To run or not to run ...

[Sportster 72]

In 2012 a lot of people were unhappy about Griffin running. After he got hurt his father made a point of emphasis that he should be a pocket QB. It is my contention that Robert has to run enough to be a threat to the defense. I am not saying he needs to run as much as he did in first year but his running helps open up the pass game for him.

Let the debating begin.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

In 2012 a lot of people were unhappy about Griffin running. After he got hurt his father made a point of emphasis that he should be a pocket QB. It is my contention that Robert has to run enough to be a threat to the defense. I am not saying he needs to run as much as he did in first year but his running helps open up the pass game for him.

Let the debating begin.

I've mentioned before that I think designed runs should be eliminated from game planning. But scrambling and taking advantage of yards to be gained by an efficient use of slides and the sidelines...Hellz yes!

What an advantage to have a mobile QB that presents the threat of a scramble against Ds to keep em guessing. Mess with their heads...

 

[TDs3nOut]

Really hope that Griffin is fully recovered this year. He is a remarkable talent who is a lot of fun to watch play. His ability to evade the rush and pick up open yards with his feet is a great talent that he should exploit. Sure he needs to protect himself and be smart to about not taking hits needlessly, but it would be dumb to not take advantage of his extraordinary athleticism.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Really hope that Griffin is fully recovered this year. He is a remarkable talent who is a lot of fun to watch play. His ability to evade the rush and pick up open yards with his feet is a great talent that he should exploit. Sure he needs to protect himself and be smart to about not taking hits needlessly, but it would be dumb to not take advantage of his extraordinary athleticism.

 

[(Un)]

I've long criticized the Shanahans for not doing enough to develop RGIII as a passer. IMO they were too content to run an option offense, feed RGIII running plays, and run a college style passing game. The Shanahans only cared about "winning now" and not investing in the future.

I think Washington's best option is to coach RGIII into a pass first QB. They have the time; the kid is still only 24 years old. Save his athleticism for when plays break down. And maybe a few trick plays they only go to in the postseason.

If you coach RGIII like the Shanahan's did, all you'll ever have is a glorified version of Michael Vick. However, if you can coach an elite pocket passer onto RGIII's physical abilities, you could have a weapon unlike anything the NFL has ever seen.

 

[skinsdad62]

we need to stop not letting RG3 be RG3 . he wasnt hurt on a designed run he was hurt on a scramble

we gave up a ton of picks for him to be who he is so let him be who he is

why do people want to see only half of his game ?

now to answer the question we should take what the defense gives us . we have a very good wr corp so we should use it

run our offense and go from there

 

[Caliskinsfan]

we need to stop not letting RG3 be RG3 . he wasnt hurt on a designed run he was hurt on a scramble

we gave up a ton of picks for him to be who he is so let him be who he is

why do people want to see only half of his game ?

now to answer the question we should take what the defense gives us . we have a very good wr corp so we should use it

run our offense and go from there

While I don't disagree with most of your points, that scramble was straight up the field, basically right into Ngata, with no effort to slide til the very last minute. That's what needs to change in his game, making smart decisions WHEN he scrambles...

 

[skinsdad62]

While I don't disagree with most of your points, that scramble was straight up the field, basically right into Ngata, with no effort to slide til the very last minute. That's what needs to change in his game, making smart decisions WHEN he scrambles...

you said eliminate designed runs from the game plan . i say why ? he wasnt hurt on one . it seems in camp he has been sliding more

 

[TDs3nOut]

I've long criticized the Shanahans for not doing enough to develop RGIII as a passer. IMO they were too content to run an option offense, feed RGIII running plays, and run a college style passing game. The Shanahans only cared about "winning now" and not investing in the future.

I think Washington's best option is to coach RGIII into a pass first QB. They have the time; the kid is still only 24 years old. Save his athleticism for when plays break down. And maybe a few trick plays they only go to in the postseason.

If you coach RGIII like the Shanahan's did, all you'll ever have is a glorified version of Michael Vick. However, if you can coach an elite pocket passer onto RGIII's physical abilities, you could have a weapon unlike anything the NFL has ever seen.

I think that Griffin is ideal to run the WCO that Shanahan ran. Leaving Griffin on the field when he was basically crippled in the playoff loss his rookie year, however, was criminal.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I've long criticized the Shanahans for not doing enough to develop RGIII as a passer. IMO they were too content to run an option offense, feed RGIII running plays, and run a college style passing game. The Shanahans only cared about "winning now" and not investing in the future.

I think Washington's best option is to coach RGIII into a pass first QB. They have the time; the kid is still only 24 years old. Save his athleticism for when plays break down. And maybe a few trick plays they only go to in the postseason.

If you coach RGIII like the Shanahan's did, all you'll ever have is a glorified version of Michael Vick. However, if you can coach an elite pocket passer onto RGIII's physical abilities, you could have a weapon unlike anything the NFL has ever seen.

Some great points Un, but I believe that was ultimately the Shannys plan... I think fault lies in multiple areas (medical personnel, the personalities of all involved, the media, bright lights of the DC fans and the QB position spotlight) but not in the Shannys 2012 plan to play to Griffs strength as a Rookie QB. I was ok with it myself. The plan got derailed when the injury occured...and the dysfunction that followed.

Think Gruden, as a previous QB himself, has a completely different style and will focus on getting Griff to maximize his potential...at least that's what I hope. Now how long that takes to coalesce....that's the big question.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

you said eliminate designed runs from the game plan . i say why ? he wasnt hurt on one . it seems in camp he has been sliding more

Think we've got enough players on O that can do the work, that it's not necessary to play Russian roulette with a QB that has had 2 injuries to a knee. Why design a play that increases the risk of him getting hit? That's my take anyways.

