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[ehb5]

But we shouldn’t be talking blacks as a whole versus whites as a whole because the police typically deal with a very specific subset of the white and black population...unless you are saying there is no difference between a law abiding black person and a black criminal.

Look at the criminal populations and how they are dealt with.

Do blacks commit more crimes than white people? Let’s see if we can at least agree with this basic principle in this conversation.

Of course there's more to the picture. What i said was factually correct. Interpret that how you please.

 

[skinsdad62]

Soooo not a serious claim. Cool thats what i thought.

The head of the FBI likely tanked her campaign right before the election but somehow its a conspiracy against Trump.

all those pretty much prove a fix if you read the IG report . i suspect you didnt . i doubt he came close to tanking her campaign . the wiki leaks did her in along with failure to campaign in the swing states . the fact she didnt handle classified information properly did her in . her stated policies did her in

all those claims i made above are in fact , facts . i cant see why you would defend that behavior unless your trump hate blinds you. . all are verifiable . i suspect you dont know this because the MSM you claim you dont watch failed to inform you . your other , most likely liberal sources again failed you

the cold hard truth was HRC should have been indicted and sent to jail for what she did . foriegn enities hacked her server which in fact had classified material on them . the DNC hired questionable people to set up their servers . guys who have been arrested and charged .

i have handled classified material . I KNOW what she did was illegal but the common person buys the blatant lie . you dont destroy blackberries if you are innocent . you dont bleach bit emails ,you say are about a wedding, when they are under subpeona by the federal govt . and anyone buying that is either extremely naive or blinded by hate

we have been at this for 2 years and what do we have ? manafort under solitary confinement for an alleged crime that happened long before he was on the Trump campaign . mind you there is no need for this unless you are trying to coerce a confession .

we have carter page which nothing has come up on .

we have a fisa warrant granted under false pretenses bought and paid for by the opposing campaign and not corroborated by an independent source.

we have flynn who plead guilty to lying to the FBI (mainly because he was b roke and they threatened his son ) but again a procedural

we have 13 "indictments " of russians for meddling but that is more like a PR stunt . when they went to court , a move mueller didnt think they would do because they can be extadited in any case , he backed off that because he would have had to turn over his evidence , evidence he probably doesnt really have

the problem is you cant or wont connect the dots . innocent people dont do these things . investigations on the up and up dont do these things . HRC and obama got a lot of bad press about bengazi . . they wanted it to go away because HRC was the chosen replacement . they covered up and destroyed incriminating evidence and thought it would all be swept under the rug because they never thought trump would win

if mueller had any real evidence it would have been leaked to the press or brought forward to get Trump out long before he got to appoint 1 supreme court justice let alone 2 . i doubt he ever gets any evidence . its a big scam from day one and what has been coming out is the corruption of sr FBI and DOJ officials . dont worry though another IG report is coming and more of this corruption will be revealed

only this time there will be more evidence of the press's involvement in this . this is also starting to come out



again not one shred of evidence showing Trump colluded with anyone

 

[skinsdad62]

You're really gonna make me do the math man?

% of population that is white = 62%
% of people killed by cops that are white = 50%

% of people that are black = 13%
% of people killed by cops that are black = 25%

So in conclusion...i was right.

i doubt that , who commits vastly more crimes ? i have posted that already . . it is blacks . so if more white are being killed but they commit fewer crimes then who is actually shot at a higher % .

 

[skinsdad62]

Soooo not a serious claim. Cool thats what i thought.

The head of the FBI likely tanked her campaign right before the election but somehow its a conspiracy against Trump.

and exactly what evidence do you need ? there own words through e mails ? the dates of exhoneration letters and actual interviews ?

what about the evidence of changing 302's ? do you even know what they are ?

policeman dont dismiss charges , prosecutors do , that would be comey the cop and lynch the prosecutor

that is sure as hell more then any collusion crap being brought forth

 

[gkekoa]

Of course there's more to the picture. What i said was factually correct. Interpret that how you please.

I don’t dispute what you wrote as being factual.

I highly dispute the reason you would post it. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

 

[Sharkinva]

i doubt that , who commits vastly more crimes ? i have posted that already . . it is blacks . so if more white are being killed but they commit fewer crimes then who is actually shot at a higher % .

