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[trojanfan12]

The democrats are doing what they believe is best for the country.

No they aren't. Nice try. Every one of the most powerful among them Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hillary...every one of them is on record saying we need more border security. Yet, they don't even want to try to compromise.

They are doing it just to hurt Trump's chances of re-election, not because it's what's best for the country.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Sorry, but not liking someone isn't a reason to not do your job. Period.

If the rest of us decided to not do our jobs because our boss is an asshole...we wouldn't have them for very long.

And you can try to claim that Trump is being treated the same as Obama all you want. It still won't make it true.

While I don't agree with them taking that action, stonewalling a vote on a Supreme Court nominee is nothing compared to what's going on now.

As for Obamacare (which is fucking horrible and was crammed down our throats) the Republicans presented their own version and tried to compromise on it.

That's also a pretty bad thing to use since Obamacare is crap and far more expensive than we were told it would be. All Obama care has done is show that the Republicans were right to oppose it.

And literally forcing people to pay for it whether they wanted it or not.

Trump isn't their boss - He is the leader of the country, but the constitution is set up so that he has to work with them. They are doing their job - they are refusing to sign off on something they don't believe in.

Trump isn't being treated the same way that Obama is - Perhaps he should look in the mirror and ask himself why. He's a smart boy - he can figure out - Old saying - you catch more flies with honey then you do vinegar. That's called being a leader, a stateman

Obama-Care was a really bad legislation - Made things worse - no question about that.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

No they aren't. Nice try. Every one of the most powerful among them Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hillary...every one of them is on record saying we need more border security. Yet, they don't even want to try to compromise.

They are doing it just to hurt Trump's chances of re-election, not because it's what's best for the country.

They obviously think they are and they have a large following that stands with them. They are not doing anything different then what the other party has done in the past.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

No they aren't. Nice try. Every one of the most powerful among them Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hillary...every one of them is on record saying we need more border security. Yet, they don't even want to try to compromise.

They are doing it just to hurt Trump's chances of re-election, not because it's what's best for the country.

And like many in the country - they believe that is a good thing. It might work too, if the Democrats can come with a considerably better then a candidate like Hilary or Sanders.

 

[msgkings322]

Sorry, but not liking someone isn't a reason to not do your job. Period.

If the rest of us decided to not do our jobs because our boss is an asshole...we wouldn't have them for very long.

And you can try to claim that Trump is being treated the same as Obama all you want. It still won't make it true.

While I don't agree with them taking that action, stonewalling a vote on a Supreme Court nominee is nothing compared to what's going on now.

As for Obamacare (which is fucking horrible and was crammed down our throats) the Republicans presented their own version and tried to compromise on it.

That's also a pretty bad thing to use since Obamacare is crap and far more expensive than we were told it would be. All Obama care has done is show that the Republicans were right to oppose it.

And literally forcing people to pay for it whether they wanted it or not.

You keep saying them doing their jobs is them not doing their jobs. Their job isn't to just bend over for Trump.

The Reps thought their job was to block Obama at every turn. The Dems think the same of Trump. It sounds like you agree with the Reps version but not the Dems, which is fine but it's not accurate.

Trump is definitely being treated just like the Reps treated Obama. If you don't remember Mitch McConnell saying his #1 job was to make Obama a one-term president, if you don't remember the dynamic of the Obama years, then we can't really have a decent discussion since we can't even agree on the reality we are discussing.

 

[trojanfan12]

Blocking Trump IS them doing their jobs according to their voters (same as the Reps with Obama), and it's usually also what's best for the country.

No, it's not. They are literally going against what they themselves have called for just to hurt Trump. That is not doing what's best for the country.

It's one thing to oppose him on things they disagree with. That is doing their job. That's why the Founding Fathers set things up the way they did. There should be disagreement, debate and compromise. When that happens, they're doing their jobs.

But when they won't even try to compromise on something they actually are on record as agreeing with...they're not doing their jobs.

 

[msgkings322]

No they aren't. Nice try. Every one of the most powerful among them Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hillary...every one of them is on record saying we need more border security. Yet, they don't even want to try to compromise.

They are doing it just to hurt Trump's chances of re-election, not because it's what's best for the country.

Yeah well the Reps all said we have to fix healthcare too but when it came time to do that they didn't want Obama to get a win. The parallels are pretty obvious actually. And you haven't mentioned Congress not doing their CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED job and voting on Obama's SC nominee. Just to deny him a win (and they could have voted him down! They didn't even let him have a vote). You have ZERO evidence that Trump is being treated differently, because it's exactly the same.

I suspect it will be hard for you to admit this, because even more than sports (but in a similar fashion), in politics once we put down our flag on a take about Trump, or Obama (or LeBron, or McCaw, or Javale, or whomever)...its hard for us to back down from it.

 

[msgkings322]

No, it's not. They are literally going against what they themselves have called for just to hurt Trump. That is not doing what's best for the country.

It's one thing to oppose him on things they disagree with. That is doing their job. That's why the Founding Fathers set things up the way they did. There should be disagreement, debate and compromise. When that happens, they're doing their jobs.

But when they won't even try to compromise on something they actually are on record as agreeing with...they're not doing their jobs.

Just like healthcare, the sides agree something should be done, but they disagree on what. This is the same. The Reps were blocking Obama just to hurt him, and curry favor with their base, just as the Dems are now doing.

And again, I suspect you think the Reps were doing their jobs with Obama. That's the problem with partisanship. They were not, in almost the same way. Worse when it came to the Supreme Court.

 

[trojanfan12]

And like many in the country - they believe that is a good thing.

