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[skinsdad62]

cali give it a rest. every analyst and players were shocked on how he played. There is no way you can write this guy off.

dean have you ever been around the block ? every analyst was on KC's nut sack last week and after that game every analyst was torching him

here is what you need to learn . young qbs need time to grow . both Rg3 and Kc are under 25 . they will make mistakes

stop chasing the flavor of the day like the damn press does and open your eyes .

our team wont be a contender until we fix the LOS and have stability in the FO and coaching staff

 

[j_y19]

Dean, you need to also learn that these so called "analysts" are not really analysts. They follow each other around looking for the hot news of the day that they can promote to get readers, viewers, etc. This was the same issue you had in the draft. You lock in on a player because some "analyst" claims he is the next sean taylor. In reality, that analyst, as do most of them, never leave their computer. They watch highlight films, usually put together by the players agent, they look at stats, and they monitor other analysts grades. Just like you and I. They do no interviews, no background checks, nothing to really evaluate a player. Yet you take their words as gospel. I guarantee you that you know more about Cousins that these analysts you follow. So if you were honest with yourself, you would realize that Cousins is erratic. He can be hot but he can be terrible, too. He has not shown us that he is a franchise QB yet because he cannot be counted on to hang onto the ball.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Dean, you need to also learn that these so called "analysts" are not really analysts. They follow each other around looking for the hot news of the day that they can promote to get readers, viewers, etc. This was the same issue you had in the draft. You lock in on a player because some "analyst" claims he is the next sean taylor. In reality, that analyst, as do most of them, never leave their computer. They watch highlight films, usually put together by the players agent, they look at stats, and they monitor other analysts grades. Just like you and I. They do no interviews, no background checks, nothing to really evaluate a player. Yet you take their words as gospel. I guarantee you that you know more about Cousins that these analysts you follow. So if you were honest with yourself, you would realize that Cousins is erratic. He can be hot but he can be terrible, too. He has not shown us that he is a franchise QB yet because he cannot be counted on to hang onto the ball.

Obviously I agree. Nobody is writing Kirk Cousins off but it's not to early to recognize his obvious issues. Again Kirk Cousins had turnover issues throughout college too so this is nothing new. It's what he does and you will never win with a QB who turns the ball over. And so far he's 1-5 as a starter.

Now can he improve and correct these issues? Of course he can, just as Griffin can learn to play in the pocket. But this poster who stooped so low as to openly cheer a horrible injury is again trying to have it both ways. He and others say Cousins can improve but Griffin can't They dismiss the last 3 games as meaningless and prove nothing yet they base a lot of their reasoning for a QB switch on preseason games which were obviously much more meaningless.

I would love to see Kirk Cousins first half vs. second half stats. They have to be downright scary. I want my QB to be Mr. October, so far we have Mr. May.

 

[cowboycolors]

dean have you ever been around the block ? every analyst was on KC's nut sack last week and after that game every analyst was torching him

here is what you need to learn . young qbs need time to grow . both Rg3 and Kc are under 25 . they will make mistakes

stop chasing the flavor of the day like the damn press does and open your eyes .

our team wont be a contender until we fix the LOS and have stability in the FO and coaching staff

As usual the voice of reason after a really bad game. No nice way to put it the Skins stunk up the joint Thursday. Cousins is on his 5th start right ? and some of the folks had him going to canton next offseason. Dad is right you need a LOS boost on both sides of the ball with players under 30 , a season or 2 of QB play without injury and a Coaching staff that gets it . As far as FO stability well with Snyder you never know and that's not a shot I have Jerry Jones so I feel the pain 2.

Don't think that Gruden is the right coach but that's JMHO and that and 6 bucks will get u a cup of coffee and a slice of banana nut bread at Starbucks.

Lots of work to be done on the Redskins and the Cowboys before they are back to solid respectability.

Sunday night will be a test for what My Boys still have to get done our Defense is suspect to be nice and Romo is not right after the back surgery could be a long night indeed.

lots of football left here's to no more major injuries for both teams

 

[deanpet21]

jy19 if you compare Cousins to Romo than we have a good Qb for our future. He had a bad game I admit that but to say he is only a backup in this league is crazy. KC is a starting QB in the NFL. You cant put the sack fumble or the Paulsen turnover on him. If those two plays didn't happen its a totally different game. You guys are not shocked on what happened in the 3rd qtr? Cmon.


RG3 will never last in this league. He is a great talent\athlete but not a great QB. You have to stay in the pocket and read defenses in this league to be successful. I don't believe he can do that. The only reason why he was successful in his rookie year was b/c he was a read option running QB. If you continue to play like that you will not last in the league.

 

[kramer1]

The biggest problem you guys have is Jay Gruden's ego.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So when the OL fails Cousins we point out the OL stinks., which is true. But when the OL fails Griffin and he is forced to throw short passes, which he completed at a very high rate, Griffin sucks. Got it.

Again the point is if Cousins can improve n his weaknesses then why can't Griffin? While the injury issues are a real concern Keenan Robinson was always hurt his first few years too. If it's too early to write off Cousins it's sure too early to write off a player who was ROOKIE OF THE YEAR

Again you are imposing a ridiculous double standard dean.

