Martellus Bennett ranks Rodgers ahead of Brady

[Dude]

The only problem with this, is it doesn't take into account strength of schedule for each season.

I doubt it would change the numbers much, because the teams of each division usually play the same teams from other divisions each year.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I doubt it would change the numbers much, because the teams of each division usually play the same teams from other divisions each year.

Well that's not true. Teams play their division (6) games, division within conference (4), outside conference (4) on a rotational basis and then (2) games from other division within the conference based on previous years W/L record.

You take that one step further and not every team is dominant over a 10 year span like NE. So depending on who and when you play certain teams will have a direct effect on your SoS.

 

[SeizeTheCarp]

And I bet he'd trade all of them for 1, 2, 3, 4 more SB championships.
Then again he's proven he's not a team guy so maybe I'm wrong.

Seriously, where do people come up with this shit?

As to your point, at first I was going to say that it was obvious about the trade. But then thinking about it, I doubt it. There's no doubt players would be willing to trade a lot of their stats for their first Super Bowl ring, but I'm sure the cost of additional ones plummets drastically.

To have five rings and stats would be awesome. To have five rings and nothing else; meh. Obviously Brady is lucky enough to have both. Good on him. No intelligent argument can be made to make Rodgers less of a QB because he has one ring rather than four or five. He has done nothing to show he couldn't win more rings under the same circumstances Brady has.

 

[Rex Racer]

Yet another reason to praise the great Dan Marino. I can't imagine the pinball numbers that dude would put up in today's game. Not only would he probably have a ring (or two, or more...) in this era but given that he was putting up 4700 yds and 40+ TD's in his prime...

Except Marino was a choke artist in the playoffs and individual statistics are dog shit.

Try again.

 

[Rex Racer]

Seriously, where do people come up with this shit?

As to your point, at first I was going to say that it was obvious about the trade. But then thinking about it, I doubt it. There's no doubt players would be willing to trade a lot of their stats for their first Super Bowl ring, but I'm sure the cost of additional ones plummets drastically.

To have five rings and stats would be awesome. To have five rings and nothing else; meh. Obviously Brady is lucky enough to have both. Good on him. No intelligent argument can be made to make Rodgers less of a QB because he has one ring rather than four or five. He has done nothing to show he couldn't win more rings under the same circumstances Brady has.

Yeah, Brady is lucky

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Seriously, where do people come up with this shit?

As to your point, at first I was going to say that it was obvious about the trade. But then thinking about it, I doubt it. There's no doubt players would be willing to trade a lot of their stats for their first Super Bowl ring, but I'm sure the cost of additional ones plummets drastically.

To have five rings and stats would be awesome. To have five rings and nothing else; meh. Obviously Brady is lucky enough to have both. Good on him. No intelligent argument can be made to make Rodgers less of a QB because he has one ring rather than four or five. He has done nothing to show he couldn't win more rings under the same circumstances Brady has.

Well he admits to using over inflated balls. So if you go with the assumption like 90% of the posters here an over inflated ball is harder to catch. Conversely a ball with less air is easier. So say the haters.
Next when AR contract comes up and he butt rapes GB we can revist this.
Also you comment about doubting if he'd take team achievements (SB) wins over individual stats proves my point.

 

[Dude]

Well that's not true. Teams play their division (6) games, division within conference (4), outside conference (4) on a rotational basis and then (2) games from other division within the conference based on previous years W/L record.

You take that one step further and not every team is dominant over a 10 year span like NE. So depending on who and when you play certain teams will have a direct effect on your SoS.

Ok, but the numbers still provide a simple, elegant mathematical analysis. If you want to add other factors such as SOS, go ahead, it might change a little, but I believe you would arrive at similar results. Anyway, I thought it was better than just spouting "XYZ division is a dumpster fire and that is why ABC team is so great."

 

[SeizeTheCarp]

Well he admits to using over inflated balls. So if you go with the assumption like 90% of the posters here an over inflated ball is harder to catch. Conversely a ball with less air is easier. So say the haters.
Next when AR contract comes up and he butt rapes GB we can revist this.
Also you comment about doubting if he'd take team achievements (SB) wins over individual stats proves my point.

Well he says he prefers them over-inflated. He gets the footballs the way he likes, and then lets the refs test them like they are supposed to do. I would bet that since that statement came out, they get tested a lot. Then you bring up assumptions. Nice.

My point about stats is, I'm sure he would rather be a starter on one Super Bowl team, than the bench warmer on five of them. Who wouldn't? Ask Jim McMahon how much his ring backing up Brett Favre in Green Bay means compared to the one he earned on the Bears XX team.

