When will Lebron pass Jordan?

[MikeMed]

Right now Lebron James chip losses are being held against him cuz MJ never lost one..........However I think if he can somehow match MJ's 6 then they will begin to count as a positive and he will overtake the 1 spot.
I am not saying that championships decide how good you are but that is how the sports media is judging it currently.

 

[GNG]

Really?

Because many of the guys you have him ranked ahead of averaged more points per game, were better defenders and better playmakers.

Using career scoring as justification for a guy who has played 20 seasons is homerish at best.

Dirk is a great player. But no chance he is top 10 all time, let alone top 5. He might not even be top 20.

It's just my opinion.

 

[tlance]

It's just my opinion.

That is fine,

But some opinions are so biased that they are incorrect. This would be an example. there is no rational justification to support your opinion.

His resume is strong (1 title, 1 MVP, 1 Finals MVP, 4 1st team all NBA)

But for a guy who scoring is his best skill, he doesn't have a scoring title under his belt and his career best season he averaged 26.8.

Great player, but not all time great. At least not when compared to the very best who have double figure 1st team all NBA selections, multiple MVP awards and multiple Finals MVPs to go along with scoring titles, all defensive teams and other accolades Dirk never sniffed.

 

[GNG]

That is fine,

But some opinions are so biased that they are incorrect. This would be an example. there is no rational justification to support your opinion.

Sports like music and entertainment is subjective. One man's treasure is another man's trash. Your opinion is no better than my opinion despite what you may think.

 

[tlance]

Sports like music and entertainment is subjective. One man's treasure is another man's trash. Your opinion is no better than my opinion despite what you may think.

Yes and no.

If I said I thought James Harden was the greatest player ever, you and everyone else here would not respect my opinion and rightly so.

You are entitled to believe what you want, but when it is way out there people will discount what you have to say on other topics too.

 

[GNG]

Yes and no.

If I said I thought James Harden was the greatest player ever, you and everyone else here would not respect my opinion.

I respect anyone's opinion. We all have differing opinions on a variety of issues. Try to keep an open mind.

 

[msgkings322]

Sports like music and entertainment is subjective. One man's treasure is another man's trash. Your opinion is no better than my opinion despite what you may think.

But sports has numbers and metrics, music and movies don't. You can definitively say player A scored more than player B, and won more titles, and got more assists, etc. So opinions matter when comparing greats, but you can't say Nick 'Swaggy P' Young is an all time great because it's my opinion, when there's not even a hint of numbers to back it up. I mean, I guess you can but you would sound retarded.

 

[GNG]

So opinions matter when comparing greats, but you can't say Nick 'Swaggy P' Young is an all time great because it's my opinion, when there's not even a hint of numbers to back it up.

I've got the numbers to backup Dirk as a top five all time player. Because some folks here disagree with my opinion means very little to me.

 

[msgkings322]

I've got the numbers to backup Dirk as a top five all time player. Because some folks here disagree with my opinion means very little to me.

As your take means very little to them. It's just arguing about sports.

Also, you don't really have the numbers. There are many more than 5 players with better numbers than Dirk. Unless you only look at points scored, and then we're back to being retarded.

 

[GNG]

As your take means very little to them. It's just arguing about sports.

Exactly.

 

[DJ]

Dirk is a top 5 player all time? LOL.

Please list those numbers that back up your argument.....you won't because they exist only in your head.

Same person that says Dirk is better than Kobe and anybody that knows basketball knows he isn't.

 

[DJ]

That is fine,

But some opinions are so biased that they are incorrect. This would be an example. there is no rational justification to support your opinion.

His resume is strong (1 title, 1 MVP, 1 Finals MVP, 4 1st team all NBA)

But for a guy who scoring is his best skill, he doesn't have a scoring title under his belt and his career best season he averaged 26.8.

Great player, but not all time great. At least not when compared to the very best who have double figure 1st team all NBA selections, multiple MVP awards and multiple Finals MVPs to go along with scoring titles, all defensive teams and other accolades Dirk never sniffed.

This.

I'd say he's maybe top 25 but not even top 20. And anybody that thinks he's top 5 is a delusional homer.

 

[DJ]

1 - Kareem Abdul Jabbar
2 - Wilt Chamberlain
3 - Michael Jordan
4 - LeBron James
5 - Dirk Nowitzki

Dirk over Magic?

 

[msgkings322]

Dirk over Magic?

Dirk over Magic, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem, Bird, etc. Let him have his fun, it's adorable.

 

[GNG]

Dirk over Magic?

Why not?

 

[GNG]

Dirk over Magic, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem, Bird, etc. Let him have his fun, it's adorable.

That's your opinion and you know what they say about opinions?

 

[msgkings322]

That's your opinion and you know what they say about opinions?

That mine is better than yours?

 

[GNG]

Dirk is a top 5 player all time? LOL.

Please list those numbers that back up your argument.....you won't because they exist only in your head.

Dirk is 6th in scoring all time. Magic didn't even crack the top 20.

 

[GNG]

That mine is better than yours?

No, assholes are like opinions because everybody has one.

 

[msgkings322]

No, assholes are like opinions because everybody has one.

Actually it's YOUR opinion that Dirk is greater than Magic, Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Bird, Russell....

I think that's darling.