politics thread

[gkekoa]

Even if that were true (its not), that doesnt make the investigation unjust or illegal. What? The warrant is legal. One piece of the puzzle being (clearly) opposition research doesnt make a warrant illegal. Thats nonsense.

The warrant had no bearing? So again your choosing to go with your feelings over what the data and facts say.

Sure. but that doesnt mean illegal things didnt happena and doesnt mean that collusion should be tolerated in a presidential election.

Actually, if the investigation’s back bone and most of the important information was obtained by an illegal warrant, it most certainly does make it unjust.

Franks v Delaware...Therefore, if there is a preliminary showing that a police officer made false statements in the search warrant affidavit, either knowingly or intentionally or with reckless disregard for the truth, then a suppression hearing may be held. And if it is established during the suppression hearing that the police officer who requested the affidavit of probable cause committed perjury or a “reckless disregard for the truth” regarding a statement on which the probable cause finding was based, then the search warrant may be deemed invalid and any resulting physical evidence may be suppressed as “Fruit of the poisonous tree”.

Perjury is a crime.


It is against the Constitution to go on a fishing expedition for criminal activity. So you admit, collusion is not illegal? Is it Ok for us to interfere in foreign elections?

 

[gkekoa]

NO Trumps America is internment camps, travel bans based on religion, and maintaining the majority by what ever means.

Sorry but those are not internment camps. Define internment camp for me.

Show me where the travel ban mentions religion or how an entire religion is banned from entering the US under it.

Maintaining the majority by enforcing the law...sounds horrible.

 

[gkekoa]

1 - Has threatened the press and individual businesses. Praises dictators. Believes he can pardon himself. Asked for loyalty from FBI head. Im sure im forgetting a few things.

6 - if the law says you should throw all minorities out of the country and you do it - you think thats ok?

7 - Eh. Debatable. But im cool with cutting spending.

11 - Yup. And trump wants to limit all immigration.

1- What did he say exactly to threaten the press? What did he say exactly to individual businesses? What exactly did he say about the dictators? As the POTUS, he can theoretically pardon himself. Can the POTUS actually be charg3d with a crime? I am sure he would be impeached prior to any charges which would no longer make him POTUS and unable to impeach himself. What is wrong with asking for loyalty from those you command, as long as you not ask them to lie for you or break law?

6- Yes...if they go through the actual process of changing the US Constitution which would make the law lawful. Because as it is written today, that law would be unlawful.

11- So What is wrong with limiting all immigration? Is it illegal? Is it immoral? Or is it just something you disagree with?

 

[gkekoa]

Trumps travel ban is nothing more than a recruiting call for the Radical Islamists he so fears. All he (and apparently you) are saying is, if you arent Christian, you are not welcome in America. Fuck the constitution, freedom of religion means, you are free to be a Christian or Jew.. but otherwise.. you aint welcome

Except, their numbers are going down. Imagine that.

Is that what he is saying because I have never actually heard him say that?

Hmmm...I didn’t hear him say to limit US citizens from freely practicing their religion. I did hear Obama say that to Christians.

 

[gkekoa]

OK yes... We are great again


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...18a5030fb046c468e6f48/?utm_term=.a81a7db554ee

THE BIG IDEA: Half of Americans think the United States is in “real danger of becoming a nondemocratic, authoritarian country.” A majority, 55 percent, see democracy as “weak” — and 68 percent believe it is “getting weaker.” Eight in 10 Americans say they are either “very” or “somewhat” concerned about the condition of democracy here.

These are among the sobering results of a major bipartisan poll published Tuesday that was commissioned by the George W. Bush Institute, the University of Pennsylvania’s Biden Center and Freedom House, which tracks the vitality of democracies around the world. The three groups have partnered to create the Democracy Project, with the goal of monitoring the health of the American system.

“We hope this work can be a step toward restoring faith in democracy and democratic institutions,” Bush said in a statement.

Those half are called democrats. If any republican fears that, it is because we saw Obama rule by executive fiat. Trump has tried to get Congress to do their job though.

Democracy should be weak...we are a republic.

 

[Sharkinva]

Except, their numbers are going down. Imagine that.

Is that what he is saying because I have never actually heard him say that?

Hmmm...I didn’t hear him say to limit US citizens from freely practicing their religion. I did hear Obama say that to Christians.

Dude, he said we should ban ALL Muslims from entering the country at one point. ALL, not all foreign born.. All, period end of statement. MAking statements like Islam hates us... very telling as to how he feels about ISLAM, no qualifiers in his statement.

Mexico isnt sending us their best, they are SENDING their MS-13 Members and such.. .but again I know.. context.

Dude the level of cultish following this man has is disturbing. Because you will defend everything he says, any move he makes.

 

[skinsdad62]

has MS 13 members entered this country illegally ? yes , there are 6 countries that are on the same list obama had .

 

[gkekoa]

Dude, he said we should ban ALL Muslims from entering the country at one point. ALL, not all foreign born.. All, period end of statement. MAking statements like Islam hates us... very telling as to how he feels about ISLAM, no qualifiers in his statement.

