Should the SEC adopt a 9 game conference schedule?

[Rolltide94]

I don't care if they drop the FCS opponent or not. I'd just like to see the SEC play as many P5 opponents on average as the rest of the Power 5 conferences play.

Neither the ACC nor the SEC has a team rated with 40 spots of Illinois, Oregon St or Kansas. In fact, the B1G and B12, have a 2nd team (Rutgers and Baylor) rated below the lowest ACC or SEC team.

I would argue that the only place you are playing a 9th P5 team is in your mind. These teams are not at the level of a good G5, let alone a bad one.

Every Strength of Schedule measurement show this to be true, which is the reason that there are two SEC teams in the playoff and no Pac-12.

But go ahead, cry 9th conference game. We are perfectly happy to grab the playoff spots we EARNED and your tears are delicious.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Neither the ACC nor the SEC has a team rated with 40 spots of Illinois, Oregon St or Kansas. In fact, the B1G and B12, have a 2nd team (Rutgers and Baylor) rated below the lowest ACC or SEC team.

I would argue that the only place you are playing a 9th P5 team is in your mind. These teams are not at the level of a good G5, let alone a bad one.

Every Strength of Schedule measurement show this to be true, which is the reason that there are two SEC teams in the playoff and no Pac-12.

But go ahead, cry 9th conference game. We are perfectly happy to grab the playoff spots we EARNED and your tears are delicious.

Cut the crap. The SEC Least is pure flat out garbage ... other than UGA atm.

 

[Rolltide94]

Cut the crap. The SEC Least is pure flat out garbage ... other than UGA atm.

Have you looked at the bottom 2/3 of the Pac lately.

The SEC least has OOC wins over Kansas St, Georgia Tech and NC State....not counting Georgia's win over Notre Dame.

The Pac-12 South has USC's OT win over Texas and UCLA's 30 point miracle over Texas A&M.

Which one is flat out garbage again...it's hard to tell.

 

[Chewbaccer]

We're playing against each other?

SportsHoopla cash bet when it goes down.

Here in a few years. None of the players that will play in the game are even in high school yet.

 

[DJ]

Here in a few years. None of the players that will play in the game are even in high school yet.

Oh okay.....4-5?

 

[DJ]

Here in a few years. None of the players that will play in the game are even in high school yet.

Just checked it out....2025 and 2026. Hell, I could be logging onto tHoop from Heaven by then.

 

[NolePride]

But I'm interested in the motives behind why they do so. I think the most prevelant reason is because the vast majority of the P5 schools don't want to lose a home game every other year if they made agreements with other P5 teams. Neither wants to give up an extra home game. They'd rather force their fans to watch a G5 or FCS opponent they don't have to return a trip for. Occasionally, they agree to a 2 for 1 with a G5...but only if they have to. P5 biggies don't want any away games except for conference games.

I think their motives for scheduling G5/FCS are more home games and bowl eligibility more than worrying about their record. I'd place that one third in order.

I would say it is a combination of factors, and the factors vary depending on the level/quality of
teams within the league.

For the Vandy's and Duke's of the world...it is about getting them bowl eligible. It is about getting
them an extra home game/money. Vandy in 2016, was brilliant in their OOC scheduling. vs Mid Tenn,
@ Ga Tech, @ WKU, vs Tenn St. Farthest away game was Tech, less than 300 miles. They could save
100grand by bussing down. (4 hours Police escort). @ Western is a 50 mile drive. M Tenn is 60 south
and Tenn St is also located in Nashville. That greatly reduces the guarantees you have to make because
those teams have no travel expenses.

For the contenders, you are placing some teams at a huge disadvantage. 5 away conf games
vs only 4 home conf games. That's a big disadvantage. These large leagues already have unbalanced
schedules in that they don't play everybody in the league. I gotta tell ya...If Mich draws Whisky from
the other Div this year and Ohio St draws Illinois, and then OSU/UM play the next week...The Bucks just got a huge edge. Mich is in a dog fight, using up emotion, that doesn't grow on trees and Ohio St is playing
a team that has a less chance of making the playoffs than Mercer.

The Big10, imo, went to a 9th conf game to keep from being exposed, yet improve their s.o.s. Because they
damn well didn't want to take on the big boys from the other P5 leagues...not in multiple games.
The opener is always fine. You've got 9 months to prepare...that should be adequate. The other one
is a different story.