Opps

White supremacists' favorite myths about black crime rates take another hit from BJS study

The Justice Department’s statistics-crunching arm just blew up a whole stack of white-supremacist myths about the nature of interracial crime and violence committed by minorities.

In a report released Thursday titled Race and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders, 2012-2015, the DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics found that a majority of most violent crimes are committed by people who are the same race as their victims. Indeed, the rate of white-on-white violent crime, it found, is about four times the rate of black-on-white crime.

White supremacists frequently like to manipulate crime statistics in order to claim that nonwhite minorities, particularly African-Americans, are far more crime-prone and the source of most violent crime against whites. Indeed, it is a core belief that this is the case, and many white nationalist ideologues — including politician and pundit Patrick Buchanan, Jared Taylor of American Renaissance, and the Council of Conservative Citizens — all have made considerable hay out of proffering “studies” laden with risibly bad statistics and other evidence to make their case.

 

[skinsdad62]

Opps

White supremacists' favorite myths about black crime rates take another hit from BJS study

The Justice Department’s statistics-crunching arm just blew up a whole stack of white-supremacist myths about the nature of interracial crime and violence committed by minorities.

In a report released Thursday titled Race and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders, 2012-2015, the DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics found that a majority of most violent crimes are committed by people who are the same race as their victims. Indeed, the rate of white-on-white violent crime, it found, is about four times the rate of black-on-white crime.

White supremacists frequently like to manipulate crime statistics in order to claim that nonwhite minorities, particularly African-Americans, are far more crime-prone and the source of most violent crime against whites. Indeed, it is a core belief that this is the case, and many white nationalist ideologues — including politician and pundit Patrick Buchanan, Jared Taylor of American Renaissance, and the Council of Conservative Citizens — all have made considerable hay out of proffering “studies” laden with risibly bad statistics and other evidence to make their case.

what do those studies prove ? overall blacks commit more crimes . not because they are blacks , but because they do . hence they have more interactions with police which means they should die at a higher rate . they do not , whites die at a higher rate

 

[Sharkinva]

what do those studies prove ? overall blacks commit more crimes . not because they are blacks , but because they do . hence they have more interactions with police which means they should die at a higher rate . they do not , whites die at a higher rate

Overall Blacks are arrested and convicted more. The concept that Blacks commit more crimes is a statistical lie that as a non black, you are comfortable with. But I get it.. black bad, white good. Roll with it.

 

[gkekoa]

Opps

White supremacists' favorite myths about black crime rates take another hit from BJS study

The Justice Department’s statistics-crunching arm just blew up a whole stack of white-supremacist myths about the nature of interracial crime and violence committed by minorities.

In a report released Thursday titled Race and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders, 2012-2015, the DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics found that a majority of most violent crimes are committed by people who are the same race as their victims. Indeed, the rate of white-on-white violent crime, it found, is about four times the rate of black-on-white crime.

White supremacists frequently like to manipulate crime statistics in order to claim that nonwhite minorities, particularly African-Americans, are far more crime-prone and the source of most violent crime against whites. Indeed, it is a core belief that this is the case, and many white nationalist ideologues — including politician and pundit Patrick Buchanan, Jared Taylor of American Renaissance, and the Council of Conservative Citizens — all have made considerable hay out of proffering “studies” laden with risibly bad statistics and other evidence to make their case.

Again, we chalk this up to the theory of “no shit.”

Of course most crimes against whites are by other whites. It is true of every race.

I believe Dad is pointing out that more black men murder white men than a white men murder black men.

 

[Sharkinva]

Again, we chalk this up to the theory of “no shit.”

Of course most crimes against whites are by other whites. It is true of every race.

I believe Dad is pointing out that more black men murder white men than a white men murder black men.

NO sir.... I believe he just stated black people commit more crimes.

what do those studies prove ? overall blacks commit more crimes

 

[skinsdad62]

Overall Blacks are arrested and convicted more. The concept that Blacks commit more crimes is a statistical lie that as a non black, you are comfortable with. But I get it.. black bad, white good. Roll with it.

no that isnt what i am saying, the stats are there, by our govt . are you saying huge numbers are innocent ? are you saying huge numbers of whites are let go ?

is it like south african deception ?

you need to get past the fact that every white is all about supremacy. . there are perfectly good reasons why blacks commit more crimes .

and its what effects most people who commit crimes . family structure . the fact is 72% of black families are single parent homes . that is the number one factor in crime , stability at home . white people and ANY other color of people have higher rates of crime if stability at home isnt there

it hasnt nothing to do with black bad white good .

