POLL} The Best Overall Hitter In The Past 30 Years ?......

[BallsOfFurry]

With at least 10 years in the league .
I didn't list Bonds or other proven cheaters, you're welcome to post whoever you please though.

 

[Chewbaccer]

So you try to exclude PED users with a "some cheating POS" option, but people can vote for Manny Ramirez(who was twice suspended for PED use) and David Ortiz?

Go figure.

 

[Chewbaccer]

The answer is Barry Bonds.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

So you try to exclude PED users with a "some cheating POS" option, but people can vote for Manny Ramirez(who was twice suspended for PED use) and David Ortiz?

Go figure.

I honestly didn't know Ramirez was caught, my bad.
That was a period I was working on the road for a engineering/construction company, I had no time or energy for sports during the summer.
Still, I'm sure I knew it at some time, it just slipped my mind.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

The answer is Barry Bonds.

No fucking way, take away the PEDs and he would be maybe 5th.

 

[Chewbaccer]

No fucking way, take away the PEDs and he would be maybe 5th.

But he had the PEDs and he was the most dominant hitter of his generation.

Pretending PEDs never happened isn't the right answer. Acknowledge what the players did and move on.

And honestly, Greg Maddux might be the only player from that era that I can say with 100% confidence wasn't taking some kind of PED.

Hell, Freddie Freeman is out 10 weeks with a broken wrist while Albert Pujols was able to come back in just two weeks with a broken wrist in 2011.

 

[Nosferatu]

Tony Gwynn

 

[williewilliejuan]

Tony Gwynn

Not enough power numbers.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

But he had the PEDs and he was the most dominant hitter of his generation.

Pretending PEDs never happened isn't the right answer. Acknowledge what the players did and move on.

And honestly, Greg Maddux might be the only player from that era that I can say with 100% confidence wasn't taking some kind of PED.

Hell, Freddie Freeman is out 10 weeks with a broken wrist while Albert Pujols was able to come back in just two weeks with a broken wrist in 2011.

I disagree. Players like Aaron, Griffey and Thome were cheated and regardless of asterisk they will never quite be considered as highly as they should be. Aaron and Griffey in particular, Aaron the #1 HR hitter ever and Griffey the best since 1975.
I never put Clemens, Bonds, A-Rod or the other clear cheaters on my lists.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Not enough power numbers.

I agree, OPS is the best measure of overall hitting in my opinion.

 

[Chewbaccer]

I disagree. Players like Aaron, Griffey and Thome were cheated and regardless of asterisk they will never quite be considered as highly as they should be. Aaron and Griffey in particular, Aaron the #1 HR hitter ever and Griffey the best since 1975.
I never put Clemens, Bonds, A-Rod or the other clear cheaters on my lists.

Aaron was from a different era, and he used amphetamines.

Can you say with 100% confidence that Thome and Griffey never used anything?

Hell, Chipper is by far my favorite player of all time, and though I've never seen anything that linked him to PEDs, and he's stated numerous times that he was tempted, but never did it, given the era he played in, do you think I'd be shocked if it came out that he was using?

And if it did, it would have no bearing on his status as my all time favorite player.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Aaron was from a different era, and he used amphetamines.

Can you say with 100% confidence that Thome and Griffey never used anything?

Hell, Chipper is by far my favorite player of all time, and though I've never seen anything that linked him to PEDs, and he's stated numerous times that he was tempted, but never did it, given the era he played in, do you think I'd be shocked if it came out that he was using?

And if it did, it would have no bearing on his status as my all time favorite player.

Aaron used speed once, he didn't like it and never tried it again.
Chipper says he didn't use, there is nothing questionable about his power timeline, he shouldn't be tainted by what Bonds and others are proven to have done.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Aaron used speed once, he didn't like it and never tried it again.
Chipper says he didn't use, there is nothing questionable about his power timeline, he shouldn't be tainted by what Bonds and others are proven to have done.

You're innocent until proven guilty, but it's hard not to be suspicious of anyone that played in that era.

And can you say with 100% confidence that Griffey and Thome never used?

 

[BallsOfFurry]

You're innocent until proven guilty, but it's hard not to be suspicious of anyone that played in that era.

And can you say with 100% confidence that Griffey and Thome never used?

I can't say with certainty that you haven't robbed a bank, but it seems unfair to suggest you have.
Those players haven't even been accused, let alone convicted.

 

[Chewbaccer]

I can't say with certainty that you haven't robbed a bank, but it seems unfair to suggest you have.
Those players haven't even been accused, let alone convicted.

How many accused Dee Gordon before he got nabbed?

No player is beyond suspicion, and that's why it's ridiculous to leave Bonds off the list.

 

[GNG]

Albert Pujols.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

How many accused Dee Gordon before he got nabbed?

No player is beyond suspicion, and that's why it's ridiculous to leave Bonds off the list.

Wrong, you punish those who are caught, we don't excuse bank robbery just because some get away or accuse people without cause.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Wrong, you punish those who are caught, we don't excuse bank robbery just because some get away or accuse people without cause.

I think them not being voted into the HOF yet is punishment, but to leave Barry Bonds off the lost of best hitters over the last 30 years is ridiculous.

 

[Voltaire26]

Barry Bonds and he had to do it against pitchers who were using PEDs

 

[BallsOfFurry]

I think them not being voted into the HOF yet is punishment, but to leave Barry Bonds off the lost of best hitters over the last 30 years is ridiculous.

He is player non-grata to me.