Redskins' Kirk Cousins: Still far apart on extension terms

[skinsdad62]

Not sure which article you are referencing, but I've always felt that the guaranteed money is probably more important than the overall value of the contract or the annual yearly commitment. I know it would be for me.

no article it was just an opinion of the guys on the video

 

[Krusheasy]

the discussion with Joel Corry was a good one

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Redskins @ 8! Former Sports Agent Joel Corry of NationalFootballPost.com joins the show to discuss the likelihood of Kirk Cousins and the Redskins getting the deal done. Plus, Bill Pollian says it wouldn't be a mistake if the Redskins don't get Kirk signed by the deadline. Also, Pollian responded to the question; what if Kirk's agent said the only way to get a deal done is to trade Colt McCoy? Pollian would tell Kirk and his agent to take a walk... (Date Added: 6/21/17)

 

[deanpet21]

the discussion with Joel Corry was a good one

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this is very good. everyone should listen to it.

 

[gkekoa]

No I haven't. Here it is jackass!!!!

1st and 10 at DAL 34
(1:39 - 3rd) K.Cousins pass short middle to N.Paul to DAL 18 for 16 yards (C.Thornton) [A.Hitchens]. PENALTY on DAL-A.Hitchens, Roughing the Passer, 9 yards, enforced at DAL 18.

• 1st and Goal at DAL 9
  (1:06 - 3rd) M.Jones right tackle to DAL 9 for no gain (J.Crawford, C.Thornton).

• 2nd and Goal at DAL 9
  (0:27 - 3rd) (Shotgun) PENALTY on DAL-C.Thornton, Encroachment, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 9 - No Play.

• 2nd and Goal at DAL 4
  (0:16 - 3rd) K.Cousins pass incomplete short left to J.Doctson (B.Carr).

• 3rd and Goal at DAL 4
  (0:12 - 3rd) (Shotgun) K.Cousins pass incomplete short right to P.Garcon.

• 4th and Goal at DAL 4
  (0:04 - 3rd) D.Hopkins 22 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-N.Sundberg, Holder-T.Way.

Cowboys vs. Redskins - Play-By-Play - September 18, 2016 - ESPN

Yes you have. Not that I keep up with all of them but you tried to use third downs against KC...we were number five in the league.

That says play by play Chicken Little. It isn't a video. I have to see the play you are speaking of to analyze it. My guess is...it wasn't like you claim because everybody else dissected his play that game with video...I haven't seen that one.

I did see an interesting addition mentioning the Redskins defense laid down in the 4th on an 80 yard TD drive.

 

[deanpet21]

Yes you have. Not that I keep up with all of them but you tried to use third downs against KC...we were number five in the league.

That says play by play Chicken Little. It isn't a video. I have to see the play you are speaking of to analyze it. My guess is...it wasn't like you claim because everybody else dissected his play that game with video...I haven't seen that one.

I did see an interesting addition mentioning the Redskins defense laid down in the 4th on an 80 yard TD drive.

How the hell am I going to give you video? You don't watch the games.

 

[gkekoa]

How the hell am I going to give you video? You don't watch the games.

Of course I watched the game. You are asking me to go back and analyze a play from nearly a year ago.

 

[deanpet21]

Of course I watched the game. You are asking me to go back and analyze a play from nearly a year ago.

you forgot about that play. the only way is to buy the nfl pass. with all your money go do it. lol

 

[gkekoa]

you forgot about that play. the only way is to buy the nfl pass. with all your money go do it. lol

I simply don't know the exact play. Was he under pressure? What was the angle? You see Dean, there are things called variables.

Again the money thing? What makes you believe I have so much money? You must be rich to destroy televisions because of a football game.

 

[skinsdad62]

Derek Carr's expected new contract with the Oakland Raiders hammers home, once again, the price of doing business with good quarterbacks. It's an expensive lesson for the Washington Redskins, who will either pay several million more than they would have last year for Kirk Cousins or risk losing him. In other words, we remain in the same spot.

Carr's contract doesn't change any of that. But what it does remind everyone is that the new cost of a good free agent quarterback is in the mid-20s. If the Redskins want to keep Cousins long term, they’ll have to accept that reality.

The question is: Will his expected deal worth $25 million per year alter Cousins’ demands? Not necessarily. But it certainly provides another benchmark for any quarterback whose contract is being negotiated. Remember this: The price always rises.

But would Cousins earn a deal greater than Carr's only two or three weeks later? The deadline for any long-term deal with Cousins is July 17. Carr just turned 26; Cousins turns 29 in August. Carr has thrown a combined 60 touchdowns to 19 interceptions the last two years. Cousins has thrown 54 touchdowns and 23 picks during that same period.

Carr produced seven fourth-quarter comebacks, adding strength to his résumé, for a team that went 12-3 with him in control. Hard to imagine any negotiator opposite Cousins not using the last regular-season game, capped by his interception, to reduce the cost.

