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[Darrell Green Fan]

You most certainly are looking at the quick fix. How else would you describe your preference for a guy who is more comfortable in the pocket due to his experience playing in that system his entire career over a clearly more talented QB who has been playing as a pocket passer for all of 4 months? Of course Kirk will be ahead of Griffin right now. That does not mean he will be better in 2 years. And of course one QB hits what he is throwing at and rarely throws to the other guy a lot more often than the other QB does. That's kind of important.

Hard to argue the injury thing with Griffin. But let's let it play out before declaring that a 24 year old is history. It's damn hard to find a top QB in this league, we've been trying for 30 years. We finally have a guy with that kind of talent. Why you are in such a hurry to throw him away for the flavor of the month shows me that you are in fact looking for the quick fix. Gur Frerrotte looked comfortable in the pocket too. Todd Collins played very well in that role too as did Mark Rypien. Sorry, I'm looking for more and I'm willing to be patient and let the Griffin thing develop a bit more before declaring him unfit to be our QB of the future.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Romo has been to Pro Bowls and always have kept Dallas as a potential playoff team. Is he a 100 million dollar QB? NO, but you can win with him.


jy19 its about who is the better Qb now and for the future for the Redskins? RG3 or KC. Simple as that.


Who fits better in Gruden's system?
Who is injury prone?
Who is better in the pocket?
Who has better pocket awareness?


That is what this is all about. Finding a QB. Its either one of these two.

Nice convenient spin by you. Are you related to Cousins? You totally forgot to mention ability to come through in the clutch & the ability to avoid turnovers. These are both areas where Cousins falls short & falls way short in the latter area. The last game was not the first one where Cousins threw critical INTs that contributed to a loss.

You need to be more objective. Heck - I am willing to admit that the future Skins QB may not even be on the current roster. Please take off your Kirk Cousins glasses & look at the situation objectively.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

You most certainly are looking at the quick fix. How else would you describe your preference for a guy who is more comfortable in the pocket due to his experience playing in that system his entire career over a clearly more talented QB who has been playing as a pocket passer for all of 4 months? Of course Kirk will be ahead of Griffin right now. That does not mean he will be better in 2 years. And of course one QB hits what he is throwing at and rarely throws to the other guy a lot more often than the other QB does. That's kind of important.

Hard to argue the injury thing with Griffin. But let's let it play out before declaring that a 24 year old is history. It's damn hard to find a top QB in this league, we've been trying for 30 years. We finally have a guy with that kind of talent. Why you are in such a hurry to throw him away for the flavor of the month shows me that you are in fact looking for the quick fix. Gur Frerrotte looked comfortable in the pocket too. Todd Collins played very well in that role too as did Mark Rypien. Sorry, I'm looking for more and I'm willing to be patient and let the Griffin thing develop a bit more before declaring him unfit to be our QB of the future.

Good pts especially your last one. Heck - over the relatively recent past the Redskins have had lots of QBs who looked good for a handful of games - Brunell, JC, Frerrotte & even Grossman looked good for a bit.


Any rational fan would have huge concerns about Cousins after the other night. If you simply maintain that "Oh well - he had a bad night" then you are being delusional then I question whether you care more about the Skins rather than being an RG3 basher. Not saying that Cousins may still have a bright future. However - there are more than a few concerns about whether he will ever overcome his flaws which can have devastating consequences.

 

[deanpet21]

How can you have concerns about Cousins when he only had 6 starts? What makes you guys think RG3 is going to become a good pocket passer? Its funny that DGfan brought up Gus vs Shuler. Gus was the better Qb that is why he played. He had a better arm and pocket presence. Shuler was the more mobile guy and had injury concerns. Who won that QB job?


We have the same situation but we gave up a lot of draft picks for Rg3. That will be the determining factor on our starting QB not the Qb play. Why? b/c Synder runs the team.

 

[skinsdad62]

Kirk Cousins has thrown 14 touchdowns and 15 interceptions in his 11 career regular season games. He has also lost 3 fumbles (18 total turnovers). Washington's record is 3-8 in his 11 games and 1-5 in his 6 career starts. If Cousins had enough career attempts to qualify, he would be the NFL's active career leader in interception rate/ percentage (4.7%). First place currently belongs to Rex Grossman (3.8%).

