Top 25 - voting discussion thread

[KansasSooner]

So how do you calculate the votes for the top 25? Not that I want that responsibility, but I am curios.

It's a backwards calculation the #1 team gets 25 points, #2 gets 24 and so on until the #25 team gets 1 point. Team with the highest point total is #1 and so on.

 

[Edisto_Tiger]

It's a backwards calculation the #1 team gets 25 points, #2 gets 24 and so on until the #25 team gets 1 point. Team with the highest point total is #1 and so on.

I thought that was how it worked, but wasn't sure. Thanks.

 

[tabascojet]

if you really dont want people discussing the SH vote elsewhere sticking this would be helpful....might help get more discussion in general too.

 

[OregonDucks]

can you sticky this somehow as a sub thread? Like have it immediately under the weekly voting thread? Similar to how their is a sub forum for boxing underneath the MMA forum.

 

[tabascojet]

best defense in the SEC but yeah they dont deserve to be ranked....

 

[uncfan103]

25. BYU

25. BYU

I don't understand BYU being ranked.

 

[Sox33OSU]

1. Alabama
2. Oregon
3. Clemson
4. Florida St
5. Ohio St
6. Stanford
7. Michigan
8. LSU
9. Texas A&M
10. Georgia
11. Oklahoma
12. Wisconsin
13. Oklahoma St
14. South Carolina
15. Nebraska
16. Arizona St.
17. Louisville
18. Florida
19. Notre Dame
20. Baylor
21. Northwestern
22. Ole Miss
23. Miami
24. Georgia Tech
25. BYU

Gotta ask - why Nebraska over NW? The Wildcats look far more impressive and they've done it against far better competition.

 

[4down20]

I don't understand BYU being ranked.

I think they are a top25 team.

 

[uncfan103]

I think they are a top25 team.

I thought you were using computer rankings, and I wouldn't have questioned you. But you're computer rankings had them 30th? if I'm remembering correctly.

BYU lost to Virginia. But Virginia isn't ranked. (Even if you say that it was at Virginia, why not rank Texas for losing to BYU on the road?)

 

[4down20]

I thought you were using computer rankings, and I wouldn't have questioned you. But you're computer rankings had them 30th? if I'm remembering correctly.

BYU lost to Virginia. But Virginia isn't ranked. (Even if you say that it was at Virginia, why not rank Texas for losing to BYU on the road?)

Well a 25th place team usually has 4 losses by the end of the year. Sometimes 5 losses on a harder schedule. And I think BYU will have 4 or less losses this year, and the ones they do lose are going to generally be to higher quality teams.

I never bought into the Texas hype really. I think I ranked them last week due to harassment from Texas fans who assured me the returned 19 starters and were for real, so I caved in a bit. But I was right all along. I actually had Texas as my "over-rated team" @ 15th in the over/under-rated thread.

 

[uncfan103]

Well a 25th place team usually has 4 losses by the end of the year. Sometimes 5 losses on a harder schedule. And I think BYU will have 4 or less losses this year, and the ones they do lose are going to generally be to higher quality teams.

I never bought into the Texas hype really. I think I ranked them last week due to harassment from Texas fans who assured me the returned 19 starters and were for real, so I caved in a bit. But I was right all along. I actually had Texas as my "over-rated team" @ 15th in the over/under-rated thread.

If were basing teams on predictions why not rank a team like Northern Illinois who should finish with 0-1 losses? This isn't even directed at you, just for thoughts from everyone. I feel like we have a 2 game sample size and to rank a team with a loss, and not the team who beat them is just odd.

Even if I think Washington state is a top 25 team, I'm not ranking them ahead of Auburn.

 

[4down20]

If were basing teams on predictions why not rank a team like Northern Illinois who should finish with 0-1 losses? This isn't even directed at you, just for thoughts from everyone. I feel like we have a 2 game sample size and to rank a team with a loss, and not the team who beat them is just odd.