 

[UnBiasedPerspective]

Think we've got enough players on O that can do the work, that it's not necessary to play Russian roulette with a QB that has had 2 injuries to a knee. Why design a play that increases the risk of him getting hit? That's my take anyways.

Just waving as I do a fly by. I see football happening!

 

[UnBiasedPerspective]

While I don't disagree with most of your points, that scramble was straight up the field, basically right into Ngata, with no effort to slide til the very last minute. That's what needs to change in his game, making smart decisions WHEN he scrambles...

BTW, I agree.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Just waving as I do a fly by. I see football happening!

Hey there And thank god it is almost upon us

 

[Sportster 72]

Lots of good points here. I agree with dad that Robert should be Robert and he should use all his gifts. I believe if he does that it will make him a better QB overall. I see no reason not to call a QB draw or let him run around end from time to time. He puts additional pressure on the D. Of course he needs to take what he can get and either get down or get out of bounds.

I still think the Shanahan's use of Griffin in 2012 was brilliant. The kid had no experience as a pro style QB. They gave him a chance to succeed in his first year. Unfortuneatly mistakes were made by many. Robert for not sliding and insisting on playing, Shanahan for not taking the bull by the horns and sitting him down after he was hurt. I think back to Theismann and how Gibbs rolled him out and how occasionally Joe would put the ball in the crook of his arm and take off. Griffin could be even more dynamic.

Cali, Mike Shanahan was a college QB too so having Gruden is not different in that vein. I think and hope the big difference between Shanahan and Gruden might be the ability to deal with today's athlete. At the same time I am glad to see Gruden tell Griffin he has to be less thin skinned and he doesn't need everyones approval to succeed.

 

[cowboycolors]

2 knee rebuilds is a solid reason IMO not to have your franchise QB running designed plays. Now don't get me wrong I am not bagging on RG3 he has tons of talent but he needs to develop his pocket passing skills. Purposely risking your franchise qb on a running play after 2 rebuilds is kinda crazy to me.


However getting his skill set developed further in the pocket passing dept to me is critical in Griffins development. I am not saying he is bad by any means but he does have room for improvement as does any Qb on any team in the NFL.


Kid is amazing at QB. It would be a shame to see his career shortened by Needless injury.


JMHO

 

[Caliskinsfan]

2 knee rebuilds is a solid reason IMO not to have your franchise QB running designed plays. Now don't get me wrong I am not bagging on RG3 he has tons of talent but he needs to develop his pocket passing skills. Purposely risking your franchise qb on a running play after 2 rebuilds is kinda crazy to me.


However getting his skill set developed further in the pocket passing dept to me is critical in Griffins development. I am not saying he is bad by any means but he does have room for improvement as does any Qb on any team in the NFL.


Kid is amazing at QB. It would be a shame to see his career shortened by Needless injury.


JMHO

Same take

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Lots of good points here. I agree with dad that Robert should be Robert and he should use all his gifts. I believe if he does that it will make him a better QB overall. I see no reason not to call a QB draw or let him run around end from time to time. He puts additional pressure on the D. Of course he needs to take what he can get and either get down or get out of bounds.

I still think the Shanahan's use of Griffin in 2012 was brilliant. The kid had no experience as a pro style QB. They gave him a chance to succeed in his first year. Unfortuneatly mistakes were made by many. Robert for not sliding and insisting on playing, Shanahan for not taking the bull by the horns and sitting him down after he was hurt. I think back to Theismann and how Gibbs rolled him out and how occasionally Joe would put the ball in the crook of his arm and take off. Griffin could be even more dynamic.

Cali, Mike Shanahan was a college QB too so having Gruden is not different in that vein. I think and hope the big difference between Shanahan and Gruden might be the ability to deal with today's athlete. At the same time I am glad to see Gruden tell Griffin he has to be less thin skinned and he doesn't need everyones approval to succeed.

Agree

My point was more in terms of the personality clash and the game as it's played TODAY. I'm aware Shanny was a QB a million years ago when the game was quite different. Too much controlling and ego in MS to work effectively with Griff in today's NFL. Ended up being a bad fit. As was obvious in how things played out.

 

[j_y19]

There are good points here. I tend to agree with Dad and Sportster. The strategic use of Griffen's legs only makes sense. However, it should not be a staple of the offense (as it was his rookie year) and he must take responsibility to avoid the big hit by sliding or using the sideline. IF RG3 can safely run 2 or 3 times a game (designed runs), it keeps the defense on edge and will open up huge holes for both the running game and the passing lanes. My bet is that Gruden will use him in just this capacity. His running ability will be used primarily to set up the rest of the offense.

 

[Sportster 72]

Agree

My point was more in terms of the personality clash and the game as it's played TODAY. I'm aware Shanny was a QB a million years ago when the game was quite different. Too much controlling and ego in MS to work effectively with Griff in today's NFL. Ended up being a bad fit. As was obvious in how things played out.

Man I know what you mean first hand. Having played football in the 70s and how the coaches word was gospel and then watching and being involved with my nephews now I see this first hand. It's an entirely different world in so many ways. These kids have had trainers outside of HS. They had three ex-NFLers on their HS coaching staff etc etc. as they moved on to play college football. The elite of the players get treated much differently than we did 40 years ago. Their expectations are much higher. It's not right or wrong just different and the modern coach needs to be able to deal with it. I agree that Shanahan did not deal with in that aspect.