WhoDeyRevolution finally speaks out....

[kramer1]

It's the cult of personality inside that locker room. The personality is shit.

 

[futballiscool]

Maybe "lost the locker room" was a bit extreme, but there's no denying that the vibe that came out of the locker room and onto the field was different between 2003 and 2006 than it is now. It's one thing to have "yes men" and another to have your team unequivocally buy what you're selling.

When a coach has been in one place for a decade with a losing record and no playoff wins it's impossible for the players to buy what he's selling...

I initally blamed Mike Brown, but for Lewis to sign another extension after the 2010 season showed that he's no better than the owner

 

[bengaldoug]

When a coach has been in one place for a decade with a losing record and no playoff wins it's impossible for the players to buy what he's selling...

I initally blamed Mike Brown, but for Lewis to sign another extension after the 2010 season showed that he's no better than the owner

I agree they are equally to blame.......that Brown still wants Lewis after his lack of success is ridiculous, and that Lewis still wants to be here shows that he is not easily embarrassed.....or that he enjoys having the bootprints of John Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin on his face......

 

[flamingrey]

IIRC, Lewis did not seem to garner much interest around the league prior to re-signing. Without interest anywhere else, if an owner is dumb enough to give him another opportunity in the same place he failed for 8 years, can you really blame for coming back?

 

[kramer1]

You can't blame Lewis at all for staying. Free money. I'll take some.

 

[futballiscool]

IIRC, Lewis did not seem to garner much interest around the league prior to re-signing. Without interest anywhere else, if an owner is dumb enough to give him another opportunity in the same place he failed for 8 years, can you really blame for coming back?

For 4 yrs, 5 yrs, 6 yrs.. fine..

but at this point I think almost any other coach would have had enough. What's the longest coaching tenure without a playoff win? I think he has all the money he needs at this point.

 

[flamingrey]

So you'd expect him to take a lesser role - assuming he get's ANY role anywhere - somewhere else? It would never happen. And neither would any other coach in the league.

 

[futballiscool]

So you'd expect him to take a lesser role - assuming he get's ANY role anywhere - somewhere else? It would never happen. And neither would any other coach in the league.

Just as an example Gruden supposedly turned down Head Coaching interviews in the offseason..

I'm guessing there are tons of coaches who wouldn't stay in one spot this long with such little success. it's impossible to prove either way. just my hunch.

 

[flamingrey]

We don't know what was behind Gruden's refusal. He could have been given guarantees by Brown for the Bengals HC position. Secondly, just given his name and what he's done so far, and his age, he'll be getting plenty of interviews in the future.

Nonetheless, I would consider Gruden an exception. He's the same guy who didn't want to leave the AFL for OC offers in NFL just because he didn't want to leave Orlando. The only reason he even came to the NFL was because his team in Orlando folded.

Find me ONE coach who has voluntarily walked away from a head coaching position for a lesser position somewhere else. It hasn't ever happened. Nor will it ever happen.

 

[futballiscool]

We don't know what was behind Gruden's refusal. He could have been given guarantees by Brown for the Bengals HC position. Secondly, just given his name and what he's done so far, and his age, he'll be getting plenty of interviews in the future.

Nonetheless, I would consider Gruden an exception. He's the same guy who didn't want to leave the AFL for OC offers in NFL just because he didn't want to leave Orlando. The only reason he even came to the NFL was because his team in Orlando folded.

Find me ONE coach who has voluntarily walked away from a head coaching position for a lesser position somewhere else. It hasn't ever happened. Nor will it ever happen.[/QUOTE]

And find me the coach who stayed on a ten plus yr tenure while he had a losing record and no playoff wins. this is an unprecedented situation..

I think there are plenty of high profile coordinators who wouldnt even take a HC job with Mike Brown.

 

[flamingrey]

And find me the coach who stayed on a ten plus yr tenure while he had a losing record and no playoff wins. this is an unprecedented situation..

I think there are plenty of high profile coordinators who wouldnt even take a HC job with Mike Brown.

At least you have hundreds and hundreds of samples to choose from in my scenario, while in yours there's only 1, Marvin.

But since you asked...Marvin Lewis. 1 out of 1. 100%.