Even if I think Washington state is a top 25 team, I'm not ranking them ahead of Auburn.

SoS is bad.

Currently I rank BYU SoS #22.
N.Illinois, #122 out of 125.

Big difference.

 

[uncfan103]

SoS is bad.

Currently I rank BYU SoS #22.
N.Illinois, #122 out of 125.

Big difference.

Okay, so it's based on your predictions for the season based on these two weeks?

 

[Edisto_Tiger]

So who is doing the Poll this week?

 

[4down20]

Okay, so it's based on your predictions for the season based on these two weeks?

As far as my SoS rankings, that is based on 2 weeks this year, and 6 weeks into last year(on average, it's different for each team until they all have 5 FBS games on this season).

Adjustments will be made to that as the year goes on and there is more data, no doubt about it. However considering the gap and visual look at the schedules, it's not going to change that much. And if it does change, I'd change my opinion with it.

 

[tabascojet]

so do we drop tcu now or wait for someone to actually tally the week 2 votes?

 

[nolehusker]

Week 2

1. Alabama 1-0
2. Oregon 2-0
3. Clemson 2-0
4. LSU 2-0
5. Ohio State 2-0
6. Florida State 1-0
7. Oklahoma State 2-0
8. Stanford 1-0
9. Oklahoma 2-0
10. Michigan 2-0
11. Texas A&M 2-0
12. Notre Dame 1-1
13. Wisconsin 2-0
14. Washington 2-0
15. Texas 1-1
16. South Carolina 1-1
17. Miami (FL) 2-0
18. Louisville 2-0
19. Georgia 1-1
20. Nebraska 2-0
21. Baylor 2-0
22. Florida 1-1
23. TCU 1-1
24. UCF 2-0
25. Northern Illinois 1-0


Previous week
1. Alabama
2. Oregon
3. Clemson
4. LSU
5. Ohio State
6. Florida State
7. Notre Dame
8. Oklahoma State
9. Stanford
10. Texas
11. South Carolina
12. Florida
13. Oklahoma
14. Michigan
15. A&M
16. Wisconsin
17. Washington
18. Louisville
19. Miami (FL)
20. Nebraska
21. USC
22. Baylor
23. Georgia
24. TCU
25. Northern Illinois

I have to call out MarkOU. Texas at 15? Seriously?!?!? The team that beat them isn't even in your top 25

 

[uncfan103]

As far as my SoS rankings, that is based on 2 weeks this year, and 6 weeks into last year(on average, it's different for each team until they all have 5 FBS games on this season).

Adjustments will be made to that as the year goes on and there is more data, no doubt about it. However considering the gap and visual look at the schedules, it's not going to change that much. And if it does change, I'd change my opinion with it.

Last question for you...
Two teams have the same record. Team A beat Team B and Team A has a better SoS ranking. Is there a reason team A is unranked and Team B is ranked?

 

[4down20]

Last question for you...
Two teams have the same record. Team A beat Team B and Team A has a better SoS ranking. Is there a reason team A is unranked and Team B is ranked?

In my rankings? There could be a few reasons.

1. Who you beat and lose to matters. A bad loss or great win can change the rankings regardless of the average/overall SoS. SoS is a big part of the rankings, but not in the form that is published which is a public stat. While that stat is the overall, when it comes to actually using it in the formula, it's all individual teams, how much they are worth and if you won or lost the game.

2. During the season, early wins against better opponents = more points. Future games that are being predicted count only 50% of the possible points, while completed games give full points. So take 2 teams on equal schedules and both win. 1 team played the #1 team, while the other team played the #100 team. The team that played the #1 team is going to rank higher. By the end of the year, that factor would even out.

3. Power ratings are part of the final rankings, but not the main factor. So equal schedules, equal results, but 1 team appears to be the better team, that team ranks higher.

 

[Edisto_Tiger]

bump for week 3