Urban Meyer: 'Penn State deserved to be in playoff'

[4down20]

There really needs to be a playoff format that includes winners of the Power 5 conferences and three at large teams. To me, the conference championship games are kind of pointless if the winners are not given an automatic bid into the CFB playoffs, and having three at large teams gives teams with one loss, and a difficult schedule, an opportunity to get in.

If a conference champion does not make the playoffs, there is a reason for it.

Or do you think Wisconsin deserved to be in the playoffs in 2012(if there had been one)? They had an 7-5 record and won the Big10. They weren't even ranked in the top25.

 

[trojanfan12]

I don't see that being an issue.I believe the 2 team was the worst as far as controversies.Too many variables in the 5 P5 conferences for 4 to be effective.Extending the play offs the base needed.With some other smaller improvements to be tweaked as well..6-8 would be the perfect number to vastly improve the flaws imo.

I agree. I prefer 8, but 6 would be just fine. It would include all 5 P5 conference champs, plus room for a "wild card" or 2.

It could definitely solve problems such as Penn St. being the conference champ and tOSU being seen as the conferences best team. With a 6 or 8 team playoff, both could get in.

 

[4down20]

I agree. I prefer 8, but 6 would be just fine. It would include all 5 P5 conference champs, plus room for a "wild card" or 2.

It could definitely solve problems such as Penn St. being the conference champ and tOSU being seen as the conferences best team. With a 6 or 8 team playoff, both could get in.

AQ's are lame.

If they playoffs are extended to 6 or 8 and your conference champions STILL can't make the playoffs, there is a reason for it.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

If a conference champion does not make the playoffs, there is a reason for it.

Or do you think Wisconsin deserved to be in the playoffs in 2012(if there had been one)? They had an 7-5 record and won the Big10. They weren't even ranked in the top25.

Or do you think Wisconsin deserved to be in the playoffs in 2012(if there had been one)? They had an 7-5 record and won the Big10. They weren't even ranked in the top25.[/QUOTE]
The thing about that is.out of several seasons.You chose a year with underlying circumstances.Ohio If I remember correctly Ohio State was ineligible for the CCG due to sanctions.Penn State was also on sanctions and reeling from their scandal.Whether you chose to omit that only you know.But I think most people know this. It could happen but I believe its unlikely.But this is back to what ifs.Pretty sure ND had a big year that year too. You also had a Boise State team that year that may have done a lot of damage in a play off system. The list goes on.Unless Ohio State and Penn State are suspended again the scenario that was chosen in this example is really quite invalid......

 

[GeekSportsFan]

If a conference champion does not make the playoffs, there is a reason for it.

Or do you think Wisconsin deserved to be in the playoffs in 2012(if there had been one)? They had an 7-5 record and won the Big10. They weren't even ranked in the top25.

OK, I see your point. But what happens if we ever have a situation where each Power Five champion has one loss and relatively equal schedules?

 

[TheRobotDevil]

OK, I see your point. But what happens if we ever have a situation where each Power Five champion has one loss and relatively equal schedules?

The thing is that year was a year.a 12-0 Ohio State team was ineligible for post season play.Which is the only reason that "7-5" Wisconsin team was in the CCG.A Penn State that was ineligible and reeling from scandal. Was also ahead of Wisconsin in the rankings in 2012.You also had an unbeaten Indy team in ND.I don't think we see that circumstance again. I would like to see more examples that support this.

Unless the P5 all goes to a 9 game conference game format.Schedules will not be relatively equal.So that along with rankings aren't a very strong gauge.Out of all the formats being discussed.Including ditching CCG's for a pre play off which I don't like. I believe CCG's should be important.And serve a purpose.

I agree. I prefer 8, but 6 would be just fine. It would include all 5 P5 conference champs, plus room for a "wild card" or 2.

It could definitely solve problems such as Penn St. being the conference champ and tOSU being seen as the conferences best team. With a 6 or 8 team playoff, both could get in.