 

[skinsdad62]

NO sir.... I believe he just stated black people commit more crimes.

statistics say blacks commit more crimes , all crimes . so if you go by ratios of who commits crimes , whites are killed by police at higher rates .

i hope that clears it up

 

[gkekoa]

Overall Blacks are arrested and convicted more. The concept that Blacks commit more crimes is a statistical lie that as a non black, you are comfortable with. But I get it.. black bad, white good. Roll with it.

Except it isn’t a lie, unless you believe whites get released about 40% more or blacks are convicted for crimes they didn’t commit 40% more.

 

[Sharkinva]

statistics say blacks commit more crimes , all crimes . so if you go by ratios of who commits crimes , whites are killed by police at higher rates .

i hope that clears it up

There is a common conservative narrative that indicates the disproportionate incarceration of black people is not the result of systemic racism, but rather of shortcomings within the black community.

It is also common to hear the supposedly neutral statement that “black people commit more crimes than white people.” This “fact” is used to justify a belief that black people have a natural criminal propensity, or that a “culture of violence” is to blame for problems faced by black people in America.

Black people make up roughly 13% of the United States population, and white people make up 64%. Black people make up 40% of the prison population, and white people 39%. Therefore, even though there are roughly five times as many white people as black people in this country, blacks and whites are incarcerated in equal numbers. But the fact that black people are incarcerated five times as frequently as white people does not mean black people commit five times as many crimes. Here’s why:

Black Crime Rates: What Happens When Numbers Aren't Neutral | HuffPost

 

[ehb5]

all those pretty much prove a fix if you read the IG report . i suspect you didnt . i doubt he came close to tanking her campaign . the wiki leaks did her in along with failure to campaign in the swing states . the fact she didnt handle classified information properly did her in . her stated policies did her in

all those claims i made above are in fact , facts . i cant see why you would defend that behavior unless your trump hate blinds you. . all are verifiable . i suspect you dont know this because the MSM you claim you dont watch failed to inform you . your other , most likely liberal sources again failed you

the cold hard truth was HRC should have been indicted and sent to jail for what she did . foriegn enities hacked her server which in fact had classified material on them . the DNC hired questionable people to set up their servers . guys who have been arrested and charged .

i have handled classified material . I KNOW what she did was illegal but the common person buys the blatant lie . you dont destroy blackberries if you are innocent . you dont bleach bit emails ,you say are about a wedding, when they are under subpeona by the federal govt . and anyone buying that is either extremely naive or blinded by hate

we have been at this for 2 years and what do we have ? manafort under solitary confinement for an alleged crime that happened long before he was on the Trump campaign . mind you there is no need for this unless you are trying to coerce a confession .

we have carter page which nothing has come up on .

we have a fisa warrant granted under false pretenses bought and paid for by the opposing campaign and not corroborated by an independent source.

we have flynn who plead guilty to lying to the FBI (mainly because he was b roke and they threatened his son ) but again a procedural

we have 13 "indictments " of russians for meddling but that is more like a PR stunt . when they went to court , a move mueller didnt think they would do because they can be extadited in any case , he backed off that because he would have had to turn over his evidence , evidence he probably doesnt really have

the problem is you cant or wont connect the dots . innocent people dont do these things . investigations on the up and up dont do these things . HRC and obama got a lot of bad press about bengazi . . they wanted it to go away because HRC was the chosen replacement . they covered up and destroyed incriminating evidence and thought it would all be swept under the rug because they never thought trump would win

if mueller had any real evidence it would have been leaked to the press or brought forward to get Trump out long before he got to appoint 1 supreme court justice let alone 2 . i doubt he ever gets any evidence . its a big scam from day one and what has been coming out is the corruption of sr FBI and DOJ officials . dont worry though another IG report is coming and more of this corruption will be revealed

only this time there will be more evidence of the press's involvement in this . this is also starting to come out



again not one shred of evidence showing Trump colluded with anyone

Uh no. Thats not what it says at all. And yes i did read it. Did you?

Ive already posted a link showing he likely cost her the election.

No the claims you made were not factual. I corrected you and you have yet to provide any evidence defending your claims.

Im not sure why you think I watch the MSM when i have repeatedly told you i dont.