 

[SeizeTheCarp]

Yeah, Brady is lucky

Lucky to be drafted by New England rather than, say, the Browns, so he has a coach and team in place that allows him to flourish? Yes, absolutely.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Well he says he prefers them over-inflated. He gets the footballs the way he likes, and then lets the refs test them like they are supposed to do. I would bet that since that statement came out, they get tested a lot. Then you bring up assumptions. Nice.

My point about stats is, I'm sure he would rather be a starter on one Super Bowl team, than the bench warmer on five of them. Who wouldn't? Ask Jim McMahon how much his ring backing up Brett Favre in Green Bay means compared to the one he earned on the Bears XX team.

Ummmm ok. That's quite a stretch going from a thread discussing AR "greater" stats to him as a back up. As well as your comment about after winning one ring...
So to clarify. AR would rather have stats like fastest to 300 TDs then 5 SB rings? Since he already has a ring? That's what I understand you're saying here. Again proving my point about his selfishness. Just checking so we can discuss apples to apples.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Lucky to be drafted by New England rather than, say, the Browns, so he has a coach and team in place that allows him to flourish? Yes, absolutely.

Yes he's also lucky teams passed a 198 times on him.

 

[LambeauLegs]

Well he admits to using over inflated balls. So if you go with the assumption like 90% of the posters here an over inflated ball is harder to catch. Conversely a ball with less air is easier. So say the haters.
Next when AR contract comes up and he butt rapes GB we can revist this.
Also you comment about doubting if he'd take team achievements (SB) wins over individual stats proves my point.

Get me any link where he says he has used over inflated footballs! He has said he prefers a football with more air pressure in it. The footballs the Packers use go through the same testing the refs do with all the footballs at all the stadiums. I have not seen a situation where Rodgers has manipulated the footballs after the balls were checked by the refs where he added more than what was allowed. I will be waiting for the links where Rodgers says he uses over inflated footballs

 

[SeizeTheCarp]

Ummmm ok. That's quite a stretch going from a thread discussing AR "greater" stats to him as a back up. As well as your comment about after winning one ring...
So to clarify. AR would rather have stats like fastest to 300 TDs then 5 SB rings? Since he already has a ring? That's what I understand you're saying here. Again proving my point about his selfishness. Just checking so we can discuss apples to apples.

Guess I could have read that a little closer. When you said "give up all of them" I assumed you meant all stats. In light of that you only meant those records, then yes, I'm sure he would gladly give them all up.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Get me any link where he says he has used over inflated footballs! He has said he prefers a football with more air pressure in it. The footballs the Packers use go through the same testing the refs do with all the footballs at all the stadiums. I have not seen a situation where Rodgers has manipulated the footballs after the balls were checked by the refs where he added more than what was allowed. I will be waiting for the links where Rodgers says he uses over inflated footballs

LL stop it. You're better than that. Now before reading take off the rose colored glasses and put on a set of readers. This was the first article I came across. No need for me to dig further.
ARs words not mine;
"Even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it"

NFL's response to ball incidents with Vikings, Packers differs from Patriots

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Guess I could have read that a little closer. When you said "give up all of them" I assumed you meant all stats. In light of that you only meant those records, then yes, I'm sure he would gladly give them all up.

Not at all. What I meant was any individual stat vs. A team accomplushment SB.
I'll try and simplify. We're talking AR and his current career not some hypothetical back up or whatever.

Do you still feel Arog would rather set any individual record over winning another SB if he had the choice? That's the way this discussion started just trying to get back there.

 

[jarntt]

Knowing what a quirky guy Bennett is, I wonder if he said this in JUNE solely because he knew it would get Pats fans on here in such an uproar that in September they would still be feeling the need to defend Brady over it

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Knowing what a quirky guy Bennett is, I wonder if he said this in JUNE solely because he knew it would get Pats fans on here in such an uproar that in September they would still be feeling the need to defend Brady over it

Bennett should be praising TB on being such an intelligent QB. Bennett now has a ring because after TB tried to make Marty B the hero by throwing to him to end the game. Marty dropped it and Brady and co. Chose to have White run it in.
Good luck Marty thanks for coming to NE and doing your job.

 

[SeizeTheCarp]

Not at all. What I meant was any individual stat vs. A team accomplushment SB.
I'll try and simplify. We're talking AR and his current career not some hypothetical back up or whatever.

Do you still feel Arog would rather set any individual record over winning another SB if he had the choice? That's the way this discussion started just trying to get back there.

Read my statement you quoted and you'll have your answer.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Read my statement you quoted and you'll have your answer.

Thanks for proving my point

 

[SeizeTheCarp]

Thanks for proving my point

Well, when I stated that I could have read your initial response a little closer, I was already admitting that you were right, but thanks for rubbing it in my face.