I think this is the most efficient solution.It removes a lot of the opinions and speculation out.By reducing human error and questions.If you can't win your conference or make a 6-8 team play off.Then you don't deserve to be there.I've read a lot of articles and this really does make sense.As to crowning a true champion

 

[Cave_Johnson]

As anyone who has ever worked in systems knows.They take time to perfect.And there will always be a need for adjustments.The next step is to leave the rankings for the other bowl games.And arrive at a concrete selection process that removes human error and decisions based on opinions.Add 2-4 more play off spots.P5 conference champions are outbids and 1-3 at large bids.Is one method.Theres been a few others put on the table as well.Fortunately this is something that is being discussed on many levels.And it's looking a lot like they are going to be heading in the direction.Of reducing these question marks and human influence..And progressing to the best system possible.Whether we agree or not

With the current divisional systems in most P5 leagues I think this would be the best way to go moving forward for the playoff. Make it possible to earn your way in on the field with the P5 auto-bids. Then if you get a situation like Ohio St last year you're still essentially guaranteeing they get in with an at-large. Removes human influence and voting as much as possible. Yeah you'll end up with controversy regarding who gets in at the 7 and 8 slots but that's unavoidable. But at least this makes the conference championships actually guarantee a reward.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

With the current divisional systems in most P5 leagues I think this would be the best way to go moving forward for the playoff. Make it possible to earn your way in on the field with the P5 auto-bids. Then if you get a situation like Ohio St last year you're still essentially guaranteeing they get in with an at-large. Removes human influence and voting as much as possible. Yeah you'll end up with controversy regarding who gets in at the 7 and 8 slots but that's unavoidable. But at least this makes the conference championships actually guarantee a reward.

I completely agree. I also like that it expands the field outside just the P5 teams too tho.Thats why I like 8.Adds a lot more meaning to a lot of games imo.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

I completely agree. I also like that it expands the field outside just the P5 teams too tho.Thats why I like 8.Adds a lot more meaning to a lot of games imo.

Yes, allowing the G5 teams to actually have a chance for a national title is another perk of that system. As it stands now no G5 will ever make the playoff. You go to 8 spots and it would be hard to keep an undefeated G5 school with a solid OOC win or two out.

 

[Wamu]

I completely agree.

Well I completely disagree. Ya wanna fight?

 

[4down20]

OK, I see your point. But what happens if we ever have a situation where each Power Five champion has one loss and relatively equal schedules?

Someone gets left out and everyone has more incentive to schedule more difficult games which would be fucking awesome.

 

[4down20]

The thing about that is.out of several seasons.You chose a year with underlying circumstances.Ohio If I remember correctly Ohio State was ineligible for the CCG due to sanctions.Penn State was also on sanctions and reeling from their scandal.Whether you chose to omit that only you know.But I think most people know this. It could happen but I believe its unlikely.But this is back to what ifs.Pretty sure ND had a big year that year too. You also had a Boise State team that year that may have done a lot of damage in a play off system. The list goes on.Unless Ohio State and Penn State are suspended again the scenario that was chosen in this example is really quite invalid......

So you mean there are reasons why a conference champion shouldn't be given an autobid?

That's the point.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

So you mean there are reasons why a conference champion shouldn't be given an autobid?

That's the point.

Oh I knew what you were attempting to do.But you're back into the what ifs And some extremely unlikely what ifs at that.Was way to easy to read tbh. You still have no legitimate reason against it.Other than fear of competition .If anything that gave more reason for an 8 team play off.Autobids to the P5 conference champions.And 3 at large bids to compensate for any discrepancies,rare circumstances and to expand the field past the P5 conferences and add meaning to games across the landscape of college football

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Yes, allowing the G5 teams to actually have a chance for a national title is another perk of that system. As it stands now no G5 will ever make the playoff. You go to 8 spots and it would be hard to keep an undefeated G5 school with a solid OOC win or two out.

I believe this also elevates the G5 schools and SOS.With more G5 teams in contention.We end up with some great football mo.Maybe even less teams scheduling FCS teams and replacing them with G5 or conference games.It makes for a better product over all.And a lot of exciting football.Open that field up imo

 

[4down20]

Oh I knew what you were attempting to do.But you're back into the what ifs And some extremely unlikely what ifs at that.Was way to easy to read tbh. You still have no legitimate reason against it.Other than fear of competition .If anything that gave more reason for an 8 team play off.Autobids to the P5 conference champions.And 3 at large bids to compensate for any discrepancies,rare circumstances and to expand the field past the P5 conferences and add meaning to games across the landscape of college football

Yes I know, it doesn't matter what anyone says, you're going to jump up, beat your chest and say how you are winning the conversation and pretending anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't adding to the conversation.

Again. And again, and again. Clarkshitposting 101.

And it's funny when you guys talk about having 8 teams, but STILL you need to have that AQ bid. Worried your conference is going to suck so bad that you are worried it won't be selected in the top8.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Yes I know, it doesn't matter what anyone says, you're going to jump up, beat your chest and say how you are winning the conversation and pretending anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't adding to the conversation.

Again. And again, and again. Clarkshitposting 101.

And it's funny when you guys talk about having 8 teams, but STILL you need to have that AQ bid. Worried your conference is going to suck so bad that you are worried it won't be selected in the top8.

