I don't know how people can defend Urban.

He's had to have known about this since that time when Smith was a GA/QC at UF.

If you want to do Smith a solid and keep his stuff under wraps. Let him know that you (Meyer) are heading to Ohio State, but given that dude (Smith) can't stop treating his wife like a punching bag, that you can't have that around your program and have you mentoring and coaching kids.

Instead, Meyer's been taking Smith with him under his wing and ignoring that he abuses the crap out of his wife.

 

[Heatles84]

Well, he's won 3 natties as a coach and has won natties at multiple programs and lead Utah to an undefeated season when they were a mid major. He's a great coach, and other than Nick Saban, he's the best in the game.

I despise Meyer significantly given that he's coached at two schools I absolutely loathe.

But it's foolish for anyone to argue that Meyer's not at the very least the 2nd best coach in college football today.

 

[SJ76]

That's the thing, I don't know how people can defend Urban.

He's had to have known about this since that time when Smith was a GA/QC at UF.

If you want to do Smith a solid and keep his stuff under wraps. Let him know that you (Meyer) are heading to Ohio State, but given that dude (Smith) can't stop treating his wife like a punching bag, that you can't have that around your program and have you mentoring and coaching kids.

Instead, Meyer's been taking Smith with him under his wing and ignoring that he abuses the crap out of his wife.

That’s pretty much it and anyone with common sense can see that.

 

[it'sHuskers4me]

The strong possibility that Courtney Smith sues the University because both employees (Urban and Shelley) did nothing but cover it up would be reason enough to fire Urban & Shelley Meyer to separate the University from the Meyers in the lawsuit. The University can claim no knowledge of the abuse and pin it all on Urban and Shelley.

Why Urban's wife?

As noted in McMurphy’s report, Shelley works as a registered nurse and as an instructor of Clinical Practice at the Ohio State University College of Nursing. Due to the nature of employment, she is bound by Title IX rules.

 

[Chewbaccer]

I despise Meyer significantly given that he's coached at two schools I absolutely loathe.

But it's foolish for anyone to argue that Meyer's not at the very least the 2nd best coach in college football today.

I might entertain an argument for Dabo being better since he's doing what he's doing at a non blue blood and has turned Clemson into a powerhouse. I wouldn't agree, but I'd entertain the argument, but other than that, nobody else is close to being in the conversation.