Todd Richards Death Watch

[forty_three]

Generally I would agree, except he took a very stupid penalty late in the 3rd period last night that led to the GWG.

Dubi has drawn the ire of fans over that, but it was the penalty by Boll that started that house of cards.

Dubi is prone to dumb ones now and again. But he doesn't always do it.

Davidson fired Payne in STL 12 games into the season. He doesn't care who did what (although Payne had missed the playoffs); if it isn't working he'll find someone who can make it work.

I think they just don't see this team competing for anything right now so might as well let them take their cuts then go into the summer with a gameplan. A higher draft pick is excellent trade bait and right now this team needs the consistent veteran they thought they were getting when they signed Horton.

Absolutely: they have enough young talent they need some solid vets. BUt a generational talent might be worth going for and then moving some other pieces for a solid vet. That's why JD makes the big bucks. Tough decision. That pick could get a LOT right now.

I look forward to Chicago's cap troubles. I would LOVE Patrick Sharp.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Dubi has drawn the ire of fans over that, but it was the penalty by Boll that started that house of cards.

Dubi is prone to dumb ones now and again. But he doesn't always do it.



Absolutely: they have enough young talent they need some solid vets. BUt a generational talent might be worth going for and then moving some other pieces for a solid vet. That's why JD makes the big bucks. Tough decision. That pick could get a LOT right now.

I look forward to Chicago's cap troubles. I would LOVE Patrick Sharp.

Don't think a generational player is in the cards for Columbus. They'll hang around the 9-12 spots because they just don't have any talent to jettison to tank except youngsters, who they obviously aren't moving. That's why I think it'll work out perfect for them in the long run.

Could be right about Sharp, but I could just as easily see the Hawks buying out Hossa instead.

 

[forty_three]

Don't think a generational player is in the cards for Columbus. They'll hang around the 9-12 spots because they just don't have any talent to jettison to tank except youngsters, who they obviously aren't moving. That's why I think it'll work out perfect for them in the long run.

Could be right about Sharp, but I could just as easily see the Hawks buying out Hossa instead.

I would love Hossa as well, but I have heard more rumo(u)rs about Sharp being odd man out there.

I also hear about Mike Richards drawing the short straw in LA, which would be great also. Provided he doesn't bring Carter back with him.

Another name I've heard mentioned is Eric Staal. But we don't need centers.

 

[forty_three]

Richards' response. Everyone on the Jackets had to pull one of these around the arena this morning. Even guys who didn't play.

Good idea / bad idea.

 

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Another name I've heard mentioned is Eric Staal. But we don't need centers.

Can you have too many centers?

 

[pixburgher66]

Richards' response. Everyone on the Jackets had to pull one of these around the arena this morning. Even guys who didn't play.

Good idea / bad idea.

I always wonder about these things with pro athletes. Like, in a HS or even college setting, guys respond to that. Pro? Sometimes guys get offended by it more than motivated.

 

[Marley]

Richards' response. Everyone on the Jackets had to pull one of these around the arena this morning. Even guys who didn't play.

Good idea / bad idea.

I can see how that might backfire at the pro level.

 

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I didn't know Todd Richards was a Stonecutters member...

 

[forty_three]

I always wonder about these things with pro athletes. Like, in a HS or even college setting, guys respond to that. Pro? Sometimes guys get offended by it more than motivated.

It can be an effective tool, but also very dangerous. There are a lot of ways it can go wrong. Like Foligno and Johansen. 2 pts each and the only two who got everything done as they should have. I imagine they'd both be pissed if they had to do it (you could publicly give them less weight - that might work). Also, even guys who didn't get into the lineup had to do it from what I understand. That really sucks. And if you use it too much, it can make players tune you out. Just like calling someone out in the media can make them tune you out.

It can be effective if you have a target player who fucked up and want the team to handle it for you. You know one or two guys who did not execute, the team knows who they are too. Everyone does this, and they corner that guy and tell him to knock off his shit. Depends on the character in the room. And like I said, it has to be used sparingly.