Sounds like you're butthurt again. I know I'm in you're head which I do find amusing to a point.But this has nothing to do with facts If you're discussing anything other than the system.Im going to go with you have no legitimate rebuttal on topic.And are confirming the facts i'm providing on topic.Which is expanding the play offs and using outbids.By format is designed to remove as much human error as possible.Putting the games on the field rather that being decided off the field.While also generating more competition in the G5 and P5 conferences.And progressing the sport and moving towards a the closest thing to a true champion they can arrive at.If its not on topic I'll take it you concur.

 

[ralphiewvu]

If a conference champion does not make the playoffs, there is a reason for it.

Or do you think Wisconsin deserved to be in the playoffs in 2012(if there had been one)? They had an 7-5 record and won the Big10. They weren't even ranked in the top25.

Yes because that is absolutely the same thing as penn state last year.

If you are going to cherry pick, please don't go fullretard when you do it. Just continue to use the ooc sos and extra loss because frankly that's the only excuse you have for Ohio state making it over penn state.

Still waiting on an a good reason why the playoff shouldn't expand besides Alabama shouldn't have to play an extra game.

 

[4down20]

Yes because that is absolutely the same thing as penn state last year.

If you are going to cherry pick, please don't go fullretard when you do it. Just continue to use the ooc sos and extra loss because frankly that's the only excuse you have for Ohio state making it over penn state.

Still waiting on an a good reason why the playoff shouldn't expand besides Alabama shouldn't have to play an extra game.

The playoff shouldn't expand because it's not needed.

You guys are bitching over the 4th spot. Teams that basically just a throw in for the teams that actually deserve a chance at the title, which rarely exceeds 2 and never exceeds 3.

You are just looking for any excuse when in the end all you want is to make it easier for your team to make the playoffs and win on a hope and a prayer. But the truth is, it's not needed.

And you are fucking retarded if think playing an extra game in the playoffs doesn't benefit Alabama. You know, the team with the most depth, the team that would be better suited to play more games and still maintain it's strength over any team in the country.

 

[4down20]

Go ahead and make P5 champions autobid, then kiss all these quality P5 matchups like Alabama vs FSU goodbye. Because there is no reason to play them. Everyone will circle around and the conference games will be all that matters. No need to risk the injury to your best players.

Conference strength/pride will be a thing of the past. It will no longer be beneficial for the bigger teams to help out the smaller teams of the conference with shared revenue. The easier the conference, the better. So there goes another slide in quality games.

Add more conference games while you are at. Keep the game regionalized and fuck the national matchups.

But sure, there are no good reasons no to expand. Total bullshit. The reality is, there is no longer any good reasons to expand, outside people crying about the 4th spot. And if you think there are many that deserve the 4th spot, wait until it's the 8th spot. Oh this conference got 2 or 3 teams in, it's ESPN bias, it's SEC bias, it's because they are a name. All your stupid shit continues.

Back in the day, it wasn't every year that #1 and #2 got to play. The BCS was good progress because for the first time in history, we were guarenteed to see those 2 play. Then there were a few years when 2 spots weren't enough and we needed room for 3 teams. So now we have expanded to 4 team playoffs, and that gives all 3 teams the chance they deserve.

Now you just want to expand for the sake of expanding, finding the most petty and dumb examples you can find to justify it. 2 loss Penn St is your flag ship for getting screwed? Who gives a fuck? Oh no, 2 loss Penn St didn't get a chance at the playoffs, lets all lose our shit.

Fuck that, it's all just excuses.

 

[ralphiewvu]

The playoff shouldn't expand because it's not needed.

You guys are bitching over the 4th spot. Teams that basically just a throw in for the teams that actually deserve a chance at the title, which rarely exceeds 2 and never exceeds 3.

You are just looking for any excuse when in the end all you want is to make it easier for your team to make the playoffs and win on a hope and a prayer. But the truth is, it's not needed.

And you are fucking retarded if think playing an extra game in the playoffs doesn't benefit Alabama. You know, the team with the most depth, the team that would be better suited to play more games and still maintain it's strength over any team in the country.

This past year evermore proved it should expand.

Get off your high tower and stop pretending that the SEC champ and one other team are the only people that deserve a chance in the playoff.

The funny thing is you have yet to provide a reason why the football playoffs shouldn't be expanded but yet your are trying to argue for Ohio st making the playoffs.


GTFO with your last full retard statement. Alabama has to play an extra game, a chance for an extra loss. How in the hell does that benefit Alabama over playing no one? I'll wait for an answer to that question you'll never give me.