In 30 games, Griffin has turned the ball over 26 times. In 11 games, Cousins has turned the ball over 18 times. Some of that stems from situations, entering late and needing to force throws. However, Cousins tends to force throws throughout the game, so that’s not the only reason they happen. The game got out of hand because of his turnovers; well, in part because of them.


now i find it hard for you or anyone else to make a case he is better then RG3 at this point in time subject to change

 

[skinsdad62]

Here is a look at each of Cousins' interceptions Thursday:
Third-and-3, Redskins’ 43-yard line. Grant struggled to create any sort of separation between himself and cornerback Prince Amukamara. Cousins reached his third step, planted and threw. It was a questionable decision anyway, considering Grant was not open. But it was made worse by where he threw the ball: to Grant’s inside shoulder, right where Amukamara was sitting. An easy pick. Cousins clearly trusts Grant, but, when he’s going against a cornerback playing as well as Amukamara, that’s a tough play for him to make.
Second-and-9, Redskins’ 2. Another decision that just wasn’t good. And it goes back a little to the completion Cousins had last week to Pierre Garcon along the sideline. He stuck the throw in there, so that was great. But when you make a similar decision and a less-than-perfect throw? An interception results. Garcon did not have any advantage against Amukamara running down the left side. Safety Quintin Demps was in the middle of the field and waited, then pounced. Cousins reached the top of his drop, stared at Garcon, drifted and then threw. Demps’ speed plus an overthrow made it an easy pick. Cousins got greedy and did not manipulate the safety at all. A checkdown for 4 or 5 yards was available.
Second-and-11, Redskins’ 24. The Redskins had three receivers to the right, and the Giants countered by playing a zone. All cornerback Trumaine McBride did was drop to his spot and wait. Cousins did not step into it as much as he needed to, or should have. Mathias Kiwanuka was in his line of vision. But it’s a play Cousins just did not see and the ball had little zip. Add it up, an easy pick.
Third-and-11, Redskins’ 49. It did not help that left guard Josh LeRibeus was knocked over, leading to pressure on Cousins. One issue was his inability to step into the throw, resulting in a deep ball with little juice. But the other problem is that he really didn’t sell the safeties. Cousins stared at DeSean Jackson, running a go down the left side, the entire time. He even pump-faked to his right, but his eyes were still looking at Jackson. No one bit on the pump; Antrel Rolle, playing the deep outside, just sat and pounced. Again, another easy pick and a poor job of manipulating the defense -- something Cousins had done well vs. Jacksonville.

not saying this is the end all be all on KC but my previous 2 posts show that KC has work to do

 

[skinsdad62]

Yes, quarterback Kirk Cousins was dreadful. He's now started two games, and this is what he's done: played one terrific half, hit a few timely throws in another and then was dreadful in the next two halves, both of which were played Thursday night.

In six career starts, he has put up good numbers in three games and not-so-good numbers in the other three. He's a fourth-round pick who is either a young quarterback still developing or a guy who is what he is. Cousins needs to do a lot of things right to play well. When he doesn't, he can't rely on a cannon arm to avoid danger or his legs to bail him out. He knows that; the NFL world knows that.


Cousins
Cousins can't stare down receivers and get away with it, as the New York Giants, who entered the game feeling they could pressure him into mistakes, said he was doing. Cousins turns the ball over a lot (four interceptions and a lost fumble against the Giants) for a guy who is said to be someone who can manage games well. He gets rid of the ball fast; he also takes chances on throws, and if he's off, it's a pick.

"On certain routes, he was staring down his targets," Giants safety Antrel Rolle said.

No kidding.

now again how polished is he again ? I hate this dean and others but i have heard this tune before and all of these short comings were about Rg3

the truth is both need work and we need to be patient

 

[azrairc]

This team could go 4-12 again

 

[SoCalWizFan]

How can you have concerns about Cousins when he only had 6 starts? What makes you guys think RG3 is going to become a good pocket passer? Its funny that DGfan brought up Gus vs Shuler. Gus was the better Qb that is why he played. He had a better arm and pocket presence. Shuler was the more mobile guy and had injury concerns. Who won that QB job?


We have the same situation but we gave up a lot of draft picks for Rg3. That will be the determining factor on our starting QB not the Qb play. Why? b/c Synder runs the team.

Are you for real? Because Cousins has only 6 starts & most of them have been shaky is the exact reason why we should be concerned. Also - I never stated that RG3 was going to be a good long term QB. Both of them have major concerns which if you would admit to if you take off your Redskins glasses. How could anyone see it any other way?

Although there flaws are dramatically different both QBs try to be aggressive & win too much on their own which has caused concerns for both of them. For RG3 it is being to quick to move out of the pocket and his potential for injuries. For Cousins it is his gambler mentality where he forces one time to many and has thrown several critical INTs.

For both of them we will never know if they have overcome any of this until at least a year + of play. We can witness either one of them having a good game or two & think "this is the guy" & then be letdown when one of them has a stinker of game, gets injured, etc.

This is a long process & it will take a while to determine if either one of them should be the starting QB or if unfortunately the team needs to go in another direction. QB is not an easy position to play. If you feel that Cousins just had a bad game or is simply not getting a fair shot with the Skins then you are being delusional.

Again - I want what is best for the Redskins not for RG3, Cousins or any of their fans. For the QB position that remains TBD.

HTTR

 

[deanpet21]

socal if this is a competition of course the favorite it RG3 b/c of what we gave up for him. Yes Cousins had a bad game. I don't think he will throw 4 ints every game. You are delusional if you believe that.