Mexico isnt sending us their best, they are SENDING their MS-13 Members and such.. .but again I know.. context.

Dude the level of cultish following this man has is disturbing. Because you will defend everything he says, any move he makes.

Well you took the words literally. Most people do not think of US citizens being overseas needing to enter the country.

Actually, I would say statements such as Islam hates us, tells us more about how he feels Islam feels about us. I can’t imagine how he would come to that conclusion though. All those Muslim nation’s seem to love the US.

Mexico is not sending us their best. The best won’t come over illegally. They will come over legally because they want to fruits of their labor. There is no context there.

Again, I dislike Trump. I am just willing to judge him based on what he does...not what he says. I also don’t judge what he does on face value, such as these tariffs. I expect these tariffs are more about pressure to get other countries to reduce theirs. I was willing to do the same with Obama but policy wise, we were far too different for me to defend him.

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[Sharkinva]

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Dude I agree socialism is bad

But then again so are police state dictatorial tactics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ment-agents-showed-up/?utm_term=.59c5f3f561c7

 

[ehb5]

Actually, if the investigation’s back bone and most of the important information was obtained by an illegal warrant, it most certainly does make it unjust.

Franks v Delaware...Therefore, if there is a preliminary showing that a police officer made false statements in the search warrant affidavit, either knowingly or intentionally or with reckless disregard for the truth, then a suppression hearing may be held. And if it is established during the suppression hearing that the police officer who requested the affidavit of probable cause committed perjury or a “reckless disregard for the truth” regarding a statement on which the probable cause finding was based, then the search warrant may be deemed invalid and any resulting physical evidence may be suppressed as “Fruit of the poisonous tree”.

Perjury is a crime.


It is against the Constitution to go on a fishing expedition for criminal activity. So you admit, collusion is not illegal? Is it Ok for us to interfere in foreign elections?

Right but it wasnt sooo...

Huh?

What? Yes im "admitting" a fact?

And no probably not.

 

[ehb5]

1- What did he say exactly to threaten the press? What did he say exactly to individual businesses? What exactly did he say about the dictators? As the POTUS, he can theoretically pardon himself. Can the POTUS actually be charg3d with a crime? I am sure he would be impeached prior to any charges which would no longer make him POTUS and unable to impeach himself. What is wrong with asking for loyalty from those you command, as long as you not ask them to lie for you or break law?

6- Yes...if they go through the actual process of changing the US Constitution which would make the law lawful. Because as it is written today, that law would be unlawful.

11- So What is wrong with limiting all immigration? Is it illegal? Is it immoral? Or is it just something you disagree with?

1 - Press is the enemy of the people. Network news has become so partisan, distorted and fake that licenses must be challenged and, if appropriate, revoked. And constantly shouts the idea that any news he doesnt like or that is critical of him is fake news.

If you're ok him pardoning himself you're ok with him being above the law, which is...pretty dictatorial.

Because the fbi shouldn't be loyal to trump over the country.

6 - oh boy

11 - it's harmful to our country. Thats what started this whole shebang. Trump parades a lot of bad ideas out with little justification and claims theyre making america great again and that democrats are evil so half the country jumps on board.

 

[gkekoa]

Right but it wasnt sooo...

Huh?

What? Yes im "admitting" a fact?

And no probably not.

There is no way to know how much infor was from the information Hillary bought...at least for us.

Franks v Delaware...it is a crime to suppress information in an affidavit.

A fishing expedition is unconstitutional. Collision is not illegal. And the US interferes in others elections all the time...look at Obama and Israel in particular.

 

[Sharkinva]

Right but it wasnt sooo...

Huh?

What? Yes im "admitting" a fact?

And no probably not.

IM still wondering, if Trump did nothing wrong.... why is he so desperate for this probe to end? Why is he exerting mob boss powers and having his minions try and squash the investigation??

Can you imagine the outrage we would have seen if Obama had fired Comey and then had the audacity to admit, he did it because of the Clinton investigations??

 

[ehb5]

There is no way to know how much infor was from the information Hillary bought...at least for us.

Franks v Delaware...it is a crime to suppress information in an affidavit.

A fishing expedition is unconstitutional. Collision is not illegal. And the US interferes in others elections all the time...look at Obama and Israel in particular.

True! Soooo... stop saying it's an illegal warrant maybe? But that wouldn't fit your partisan leanings so you can't do that.

Am i missing something here?

And this last part i don't even know what your point is honestly.

 

[Sharkinva]

A fishing expedition is unconstitutional. Collision is not illegal. And the US interferes in others elections all the time...look at Obama and Israel in particular.

Dude.. seriously.. how long does the look at what Obama Card last for?? And how does Obama did this, justify Trump upping the Anti??

 

[ehb5]

IM still wondering, if Trump did nothing wrong.... why is he so desperate for this probe to end? Why is he exerting mob boss powers and having his minions try and squash the investigation??

Can you imagine the outrage we would have seen if Obama had fired Comey and then had the audacity to admit, he did it because of the Clinton investigations??

Thats the part that gets me.

