POLL Realistic Playoff Scenario: Who gets the #4 Spot?

[kburjr]

I think that the CCG should be considered play-in games. You lose, you are out. Take the best 4 of the 5 conferences. This year, the PAC12 is out already.

 

[Yo Tee]

Also, if Oklahoma doesn't win the Big 12 title, there are no Big 12 or Pac 12 teams in the playoff. There will end up being 2 ACC or SEC teams in the playoff at that point.

 

[Across The Field]

I think that the CCG should be considered play-in games. You lose, you are out. Take the best 4 of the 5 conferences. This year, the PAC12 is out already.

I'm not a fan of that. Look at this year. Say OSU loses to michigan and beats Wisconsin. OSU is a 10-3 conference champ. Stanford beats USC, and they're a 9-4 conference champ. Then Bama loses a close game to UGA. Who gets the final playoff spot? These are not crazy possibilities, either. No chance you put Stanford or OSU in over Bama in this scenario.

 

[Voltaire26]

only one loss now and gt and bama left, so you saying gt to win is a lock?

My bad ... I thought they already had two losses.

 

[tducey]

Miami for me. Wisconsin would be a proverbial #5 IMO.

 

[Voltaire26]

I'm a 4 team kind of guy.

If it ended today, you would have the following Matchups

#1 Alabama vs #8 Notre Dame
#2 Clemson vs #7 UGA
#3 Miami vs #6 Auburn
#4 Oklahoma vs #5 Wisconsin

I'm not trying to ruffle the feathers of our resident snowflakes, but only one game looks like it could be good to me. And that's Miami vs Auburn. I think Bama would win comfortably, along with Auburn and Oklahoma.

On the flip side, if you just did 4, every matchup would just be stellar.

Sadly though, the NCAA just cares about money and so they will like go to 8, then 16, then 32, and finish with each team playing 10 regular season games so we can have a 64 team playoff.

8 teams and you don't have to screw with the regular season schedule ... still a lot of football left ... if undefeated Central Florida should be able to fit in an 8 team playoff.

 

[Mike A. S.]

Assuming this scenario means Ohio State beat Wisconsin for the B1G title, Ohio State SHOULD get the last playoff spot. If Wisconsin beats Ohio State, I can't see them not being in the playoff.

Then shouldn't Penn State have gotten in over Ohio State last year? They'd also be 2-loss conference champ with a H2H victory over the 1-loss team.

 

[Across The Field]

Then shouldn't Penn State have gotten in over Ohio State last year? They'd also be 2-loss conference champ with a H2H victory over the 1-loss team.

How are you still not understanding the dramatic differences between Penn State/Ohio State last year and Ohio State/Wisconsin this year? I've already explained it clear as day, what is so difficult for you?

 

[Yo Tee]

Then shouldn't Penn State have gotten in over Ohio State last year? They'd also be 2-loss conference champ with a H2H victory over the 1-loss team.

Penn State should've 1000% gotten in over Ohio State last year. But by putting Ohio State in the playoff over Penn State, the committee showed that conference championships really don't matter that much.

 

[Yo Tee]

How are you still not understanding the dramatic differences between Penn State/Ohio State last year and Ohio State/Wisconsin this year? I've already explained it clear as day, what is so difficult for you?

He doesn't agree, man. It's okay lol.

 

[Mike A. S.]

How are you still not understanding the dramatic differences between Penn State/Ohio State last year and Ohio State/Wisconsin this year? I've already explained it clear as day, what is so difficult for you?

Wisconsin doesn't deserve to make the playoff this year, I totally agree. Even if they're undefeated I don't think they should be considered a lock, because their schedule is so awful I can smell it from here. So with a loss they especially don't deserve it. My point is OSU didn't deserve it last year, and if you can make a realistic argument that they did deserve it then the logic used to say they should've been in last year would be the same logic to say they shouldn't this year. It has to be one way or the other. Either they deserved it last year but not this year or vice versa. You can't realistically say they deserve it both years.

 

[Across The Field]

Penn State should've 1000% gotten in over Ohio State last year. But by putting Ohio State in the playoff over Penn State, the committee showed that conference championships really don't matter that much.