Yea maybe. She certainly wasnt smart and im sure she wasnt acting in good faith. Whether it was enough to put her in jail is pretty debateable at best.

The "common person" here isnt saying anything you think hes saying.

There have been other indictments and other events taking place. Obviously the investigation is still ongoing. Its ridiculous to expect the evidence to be out in the open right now. Just wait patiently like everybody else and see if they have found anything when the investigation is complete.

The fisa warrant was legal. It was not bought and paid for.

Or he didnt turn over his evidence because hes in the middle of an election and there are bigger fish to fry.

Did you really just pull every bs exuse in the world out to defend why trump is innocent and his investigation is a farce and then IMMEDIATELY follow that up by saying that i cant or wont connect the dots??? Do you not see the irony here? You are the only one not connecting the dots here man.

Well see. Thats the beauty of it though right? We can wait for the results of the investigation. Im fine with doing that. You however seem interested in discrediting the investigation and already have your mind made up for partisan reasons.

Dude. You cant expect there to be ecidence in the middle of the damn investigation. Just wait for the damn investigation to finish. If you're right, you'll still be right in however long it takes.

Also...once again ill point out. I asked you if you would defend Obama this passionately under the same circumstances and if he had done and said the same things as trump. I youve made the answer quite clear without actually saying it but instead of answering directly you went to the "but her emails!!". Because too many people in this country just want to throw the other side under the bus rather than ever objectively look in the mirror.

 

[ehb5]

i doubt that , who commits vastly more crimes ? i have posted that already . . it is blacks . so if more white are being killed but they commit fewer crimes then who is actually shot at a higher % .

Id love to know which of the numbers posted is wrong since you "doubt that".

 

[ehb5]

and exactly what evidence do you need ? there own words through e mails ? the dates of exhoneration letters and actual interviews ?

what about the evidence of changing 302's ? do you even know what they are ?

policeman dont dismiss charges , prosecutors do , that would be comey the cop and lynch the prosecutor

that is sure as hell more then any collusion crap being brought forth

and exactly what evidence do you need ? there own words through e mails ? the dates of exhoneration letters and actual interviews ?

what about the evidence of changing 302's ? do you even know what they are ?

policeman dont dismiss charges , prosecutors do , that would be comey the cop and lynch the prosecutor

that is sure as hell more then any collusion crap being brought forth

You can keep saying as many talk radio buzz words as you like it wont turn that into evidence of whatever it is you think happened.

 

[Sharkinva]

Id love to know which of the numbers posted is wrong since you "doubt that".

Come on man, isnt it obvious that because more black people are arrested and convicted, blacks commit more crimes?? Just like because more whites go to and graduate from college, whites are obviously more intelligent. And because some MExicans (read as Latinos) are a part of MS-13... well now all of them are potential MS-13 members.

 

[skinsdad62]

You can keep saying as many talk radio buzz words as you like it wont turn that into evidence of whatever it is you think happened.

then you are willfully being blind . those are a matter of record not some talking point buzzwords liberals like to throw out there when the evidence is right there in black and white

 

[gkekoa]

There is a common conservative narrative that indicates the disproportionate incarceration of black people is not the result of systemic racism, but rather of shortcomings within the black community.

It is also common to hear the supposedly neutral statement that “black people commit more crimes than white people.” This “fact” is used to justify a belief that black people have a natural criminal propensity, or that a “culture of violence” is to blame for problems faced by black people in America.

Black people make up roughly 13% of the United States population, and white people make up 64%. Black people make up 40% of the prison population, and white people 39%. Therefore, even though there are roughly five times as many white people as black people in this country, blacks and whites are incarcerated in equal numbers. But the fact that black people are incarcerated five times as frequently as white people does not mean black people commit five times as many crimes. Here’s why:

Black Crime Rates: What Happens When Numbers Aren't Neutral | HuffPost

Systemic racism...does it control your actions? The answer is no. You control you. It isn’t racism to enforce the law.

1- This is a good point. Now let me ask you this, if more crime is committed in urban areas, then shouldn’t it be policed more heavily, especially because there is more violence? This is a geographic issue...not race.

2- Socio-economic issue. Not race.

3- Race likely has little to do with it. Does the study take into consideration past record? Does it take into consideration courtroom demeanor? There could be racial bias here and that is why i am for standardized sentencing.