@gkekoa @Skins2021 @skinsdad62 @HTTR08

If Russia interfered with our elections to help obama, Obama's campaign had ties to russia, obama was being investigated for those ties and obama was threatening to fire the people leading that investigation, obama was praising dictators and calling the press the enemy of the people, and saying that worst case he could just pardon himself...

Are you telling me you WOULDN'T be outraged at all that and calling for his removal from office?

(Keep in mind i didn't mention policy once in the above)

 

[gkekoa]

1 - Press is the enemy of the people. Network news has become so partisan, distorted and fake that licenses must be challenged and, if appropriate, revoked. And constantly shouts the idea that any news he doesnt like or that is critical of him is fake news.

If you're ok him pardoning himself you're ok with him being above the law, which is...pretty dictatorial.

Because the fbi shouldn't be loyal to trump over the country.

6 - oh boy

11 - it's harmful to our country. Thats what started this whole shebang. Trump parades a lot of bad ideas out with little justification and claims theyre making america great again and that democrats are evil so half the country jumps on board.

1- I am not sure how that is threatening the press with anything other than what is appropriate. The press cannot go around putting out information that is wrong about people. That is libel. If guilty of putting out fake news, that lisence should be challenged, and if appropriate revoked. Much of the news being put out is FAKE.

Where did I say I am OK with him pardoning himself? I said technically he can. The problem is he can’t. You can’t pardon a person for a crime when the crime has never been charged. So if he were guilty of a crime, he would be impeached, then the charges brought, and he would be unable. I want all politicians to be held to a higher standard, not a lower one according to law. I think they should all be investigated.

Who said loyal to Trump over the country? I want the FBI to do their job and not go after a sitting POTUS or candidate without credible information.


11- You believe it is harmful to the nation. That doesn’t make it so.

 

[skinsdad62]

Thats the part that gets me.

@gkekoa @Skins2021 @skinsdad62 @HTTR08

If Russia interfered with our elections to help obama, Obama's campaign had ties to russia, obama was being investigated for those ties and obama was threatening to fire the people leading that investigation, obama was praising dictators and calling the press the enemy of the people, and saying that worst case he could just pardon himself...

Are you telling me you WOULDN'T be outraged at all that and calling for his removal from office?

(Keep in mind i didn't mention policy once in the above)

everyone has ties ebb . just because you do/did business with them doesnt make you guilty of a crime.praising dictators isnt a crime either . sorry to burst your bubble but in the real world countries have to talk/negotiate with dictators

the press has been acting like the enemy . what do you call slanting coverage one way , pushing agendas the people dont want and constantly attacking the duly elected president

do you honestly think russia hasnt meddlde in our elections since 1917 ? do you honestly think russia/ n vietnam didnt have agents in those Vietnam protests ?

show me evidence of a crime ? almost 2 years and no evidence of anything from trump did .

the premise of your question is wrong

what you should be asking is do i want my president not knowing how to handle classified information? people like me who have handled classified information know she is lying and KNOW if we did the same thing we would be in jail . does a known Trump hater get to alter wording in such a manner as to protect his favorite candidate and having her avoid charges ? and it gets to be called credible ? peter strozk did that , he was the lead investigator in the clinton case and then joined the mueller team . he said he would STOP DJT from being elected and he had an insurance policy to keep him from taking office . only someone who is a hater or totally naive would argue that is on the up and up

should my president be held accountable for bleach bitting 30000 subpoened emails . do innocent people destroy cell phones under subpeona ?

does one candidate get to rig a primary election against another ?

should justice be handled equally ? do you exonerate a suspect BEFORE she is interviewed ? do you give immunity to people surrounding one campaign but fail to do the same to the other ?

does a fair press give one campaign the questions to a debate but not the other ? should one candidate have to debate alleged moderators as well as the opposing candidate ? does a fair press get focus all its stories to about a 90% negative and 10 % positive and not be told its extremely biased ?

does a press get to use photos from their favorite president time period and pass them off as the current ones and be called credible ?

do you allow lead inspectors to investigate their favorite candidate , then turn around and let the investigate the guy they hate and expect fairness ?

should the FBI and the DOJ be allowed to rig elections ? . should a sitting president be allowed to spy on an opposition candidates campaign without probable cause . should anyone in law enforce be allowed to lie or cover-up information when applying for a fisa warrant

this "investigation" is turning up this and if you watched news other then the MSM 24-7 you would have know about this 18 months ago . or else you just dont like trump and dont care how you get rid of him . but be careful because the same tactics can be used against someone you like

 

[gkekoa]

IM still wondering, if Trump did nothing wrong.... why is he so desperate for this probe to end? Why is he exerting mob boss powers and having his minions try and squash the investigation??

Can you imagine the outrage we would have seen if Obama had fired Comey and then had the audacity to admit, he did it because of the Clinton investigations??

My guess would be after two years of investigation, he knows people are being unjustly harassed. My guess is...he has something they could find because we all do.

Who are his minions? What powers is he exerting?

The difference is...we all know Hillary is guilty because we all knew the evidence. Hell, Xomey admitted she was guilty.