The only true Champion in CFB, the last few years has been the Big12. They play everybody in the
league. They were forced to go to a title game. Why? They were nuts to cave to that.

The only folks I see arguing on this thread that have solid ground to stand on is the USC folks.
During the current 4-year run of the playoff system and the 16 year run of the BCS system,
they played 46 reg season OOC games vs teams from the other BCS/P5 leagues. That's almost
averaging 2 a year. Florida State is 2nd with 45 games. The closest Big10 team is Iowa with
34. I don't see where the Big10 has any argument to make.

They have always dodged big games with the best of them.

The entire thread is nonsense. With every post it is sounding more and more like a bunch of butt hurt Democrats.

What's the next post gonna be..."Impeach Saban?"

Just give them a call...they'll play you to start the season, somewhere in the middle.
But...if you ain't gonna make the phone call...you don't have a right to bitch.

 

[Deep Creek]

The only folks I see arguing on this thread that have solid ground to stand on is the USC folks.
During the current 4-year run of the playoff system and the 16 year run of the BCS system,
they played 46 reg season OOC games vs teams from the other BCS/P5 leagues. That's almost
averaging 2 a year. Florida State is 2nd with 45 games. The closest Big10 team is Iowa with
34. I don't see where the Big10 has any argument to make.

That's some damn good info right there. Very telling.

 

[7Samurai13]

I would say it is a combination of factors, and the factors vary depending on the level/quality of
teams within the league.

For the Vandy's and Duke's of the world...it is about getting them bowl eligible. It is about getting
them an extra home game/money. Vandy in 2016, was brilliant in their OOC scheduling. vs Mid Tenn,
@ Ga Tech, @ WKU, vs Tenn St. Farthest away game was Tech, less than 300 miles. They could save
100grand by bussing down. (4 hours Police escort). @ Western is a 50 mile drive. M Tenn is 60 south
and Tenn St is also located in Nashville. That greatly reduces the guarantees you have to make because
those teams have no travel expenses.

For the contenders, you are placing some teams at a huge disadvantage. 5 away conf games
vs only 4 home conf games. That's a big disadvantage. These large leagues already have unbalanced
schedules in that they don't play everybody in the league. I gotta tell ya...If Mich draws Whisky from
the other Div this year and Ohio St draws Illinois, and then OSU/UM play the next week...The Bucks just got a huge edge. Mich is in a dog fight, using up emotion, that doesn't grow on trees and Ohio St is playing
a team that has a less chance of making the playoffs than Mercer.

The Big10, imo, went to a 9th conf game to keep from being exposed, yet improve their s.o.s. Because they
damn well didn't want to take on the big boys from the other P5 leagues...not in multiple games.
The opener is always fine. You've got 9 months to prepare...that should be adequate. The other one
is a different story.

The only true Champion in CFB, the last few years has been the Big12. They play everybody in the
league. They were forced to go to a title game. Why? They were nuts to cave to that.

The only folks I see arguing on this thread that have solid ground to stand on is the USC folks.
During the current 4-year run of the playoff system and the 16 year run of the BCS system,
they played 46 reg season OOC games vs teams from the other BCS/P5 leagues. That's almost
averaging 2 a year. Florida State is 2nd with 45 games. The closest Big10 team is Iowa with
34. I don't see where the Big10 has any argument to make.

They have always dodged big games with the best of them.

The entire thread is nonsense. With every post it is sounding more and more like a bunch of butt hurt Democrats.

What's the next post gonna be..."Impeach Saban?"

Just give them a call...they'll play you to start the season, somewhere in the middle.
But...if you ain't gonna make the phone call...you don't have a right to bitch.

Ummm we scheduled Alabama and they dodged us to play whores like you and USC.

 

[The Oldtimer]

But I'm interested in the motives behind why they do so. I think the most prevelant reason is because the vast majority of the P5 schools don't want to lose a home game every other year if they made agreements with other P5 teams. Neither wants to give up an extra home game. They'd rather force their fans to watch a G5 or FCS opponent they don't have to return a trip for. Occasionally, they agree to a 2 for 1 with a G5...but only if they have to. P5 biggies don't want any away games except for conference games.