 

[j_y19]

jy19 if you compare Cousins to Romo than we have a good Qb for our future. He had a bad game I admit that but to say he is only a backup in this league is crazy. KC is a starting QB in the NFL. You cant put the sack fumble or the Paulsen turnover on him. If those two plays didn't happen its a totally different game. You guys are not shocked on what happened in the 3rd qtr? Cmon.


RG3 will never last in this league. He is a great talent\athlete but not a great QB. You have to stay in the pocket and read defenses in this league to be successful. I don't believe he can do that. The only reason why he was successful in his rookie year was b/c he was a read option running QB. If you continue to play like that you will not last in the league.

Wow, where to start. First, this is not about rg3. Second, Romo has won nothing so I wouldn't be happy if the cousins to romo comparisons are accurate. Which they are not. The only comparison you can make between the two is that they both turn the ball over in very in opportune times. When I say KC is a backup in this league, he is until he proves otherwise. 1-5 record as a starter, 18 turnovers in 7 games, falling flat in 2nd halves does not prove otherwise. Doesn't mean he can't turn it around, but he is not there yet. KC still makes the same mistakes he did in college. He gets rattled and loses it.

 

[j_y19]

So when the OL fails Cousins we point out the OL stinks., which is true. But when the OL fails Griffin and he is forced to throw short passes, which he completed at a very high rate, Griffin sucks. Got it.

Again the point is if Cousins can improve n his weaknesses then why can't Griffin? While the injury issues are a real concern Keenan Robinson was always hurt his first few years too. If it's too early to write off Cousins it's sure too early to write off a player who was ROOKIE OF THE YEAR

Again you are imposing a ridiculous double standard dean.

I agree that there is a double standard by some. The only exception I would take is that a fair portion of RG3s sacks are his fault. KC clearly gets rid of the ball quicker. Usually when KC gets sacked, it is the OLs fault. The OL still stinks for both.

 

[deanpet21]

KC would be thrilled to have a career like Romo's and his money jy19. Watch the Texans game again DG fan. RG3 is not a pocket passer. Shanny couldn't make Griffen a pocket passer. KC deserves more chances that RG3 b/c he only has 6 career starts.


It will be interesting to see which QB gets a higher trade value at the end of the year. You know they are both not staying here next year.

 

[deanpet21]

ok jy19 do you admit that KC is the better pocket passer and has better pocket awareness? RG3 runs into sacks that is a known fact. Plus who is more injury prone? Rg3 or KC?

 

[j_y19]

Once again, you miss my point. This isn't about RG3. That's a different subject. This is about your belief that KC is a franchise qb because the analysts were raving about him. And while KC might be thrilled to have a romo like career and money, that doesn't mean we should be. Do you want romo as your QB?

 

[Raid]

Really - why would anyone want Romo as their QB after watching him over the years?

 

[deanpet21]

Romo has been to Pro Bowls and always have kept Dallas as a potential playoff team. Is he a 100 million dollar QB? NO, but you can win with him.


jy19 its about who is the better Qb now and for the future for the Redskins? RG3 or KC. Simple as that.


Who fits better in Gruden's system?
Who is injury prone?
Who is better in the pocket?
Who has better pocket awareness?


That is what this is all about. Finding a QB. Its either one of these two.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

In fairness to dean I was the one to bring RGIII into the conversation. You just can't have this discussion without comparing the 2 QBs

Again I totally get that 2 of the sacks against Houston were on Griffin. No doubt Cousins gets rid of the ball quicker and appears to be a more polished QB in the pocket. But standing tall and throwing on time really doesn't mean much when you throw it behind the receiver on 4th down or to the other guy on a regular basis. Cousins has his moments but he just does not hit what he is throwing at waaaay too often for me to conclude that he is the starting QB to lead this team to the promised land. Frankly there is not much evidence to say that he is to date.

Again playing in the pocket it something Griffin can improve on. He has been doing it since May. Cousins on the other hand has a problem with turnovers. This is not a problem he has been trying to improve on since May, this is a problem he has been trying to improve on since 2009.

 

[deanpet21]

So you think RG3 is the QB now and for the future?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So you think RG3 is the QB now and for the future?

Unlike you I am willing to show the patience that is needed to find out. You guys are going with the quick fix because Cousins appears further along today. I'm not worried about today, I'm thinking about the next decade. And I'm pretty sure Kirk Cousins will not be that guy.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

By the way I agree with you on Romo. Sure he has had a lot of chokes. He has also kept them competitive with crap around him and has more 4th quarter comebacks than any QB in Cowboys history.

 

[KickSaveDave]

The biggest problem you guys have is Dan Snyder's ego.

Yep, nailed it!

 

[deanpet21]

Im not for the quick fix approach. One Qb will be gone in the off season. Rg3 has the edge b/c of what we gave up for him and Synder wants him to be the QB. BUT, is he the better QB? Is he the better pocket passer? Plus you have to add his injury prone body into the equation. That has to factor into the decision in the off season.


I just believe that RG3 will not have longevity in this league. Is he the better athlete yes but he is not the better QB. I would build around Cousins. The odds are against Cousins b/c Synder wants RG3 to be the guy. Cousins has to put up huge games to unseat RG3. That is not fair.