 

[skinsdad62]

socal if this is a competition of course the favorite it RG3 b/c of what we gave up for him. Yes Cousins had a bad game. I don't think he will throw 4 ints every game. You are delusional if you believe that.

are you blind ? i just showed you Kc''s career stats and he isnt better then rg3 period

 

[j_y19]

socal if this is a competition of course the favorite it RG3 b/c of what we gave up for him. Yes Cousins had a bad game. I don't think he will throw 4 ints every game. You are delusional if you believe that.

Dean, there is only 1 person that is being delusional right now. Will KC throw 4 INTs every game? No. Will he turn the ball over at twice the rate of RG3? Yes. That's proven. Nothing kills a team quicker than turnovers. If you would take the time to do your own research and not take the bloggers/analysts opinions as gospel, you will find that KC has always been a turnover machine. So what makes you think that he is going to change this flaw that he has always had?

 

[deanpet21]

I think he will change b/c he is still young. Romo is a turnover machine as well and he had a good career. I just think KC fits what Gruden wants to do here better than RG3. I think RG3 will always be an injury prone QB who can read defenses. We will see.

 

[deanpet21]

dad RG3 has had more starts and more experience than KC. How can you bring up the history? Plus when RG3 was good he was a read option QB. He can not continue to do that if he wants to survive in this league. KC could be the next Andy Dalton. You guys don't want that?

 

[j_y19]

I think he will change b/c he is still young. Romo is a turnover machine as well and he had a good career. I just think KC fits what Gruden wants to do here better than RG3. I think RG3 will always be an injury prone QB who can read defenses. We will see.

Romo is not a turnover machine. What he does is turn the ball over at really bad times.

RG3 may always be injury prone. We may have bought a really nice sports car, but it will always be in the shop. But that doesn't mean you don't drive it when its working. It also means that you don't replace RG3 with a QB that will look great for 3 qtrs and implode in the 4th.

Andy Dalton never does that.

 

[skinsdad62]

dad RG3 has had more starts and more experience than KC. How can you bring up the history? Plus when RG3 was good he was a read option QB. He can not continue to do that if he wants to survive in this league. KC could be the next Andy Dalton. You guys don't want that?

ok how many times do i need to go over this with you ?

the read option is a play . they ran it 101 times out of 900 his rookie year or 1/9 of the time

KC's career stats dont even equal Rg3's worst season and they ran the read option play even less

his record was 3-8 compared to Rg3's last season at 3-9

both qbs are young dean , both have potential to be solid starters but to declare one better then the other because your latest man crush flavor of the day is playing is simply foolishness

and again i will bring up facts dean, Rg3 has never been injured on a read option play never in the pros

he got hurt on a roll out vs the falcons , he got hurt on a scramble vs the ravens , he got hurt (originally ) on a roll out vs the seahawks with the coup degrace on a snap in the pocket . his last injury was on a roll out vs the jags

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Dean is grasping at straws now. Wonder how he'd react if I openly cheered a bad Cousins injury.

Dad punked him pretty well. The numbers are right there to see and only someone desperate to prove his point will continue to deny them. This is not about the last game, it's about the facts to date. And just as we said all along Kirk Cousins has not done nearly enough to take the job from a guy who won the Rookie of the Year just 2 seaons ago. He is not Heath Shuler. No Robert Griffin actually performed at a very high level, in the NFL Shuler never came close to doing that.

Not only did only 1/9th of the plays involve the read option in 2012 but this "gimmick" offensive is now being run by the 2 top offenses in the NFC including the champs. We will see on Monday night just what a gimmick offense will do to our defense.

 

[deanpet21]

No man crush involved. I just think KC fits Grudens system better than RG3. It will be interesting to see how KC responds to his bad outing against Seattle and ARI.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

No man crush involved. I just think KC fits Grudens system better than RG3. It will be interesting to see how KC responds to his bad outing against Seattle and ARI.

You are hopeless. You don't listen to anyone unless they 100% agree with you. IMO - you are a terrible Redskins fan. You don't care about the team - you only care about the team if Cousins is their QB. You also appear to want RG3 to fail which is pretty lame if you actually consider yourself a fan.

Again - read carefully. I already stated that neither of these guys may be the future for the Redskins. Both have their flaws & will need a lot of work to correct their issues. You stated that Cousins issues could be corrected but somehow you appear to believe that RG3's issues (e.g. not reading defenses correctly) are not correctable. How did you come to that brilliant conclusion?

Oh well - again - you are hopeless. You have a hard on for Cousins & just like a schoolgirl in love no amt of reasoning is going to work with you. Keep rooting for Cousins - I choose to root for the team & anybody who is behind center for the Redskins.

HTTR

 

[deanpet21]

im for what is best for the team. Do you really think I want to give up on RG3 with the picks we gave up for him? Its my opinion that I think Cousins is better fit for this football team b/c of the new coach. How does that make me a bad fan? lol. you guys are crazy. If someone disagrees with Rg3's playing style you bash them?


I'm not alone why did Gruden say to the media that RG3 might not get his job back when he is healthy? Explain that comment boys.