11 of 12 playoff teams have won a conference title. This is just fundamentally untrue.

 

[Yo Tee]

11 of 12 playoff teams have won a conference title. This is just fundamentally untrue.

They chose a team that the conference champ had beaten over the conference champion to make the playoff. Last year, my statement was true and can't be argued otherwise. You're a buckeye fan so you won't see it without bias, but Penn State should've been in the playoff last year.

 

[Across The Field]

Wisconsin doesn't deserve to make the playoff this year, I totally agree. Even if they're undefeated I don't think they should be considered a lock, because their schedule is so awful I can smell it from here. So with a loss they especially don't deserve it. My point is OSU didn't deserve it last year, and if you can make a realistic argument that they did deserve it then the logic used to say they should've been in last year would be the same logic to say they shouldn't this year. It has to be one way or the other. Either they deserved it last year but not this year or vice versa. You can't realistically say they deserve it both years.

You can, because 2016 =/= 2017. Teams are different, outcomes are different. 2017 Wisconsin with 1 loss would be a FAR cry from 2016 Ohio State with one loss. That's the key point here. If all you are saying that matters is number of losses, then UCF should be a lock right now over everyone outside of Bama and Miami.

You have to actually look at the teams, who they beat, and how they performed throughout the year. Going into the final playoff rankings last year, OSU was ranked #2. Their only loss was on a complete fluke play on the road against a top 5 team in a game that they had otherwise completely dominated. Other than that, they had 3 ranked wins (2 of those also being on the road) along with an offense and defense that were both top 10.

On the other hand, 2017 Wisconsin would feature one game against a top 10 team, and they would have lost it. They wouldn't have 3 top 10 wins. I think they'd end up with 1 or 2 ranked wins overall. While they have a top 10 defense, they do not have a top 10 offense. This is why they'd be left out, not to mention the fact that OSU would have two other ranked wins better than Wisconsin's best win.

 

[7Samurai13]

11 of 12 playoff teams have won a conference title. This is just fundamentally untrue.

And the one who made it without it, the big argument for them was they had one loss not two. So head to head was meaningless and conference championships were meaningless. It was all about one loss vs two. Are you also forgetting all the bullshit earlier this year about how Obio State should be ranked above Oklahoma despite the fact that OU are OSU’s lunch at the beginning of the season? Now we should believe head to head has to matter because it would be OSU on the short end of the stick?

 

[Across The Field]

They chose a team that the conference champ had beaten over the conference champion to make the playoff. Last year, my statement was true and can't be argued otherwise. You're a buckeye fan so you won't see it without bias, but Penn State should've been in the playoff last year.

Is this 2016? No. It's also not 2014 or 2015, when only conference champs made it. It's alarming how bad some of you are at realizing that every season and every scenario isn't the same from year to year. It actually takes a level of analysis.

 

[Across The Field]

And the one who made it without it, the big argument for them was they had one loss not two. So head to head was meaningless and conference championships were meaningless. It was all about one loss vs two. Are you also forgetting all the bullshit earlier this year about how Obio State should be ranked above Oklahoma despite the fact that OU are OSU’s lunch at the beginning of the season? Now we should believe head to head has to matter because it would be OSU on the short end of the stick?

Again, this is just untrue.

Your entire post completely lacks substance and reason.

 

[7Samurai13]

Is this 2016? No. It's also not 2014 or 2015, when only conference champs made it. It's alarming how bad some of you are at realizing that every season and every scenario isn't the same from year to year. It actually takes a level of analysis.

So basically we should always change it to whatever gets Ohio State into the playoffs? When did you become an SEC fan?

 

[Mike A. S.]

Is this 2016? No. It's also not 2014 or 2015, when only conference champs made it. It's alarming how bad some of you are at realizing that every season and every scenario isn't the same from year to year. It actually takes a level of analysis.

Yep, like some years it benefits Ohio State to reward a 2-loss team and some years it benefits them to reward a 1-loss team. So every year is different indeed.

 

[Across The Field]

So basically we should always change it to whatever gets Ohio State into the playoffs? When did you become an SEC fan?

I never said anything like that or even inferred that. You're acting like an angry child and not a rational adult.