The Redskins have pointed, quite often, to that last game -- for the team in general, that is -- as the impetus for many changes in the offseason. Timing, though, matters in negotiations.

Cousins' quest has never been to become the NFL's highest paid quarterback; that's not something I've heard in multiple conversations with multiple people involved in the situation. If that happened, it would stem from the leverage he enjoys rather than his pecking order among young passers. He's not Aaron Rodgers. Guess what? Few are. But Cousins is a good quarterback in a league where play at that position matters. If they feel they can make do with Colt McCoy and Nate Sudfeld in 2018? Then they won't get it done with Cousins.

And nobody should be surprised that Carr will receive such a contract. Cousins' side knew that had he signed a deal earlier this offseason, three others would surpass him rather soon: Carr, Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan. In fact, that was a selling point: Get it done now and he'll soon be pushed down the ladder. They weren't waiting to see what other quarterbacks received; they were waiting for an offer to kick-start legitimate talks.

But this has always been about the leverage, thanks to the franchise tag. Without it, Cousins would have been more affordable -- but it exists and the Redskins used it so he's more expensive. This is important too: They chose not to make a stronger deal last year, wanting to wait and see how Cousins responded to a second year starting. The price went up. It always does.

Once Carr signs, he'll become the 12th quarterback to make at least $20 million per year. Stafford will become the 13th whenever he reaches an extension. Had the Redskins signed Cousins last year for $20 million per year the talk now would be: What a smart move. They weren't sold; it's their right and there's no crime in thinking he shouldn't be paid a certain amount. The Raiders deserve praise for signing Carr now.

Cousins will make $23.9 million guaranteed this season. Carr's deal doesn't have to alter how much Cousins receives per year -- the guaranteed portion will be most important. But if Redskins' offers don't match the leverage -- or at least come close -- it's not worth signing.

If Cousins wants to play hardball, he can demand more than Carr and tell them, "OK, if you really want to get it done now, this is what it'll cost." Otherwise, he can hit the market next offseason and perhaps get it at that time -- provided his play continues at a certain level.

If Cousins really wants to be here, it doesn't have to change much at all. Just meet the leverage and he'll be good. So far, that's been the sticking point.

here the full deal from Kiem

 

[skinsdad62]

Redskins

casserly on what a new contract would look like

 

[gkekoa]

Pretty close. I think 116 may be a little low.

 

[Sharkinva]

593 Hours

The clock is ticking Bruce
The price range for a Starting QB has been set
Your move

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[gkekoa]

So what is the hold up? Why isn't our FO running in with a contract offer?

They should run in with that same contract. KC would then turn it down and ask for more guaranteed money. Then we should give it to him and call it a day.

 

[skinsdad62]

you have to wonder why

 

[skinsdad62]

5 Important Players For Future Of Redskins

guess who is top of this list ?

 

[skinsdad62]

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washi...-schedule-reveals-some-good-news-kirk-cousins

a potential stat that will used next season when contract time comes up again

 

[deanpet21]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports a long-term deal between the Redskins and franchise-tagged Kirk Cousins "is considered a long shot for the time being."

NFL Network analyst and former GM Charley Casserly agrees, saying he does not "see any way" the two sides reach a long-term deal. There was some optimism about a new deal earlier this month -- Schefter does say there is "an improved tone between the two sides" -- but it seems like the July 17 deadline will pass without an agreement. Cousins is scheduled to make $23.94 million on the one-year franchise tender.


Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Jun 27 - 10:18 AM


I didn't think a deal will get done. IMO KC wants FA. If a LTD was going to get done the numbers would be insane. I agree with Casserly here. Well, start looking at trade options and scout those 2018 QB's.

 

[Sharkinva]

A trade wont happen.

If you really think this is a playoffs team, then looking at the 2018 QB class is accepting the idea that we are looking to trade up.

This should be interesting. I wasnt sure how they would screw this up, but its becoming clearer now.

 

[deanpet21]

A trade wont happen.

If you really think this is a playoffs team, then looking at the 2018 QB class is accepting the idea that we are looking to trade up.

This should be interesting. I wasnt sure how they would screw this up, but its becoming clearer now.

Not necessarily. Still can get a good Qb from picks 20-23. I love how you blame it on the Redskins when you don't know what KC really wants in a LTD. Plus you don't know if the Redskins offered anything yet. Im assuming KC want 90-100mg.

 

[Sharkinva]

Not necessarily. Still can get a good Qb from picks 20-23. I love how you blame it on the Redskins when you don't know what KC really wants in a LTD. Plus you don't know if the Redskins offered anything yet. Im assuming KC want 90-100mg.

1. It is the front offices fault because this should have been handled a year ago.

2. As we have no idea what will be in the draft, we could just as easily end up with a bad QB that was over estimated because we were desperate for a QB.

3. If we are looking for a QB, the talks will go straight to whats it going to take to go get Darnold or who ever the top rated QB is.

4. Dan and Bruce are not going to settle for the 4th or 5th rated QB on the board.