While I disagree that a coordinator would turn down a HC job in Cincinnati, that's besides the point. The only thing that is of concern here is how many would voluntarily take a demotion. The answer is 0.

 

[futballiscool]

At least you have hundreds and hundreds of samples to choose from in my scenario, while in yours there's only 1, Marvin.

But since you asked...Marvin Lewis. 1 out of 1. 100%.

While I disagree that a coordinator would turn down a HC job in Cincinnati, that's besides the point. The only thing that is of concern here is how many would voluntarily take a demotion. The answer is 0.

and that's the point!!!

 

[cincygrad]

Marv's issue is that he is unwanted..... There was plenty of chatter that he was trying to parlay a good 2010 season into a new coaching gig -- Lots of potential opportunities were supposed to come up that year. There were then reports, via Florio's site, that Lewis' agent was trying to put out word that he was available when his contract was getting ready to expire. When everyone looked the other way, Lewis came back. I figure at this point he has two options. One is to continue to 'shovel' shit with the Bengals or the second is to work on television. No way he's going back to coordinating a defense - He's too far removed and no HC would want him after he's had free reign for so long.

 

[flamingrey]

and that's the point!!!

Ok, so your contention is because it's never had an opportunity to happen before, it would never happen? That's silly.

That's 100% opinion (unless we include Marvin, then it'd be 100% false).

Coaches don't voluntarily leave a HC position for a demotion. That's 100% FACT. 100% correlation.

 

[flamingrey]

Marv's issue is that he is unwanted..... There was plenty of chatter that he was trying to parlay a good 2010 season into a new coaching gig -- Lots of potential opportunities were supposed to come up that year. There were then reports, via Florio's site, that Lewis' agent was trying to put out word that he was available when his contract was getting ready to expire. When everyone looked the other way, Lewis came back. I figure at this point he has two options. One is to continue to 'shovel' shit with the Bengals or the second is to work on television. No way he's going back to coordinating a defense - He's too far removed and no HC would want him after he's had free reign for so long.

Well apparently Marvin is a loser for not quitting and having confidence in his abilities to still turn it around...at least according to some.

 

[cincygrad]

Well apparently Marvin is a loser for not quitting and having confidence in his abilities to still turn it around...at least according to some.

I don't think he's a loser.... I think he's delusional. I think he really believes he's going to win.

 

[futballiscool]

Ok, so your contention is because it's never had an opportunity to happen before, it would never happen? That's silly.

That's 100% opinion (unless we include Marvin, then it'd be 100% false).

Coaches don't voluntarily leave a HC position for a demotion. That's 100% FACT. 100% correlation.[/QUOTE]

And there's a 99.999 percent correlation of having had to win at least one playoff game and/or needing a winning regular season record to keep a HC position for a decade plus...

I think many, many head coaches are too competitive to stay in the same place with such limited success over such a long period of time. You can disagree..

the fact that this situation is unprecedented makes the arguement entirely hypotheitcal

 

[flamingrey]

And there's a 99.999 percent correlation of having had to win at least one playoff game and/or needing a winning regular season record to keep a HC position for a decade plus...

I think many, many head coaches are too competitive to stay in the same place with such limited success over such a long period of time. You can disagree..

the fact that this situation is unprecedented makes the arguement entirely hypotheitcal

1) Blame Mike for that, not Marvin.

2) Sure, if they thought it was their fault, AND they had another job lined up.

3) Yes, your scenario is ALL hypothetical, hence, all opinion. Mine, not so much.

 

[bengaldoug]

I don't think he's a loser.... I think he's delusional. I think he really believes he's going to win.

He's the exact example of insane. He keeps doing things the same way over and over expecting a different result.

 

[futballiscool]

1) Blame Mike for that, not Marvin.

2) Sure, if they thought it was their fault, AND they had another job lined up.

3) Yes, your scenario is ALL hypothetical, hence, all opinion. Mine, not so much.

1. at this point I'm blaming them both. I actually think there's a time to step down from a particular position. hell, maybe MB could start a rumour that it was Marvin's wife who wanted out of Cincinnati if Lewis didn't sign the last extension.

2. so you think he's back here because he can't get another job. that's a fair point




3.good one... for someone who talks about Gruden's possible handshake deals as a reason why he didn't interview for HC jobs