I've done it before. I've run 5 on 5 drills and if the guys playing D break it out the attackers do 10 pushups. If the attackers get a shot on goal, the D side does 10, 15 if they score (goalie too if they score). It's amazing how quick you see them start talking to each other about what went wrong.

 

[forty_three]

I didn't know Todd Richards was a Stonecutters member...

"Who makes Jared Boll a star? WE DO!"

It all makes sense now.

 

[pixburgher66]

It can be an effective tool, but also very dangerous. There are a lot of ways it can go wrong. Like Foligno and Johansen. 2 pts each and the only two who got everything done as they should have. I imagine they'd both be pissed if they had to do it (you could publicly give them less weight - that might work). Also, even guys who didn't get into the lineup had to do it from what I understand. That really sucks. And if you use it too much, it can make players tune you out. Just like calling someone out in the media can make them tune you out.

It can be effective if you have a target player who fucked up and want the team to handle it for you. You know one or two guys who did not execute, the team knows who they are too. Everyone does this, and they corner that guy and tell him to knock off his shit. Depends on the character in the room. And like I said, it has to be used sparingly.


I've done it before. I've run 5 on 5 drills and if the guys playing D break it out the attackers do 10 pushups. If the attackers get a shot on goal, the D side does 10, 15 if they score (goalie too if they score). It's amazing how quick you see them start talking to each other about what went wrong.

Oh definitely, the team punishment principle is age-old, used forever, and certainly needs to be used sparingly. As a former team athlete, I hated it, but understood it's purpose. No one wants to let down a teammate, or be the reason everyone is running. Still..at the pro level it's just tricky. It's a job, and it seems that makes many things different.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I would love Hossa as well, but I have heard more rumo(u)rs about Sharp being odd man out there.

I also hear about Mike Richards drawing the short straw in LA, which would be great also. Provided he doesn't bring Carter back with him.

Another name I've heard mentioned is Eric Staal. But we don't need centers.

I'd pass on both Staal and Richards. Sharp would be great, though.

I could really see CBJ and Toronto doing business - JVR would take over nicely for Horton.

 

[forty_three]

Oh definitely, the team punishment principle is age-old, used forever, and certainly needs to be used sparingly. As a former team athlete, I hated it, but understood it's purpose. No one wants to let down a teammate, or be the reason everyone is running. Still..at the pro level it's just tricky. It's a job, and it seems that makes many things different.

It is a job, but I think you still have guys who, at their core, want to compete and be their best.

Not everyone, of course, but I think it's not all that different to the team.

Although, when the players realize that they make more than the coach and the organization made a bigger financial commitment to them...

I'll just say I am glad I don't coach pros.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Oh definitely, the team punishment principle is age-old, used forever, and certainly needs to be used sparingly. As a former team athlete, I hated it, but understood it's purpose. No one wants to let down a teammate, or be the reason everyone is running. Still..at the pro level it's just tricky. It's a job, and it seems that makes many things different.

I think most players put enough pressure on theirselves and they don't need that added weight(literally and figuratively 43 lol) on them - players have been playing this game since they were a kid and they've worked extremely hard to get to this point - certain players are self motivated and when they make a mistake, they sure as hell don't need someone on their ass because they know what they did - others may need a love tap just to get them more focused onto the task at hand, but these players have enough on their plate

Can't always blame the coaches because realistically, they're coaching for their jobs too - but the coaches who have won and know what it takes don't need to go to outrageous lengths to prove points - once you win at the highest of levels, you don't really need those types of things to prove points, imo

That's why the teams who are most successful are teams where the players police theirselves(Kings, Blackhawks, etc etc) - teams like Columbus who are up and coming and haven't won anything significant tend to go to outrageous lengths to prove points(like the pic of the weights) because they haven't experienced winning at the highest of levels and coaches don't always know how to react to situations the right way or how to handle it - teams who have won at the highest level realize that it's a long season and that the players know what they've done wrong and when it's all set and done, they'll be fine because they've gone through the experiences and have succeeded at it