I think their motives for scheduling G5/FCS are more home games and bowl eligibility more than worrying about their record. I'd place that one third in order.

Well then kudos to Auburn for scheduling a home and home series with Penn State in 2021/2022 and Cal in 2023/2024.

 

[4down20]

Ummm we scheduled Alabama and they dodged us to play whores like you and USC.

Thank god, it would have killed our SoS.

 

[4down20]

Well then kudos to Auburn for scheduling a home and home series with Penn State in 2021/2022 and Cal in 2023/2024.

Neutral sites are by invite. If you don't get invited, you have no choice but to schedule home and homes.

Very few turn them down when offered.

 

[7Samurai13]

Thank god, it would have killed our SoS.

Last year definitely. This year Sagarin’s has us slightly better than FSU. I have no idea what your BrosephBroBois rankings has us at.

 

[4down20]

Last year definitely. This year Sagarin’s has us slightly better than FSU. I have no idea what your BrosephBroBois rankings has us at.

About even with FSU rank wise, but a larger gap than I expected in the raw number.

#36 FSU
#41 Michigan St

With FSU, they suffered the big loss at QB kind of still helps the argument. But Michigan St with a better record probably looks better in many people's eyes.

 

[Kaplony]

Neutral sites are by invite. If you don't get invited, you have no choice but to schedule home and homes.

Very few turn them down when offered.

Clemson and Auburn did. Supposedly the folks in Atlanta were gauging the interest between the schools when the schools decided to just do a home & home.

 

[4down20]

Clemson and Auburn did. Supposedly the folks in Atlanta were gauging the interest between the schools when the schools decided to just do a home & home.

Well, Alabama got Atlanta this year, so thanks!

 

[Kaplony]

Well, Alabama got Atlanta this year, so thanks!

Congrats!

We make more money with the home & home

 

[trojanfan12]

But I'm interested in the motives behind why they do so. I think the most prevelant reason is because the vast majority of the P5 schools don't want to lose a home game every other year if they made agreements with other P5 teams. Neither wants to give up an extra home game. They'd rather force their fans to watch a G5 or FCS opponent they don't have to return a trip for. Occasionally, they agree to a 2 for 1 with a G5...but only if they have to. P5 biggies don't want any away games except for conference games.

In all honesty, I think this is pretty much the main reason. I also think the guaranteed win is why they do it as well, especially with the November games vs. those types of teams.

While I don't think any P5 team should ever be scheduling FCS teams, I have no issue with scheduling a cupcake or 2 in September as sort of a "pre-season" since cfb doesn't have a pre-season. Plus, from what I understand, in some states, pressure is put on the P5 teams by the state legislature (who control some of the money those schools get) to play in state FCS schools.

I do have an issue with those types of teams being scheduled in November though. That can't be seen as anything other than an attempt to preserve a teams record and have a de facto bye week when virtually every other team is putting their record at risk by playing teams that actually have a chance to beat them.

 

[Kaplony]

In all honesty, I think this is pretty much the main reason. I also think the guaranteed win is why they do it as well, especially with the November games vs. those types of teams.

While I don't think any P5 team should ever be scheduling FCS teams, I have no issue with scheduling a cupcake or 2 in September as sort of a "pre-season" since cfb doesn't have a pre-season. Plus, from what I understand, in some states, pressure is put on the P5 teams by the state legislature (who control some of the money those schools get) to play in state FCS schools.

I do have an issue with those types of teams being scheduled in November though. That can't be seen as anything other than an attempt to preserve a teams record and have a de facto bye week when virtually every other team is putting their record at risk by playing teams that actually have a chance to beat them.

But doesn't it balance out when the teams that do play a FCS late play a big game early in the season? Yes Clemson played The Citadel in it's last home game, but in week 2 we played Auburn, week 3 we played @ Louisville, week 3 we played BC and week 4 we played @ Virginia Tech. By week 4 of the season we had already played three ranked teams, two of them on the road.

 

[4down20]

Congrats!

We make more money with the home & home

You don't, unless Atlanta isn't paying you what it does Alabama which I doubt is the case in a meaningful amount.

Neutral sites = paid every year while Home and Home = paid every other year.

So in your home year, you probably make more money. But then the next year you don't. 2 years of neutral sites ends up being a good bit more money.

Michigan St turned it down and their AD cited local business revenue as the reason.