Top 32 tournament SS Wagner vs Appling

[obxyankeefan]

Top 32 players ranked by BRWAR(as of 6/18/15).

Shortstop Bracket is:

1 H Wagner 8
32 N Garciaparra 0

16 PW Reese 3
17 L Boudreau 6

8 B Dahlen 8
25 A Fletcher 1

9 L Appling 8
24 D Bancroft 0

4 G Davis 6 advances on seed
29 O Vizquel 6

13 B Larkin 7
20 J Sewell 0

5 R Yount 8
28 V Stephens 4

12 A Trammell 14
21 J Tinker 0

3 C Ripken JR 8
30 T Fernandez 2

14 E Banks 10
19 L Aparicio 0

6 O Smith 16
27 J Rollins 1

11 D Jeter 12
22 B Campaneris 1

2 A Rodriguez 9
31 R Peckinpaugh 0

15 J Cronin 5
18 J Glasscock 4

7 B Wallace 5
26 M Tejada 6

10 A Vaughan 8
23 J Fregosi 0

1 H Wagner 9
17 L Boudreau 0

8 B Dahlen 1
9 L Appling 7

4 G Davis 2
13 B Larkin 10

5 R Yount 6
12 A Trammell 8

3 C Ripken JR 4
14 E Banks 8

6 O Smith 6
11 D Jeter 7

2 A Rodriguez 11
15 J Cronin 2

26 M Tejada 0
10 A Vaughan 10

1 H Wagner
9 L Appling

13 B Larkin
12 A Trammell

14 E Banks
11 D Jeter

2 A Rodriguez
10 A Vaughan

 

[obxyankeefan]

Honus Wagner Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com
Beat Nomar Garciaparra and Lou Boudreau 17-0

Luke Appling Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com
beat Dave Bancroft and Bill Dahlen 15-1

 

[MilkSpiller22]

This is not close at all...

Appling was a below average power hitter(HR% and XBH%), BUT only scored over 100 runs once in his career... That is just not good enough vs a player like Wagner...

 

[calsnowskier]

This is not close at all...

Appling was a below average power hitter(HR% and XBH%), BUT only scored over 100 runs once in his career... That is just not good enough vs a player like Wagner...

Even assuming Appling was a Vizquel-level defender and Wagner was only at about a Ripken or Jeter level, his offense was so dominant he wins in a walk.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Even assuming Appling was a Vizquel-level defender and Wagner was only at about a Ripken or Jeter level, his offense was so dominant he wins in a walk.

Actually Wagner had better best years by dWAR...

 

[calsnowskier]

Actually Wagner had better best years by dWAR...

I was not stating anything factual about their defense.

I was saying, in the scenario where [...], Wagner still wins in a walk.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I was not stating anything factual about their defense.

I was saying, in the scenario where [...], Wagner still wins in a walk.

Oh, in that case I agree...LOL...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Another thing against Appling in this comparison, Appling played in probably the best hitting era in MLB history, while Wagner played in one of the worst...

 

[UK Cowboy]

There's only one guy that can make an argument against Wagner, and he comes with the same question Bonds does.....how many Homers does Ruth, Mays, Mantle, Ted Williams hit if they are juicing? If instead of a natural decline in power in their late 30's, they instead started hitting twice as many as they did in their primes?

 

[calsnowskier]

There's only one guy that can make an argument against Wagner, and he comes with the same question Bonds does.....how many Homers does Ruth, Mays, Mantle, Ted Williams hit if they are juicing? If instead of a natural decline in power in their late 30's, they instead started hitting twice as many as they did in their primes?

It isn't a definite that these guys were NOT juicing. Steroids started up in Ruth's day. And "Greenies" we're getting pop'd by every player in the '60s.

 

[calsnowskier]

There's only one guy that can make an argument against Wagner, and he comes with the same question Bonds does.....how many Homers does Ruth, Mays, Mantle, Ted Williams hit if they are juicing? If instead of a natural decline in power in their late 30's, they instead started hitting twice as many as they did in their primes?

And ARod has positional issues as well. He played a good portion of his career at 3B.

 

[UK Cowboy]

It isn't a definite that these guys were NOT juicing. Steroids started up in Ruth's day. And "Greenies" we're getting pop'd by every player in the '60s.

This is true, but for the most part, baseball players look like they did 40 years ago, just in better shape. Football on the other hand. ..

 

[navamind]

I think Appling's pretty underrated, but this is no contest. Wagner's unquestionably the greatest SS of all-time (unless you put a bunch of stock into A-Rod's brief time at SS). Appling's 113 OPS+ is on par with Ripken and Jeter, and he did have a .399 OBP.