It's not a good thing to not do their job just to hurt his re-election chances. It's hypocritical.

Whether he will or should be re-elected isn't up to them. It's up to voters. It's on them to do their job and let the rest of us decide if Trump deserves to be re-elected or not.

They are there to represent us, not themselves.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

No, it's not. They are literally going against what they themselves have called for just to hurt Trump. That is not doing what's best for the country.

It's one thing to oppose him on things they disagree with. That is doing their job. That's why the Founding Fathers set things up the way they did. There should be disagreement, debate and compromise. When that happens, they're doing their jobs.

But when they won't even try to compromise on something they actually are on record as agreeing with...they're not doing their jobs.

That's your opinion - Everyone is entitled to his own opinion - Have a happy new year - forget about it and enjoy the kids and wife - Politics is not worth the fight any ways

 

[msgkings322]

It's not a good thing to not do their job just to hurt his re-election chances. It's hypocritical.

Whether he will or should be re-elected isn't up to them. It's up to voters. It's on them to do their job and let the rest of us decide if Trump deserves to be re-elected or not.

They are there to represent us, not themselves.

Are you denying the Reps did this exact thing to Obama (as in my McConnell quote above)? Even with the Garland cockblock?

 

[msgkings322]

That's your opinion - Everyone is entitled to his own opinion - Have a happy new year - forget about it and enjoy the kids and wife - Politics is not worth the fight any ways

This is the most accurate thing said here, politics doesn't matter in our lives. Way less than the NBA (totally serious).

I suspect @trojanfan12 is just having fun with it, as most of us here are.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yeah well the Reps all said we have to fix healthcare too but when it came time to do that they didn't want Obama to get a win.

Not true. Republicans presented their own plan and they tried to compromise on Obamacare and suggested several changes, including not forcing people to pay for something whether they wanted it or not.

And you haven't mentioned Congress not doing their CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED job and voting on Obama's SC nominee.

Actually, I did. Post #400.

You, however, haven't addressed (unless I missed it), Trump supporters being physically attacked and kicked out of restaurants.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Yeah well the Reps all said we have to fix healthcare too but when it came time to do that they didn't want Obama to get a win. The parallels are pretty obvious actually. And you haven't mentioned Congress not doing their CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED job and voting on Obama's SC nominee. Just to deny him a win (and they could have voted him down! They didn't even let him have a vote). You have ZERO evidence that Trump is being treated differently, because it's exactly the same.

I suspect it will be hard for you to admit this, because even more than sports (but in a similar fashion), in politics once we put down our flag on a take about Trump, or Obama (or LeBron, or McCaw, or Javale, or whomever)...its hard for us to back down from it.

They have been trying to fix the healthcare system since after Ronald Reagan who slashed Medicare big time. Personally I think if they offered Medicare to anyone 60 and over and allowed them to enter the system at Market Value of what it would cost to purchase the insurance - that would fix a huge portion. Statistics used to indicate that the major problems with health start as people get over 50

 

[True Lakers Fan]

This is the most accurate thing said here, politics doesn't matter in our lives. Way less than the NBA (totally serious).

I suspect @trojanfan12 is just having fun with it, as most of us here are.

No he is quite serious - I tangled with him in the politics room - Which is the reason I try to avoid politics in here. Politics make people's blood boil. You want to lose your best friends in life - just discuss politics and I would laugh but it's not funny

 

[True Lakers Fan]

In fact this entire thread is political and belongs in the politics room with the exception that everyone agrees that LeBron was wrong - Now it's time to move on - Just because he is an athlete, doesn't mean he knows what he is talking about

 

[trojanfan12]

Just like healthcare, the sides agree something should be done, but they disagree on what. This is the same.

Actually, it isn't. They have been quoted as wanting pretty much exactly what the Border Patrol suggested to Trump when he brought them in early in his Presidency.

The Republicans had real concerns and real differences over Obamacare (and they have turned out to be right).

The Democrats agree on Border Security. They just don't want to give Trump a win. That is the sole reason for their opposition.

 

[msgkings322]

Not true. Republicans presented their own plan and they tried to compromise on Obamacare and suggested several changes, including not forcing people to pay for something whether they wanted it or not.



Actually, I did. Post #400.

You, however, haven't addressed (unless I missed it), Trump supporters being physically attacked and kicked out of restaurants.

Yes I did, I said that's terrible of course. What's your point? We are talking about Trump and Congress not how some assholes treat Trump supporters.

I suspect you are a staunch Rep so I don't think we can make each other see our points. No biggie, it's just politics. Happy New Year, brother!

 

[msgkings322]

Actually, it isn't. They have been quoted as wanting pretty much exactly what the Border Patrol suggested to Trump when he brought them in early in his Presidency.

The Republicans had real concerns and real differences over Obamacare (and they have turned out to be right).

The Democrats agree on Border Security. They just don't want to give Trump a win. That is the sole reason for their opposition.

They agree that we need some border security. They don't agree on a Wall. Again, I think you are too dug in to see it.

 

[trojanfan12]

This is the most accurate thing said here, politics doesn't matter in our lives. Way less than the NBA (totally serious).

I suspect @trojanfan12 is just having fun with it, as most of us here are.

Agree. I used to be very into politics, etc. But over the years, I've become disgusted with the whole lot of them.

While I don't think the system is "broken". It's long overdue for some serious maintenance. I love the idea of Trump and I love that he's an outsider who is shaking things up.

The problem is, he has no diplomacy and very little decorum. A "Trump type" who isn't always looking to pick a fight with everyone would be a great thing for the country, imo.