Yankees Copying Philly = Rock Bottom

[DirtDirtDirt]

Gotta love how ignorant Yankees fans sound trying to peddle this "underdog" narrative.

I stopped reading when you ignorantly claimed the team with a 200m dollar payroll thinks they're the underdog.

Well, they dont have a $200 million payroll

You should have kept reading

 

[Yam]

Yanks 8th in payroll because of rookie deals.

"Undersogs" lol

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I'd say they're the favorite for the AL East though it should be a tight race.

Maybe in relation to the other AL divisional races. . .

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Yanks 8th in payroll because of rookie deals.

"Only Yankees can have rookie deals."

I'm not saying the Yankees are underdogs because they're not, but your statement here is dumb AF.

 

[navamind]

Maybe in relation to the other AL divisional races. . .

both. Fangraphs projects the Yankees to win only one more game than the Sox. They also project the Jays to win 87. I think there's a chance you see three teams from the AL East though I think the Angels take the other WC.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

both. Fangraphs projects the Yankees to win only one more game than the Sox. They also project the Jays to win 87. I think there's a chance you see three teams from the AL East though I think the Angels take the other WC.

Apparently, FanGraphs is retarded.

Yankees have a better pitching staff and a MUCH better offense. Barring injury (which is entirely possible with Stanton), Yankees should take take the East fairly easily.

 

[navamind]

Apparently, FanGraphs is retarded.

Yankees have a better pitching staff and a MUCH better offense. Barring injury (which is entirely possible with Stanton), Yankees should take take the East fairly easily.

the majority of position players on the Red Sox underperformed last year's projections and project to bounce back in 2018. ZiPS and Steamer also project regression for Judge (though that's still a 4+ WAR season). I do think those projections for him are a bit conservative though. They project the Sox and Yanks to score almost the same amount of runs. Baseball Prospectus does project the Yankees to score 71 more runs. I don't buy BP's projections though, I think they're overrating the Rays (84-78) and I think they're underrating the Jays/Angels/Cubs.

 

[nynasty]

I think based on history, you can give at least the preliminary edge to Boston's rotation. Yanks have the better bullpen (I think it's the best in baseball).

Offensively, Yanks added the NL MVP to the 2nd highest scoring offense from last year. Red Sox got better with Martinez for sure, but Yanks still the better offense.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

Well, they dont have a $200 million payroll

You should have kept reading

Looks like 157m for 15 players. Where does the rest of the roster come in?

 

[soxfan1468927]

Apparently, FanGraphs is retarded.

Yankees have a better pitching staff and a MUCH better offense. Barring injury (which is entirely possible with Stanton), Yankees should take take the East fairly easily.

I picked the Yankees to win the East by 6 games before the Martinez deal, now I think it's close.

 

[nynasty]

I picked the Yankees to win the East by 6 games before the Martinez deal, now I think it's close.

That's why they play the games. 2007, Yankees were supposed to run away and hide in the east. They had to play out of their minds in September just to clinch the wild card. 2011, Red Sox were going to win the east going away, they got eliminated on the last day of the season.

Shit happens.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Looks like 157m for 15 players. Where does the rest of the roster come in?

According to spotrac, which is pretty good, their total payroll is $158 million and that includes retained salaries. They have a bunch of pre-arb guys.

 

[molsaniceman]

According to spotrac, which is pretty good, their total payroll is $158 million and that includes retained salaries. They have a bunch of pre-arb guys.

BBR has them at 161 with estimates for 10 players in arb Cots has them at 161 without those 10 So who do u believe?
Does it really matter? all it means is the steiny boys are making a ton of money

 

[soxfan1468927]

BBR has them at 161 with estimates for 10 players in arb Cots has them at 161 without those 10 So who do u believe?
Does it really matter? all it means is the steiny boys are making a ton of money

That first sentence needs to be deciphered first.

 

[molsaniceman]

bbr=baseball reference 161 mil
cots is another mlb payroll web site
BBR has them at 161 with estimates for 10 players in arb
Cots has them at 161 without those 10
So who do u believe?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

the majority of position players on the Red Sox underperformed last year's projections and project to bounce back in 2018. ZiPS and Steamer also project regression for Judge (though that's still a 4+ WAR season). I do think those projections for him are a bit conservative though. They project the Sox and Yanks to score almost the same amount of runs. Baseball Prospectus does project the Yankees to score 71 more runs. I don't buy BP's projections though, I think they're overrating the Rays (84-78) and I think they're underrating the Jays/Angels/Cubs.

Why am I not surprised that you don't buy the projections that say the Yankees are much better?

It's my understanding that PECOTA is the most accurate system.

 

[molsaniceman]

Why am I not surprised that you don't buy the projections that say the Yankees are much better?

It's my understanding that PECOTA is the most accurate system.

well they got red sox as wild card so cant be all bad

 

[soxfan1468927]

bbr=baseball reference 161 mil
cots is another mlb payroll web site
BBR has them at 161 with estimates for 10 players in arb
Cots has them at 161 without those 10
So who do u believe?

I'd have to dig into both. But if they are just calculating the pre-arb guys differently that's pennies.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

BBR has them at 161 with estimates for 10 players in arb

Ten? I'm seeing four. Erik Kratz, Jace Peterson, Shane Robinson and Chasen Shreve. Who are the other six?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Ten? I'm seeing four. Erik Kratz, Jace Peterson, Shane Robinson and Chasen Shreve. Who are the other six?

Also, Baseball reference is only estimating those arbitration costs at $3.2MM, so it's not a big difference either way.