Time to trade away assets for picks

[Retroram52]

Yep DJ. I posted on the FA thread the story by the LA Times on how that will be possible. It starts with us staying in the top five and we will end up with two number ones and two number twos through various trades.

 

[Retroram52]

Yep, the protected top 5 pick and the Rockets pick in the 1st round. Then, I believe it's our 2nd round pick and another 2nd round pick that we picked up in a trade.

You nailed it TJF12. Pretty sweet!

 

[psaboy]

Need Kobe to either; retire or redone contract to free up money. If he is serious about wanting to win one more, he should provide actions to back that up. That is if he can play again.

 

[Rambunctious]

Scott was a mistake?

It's a bit too early to say that with the young and crappy roster we have.

Scott, 53, has a career record of 416-521 in 13 seasons

 

[Rambunctious]

When the Lakers finally landed on Byron Scott after a months-long coaching search, it was a little predictable. Hiring a member of the Lakers family wouldn't ruffle any feathers among the fanbase. Scott also has coaching experience and can be viewed as someone who knows how to get the job done.

But without any extended success since two Finals appearances with the Nets more than a decade ago, he's disposable. Just like much of the current Lakers roster.

 

[Hangman]

We don't need to trade way assets for picks. We are going end up with four picks this year if we keep going on the present course.

You can get future first round picks too not just this year to think about. We wont have a pick in the first round next year unless its a top 3 pick. I hope that doesn't happen. So, a trade to get someone elses pick. hopefully a mid first rounder or better for a guy that might help a team reach the playoffs this year would be great to help rebuild. If by some chance the Lakers have a top 3 pick next year and another first round pick that will be 5 first round players in 3 years with 3 of them being really high in the draft order. That is a good way to build up support and role players, hopefully allstars and superstars, and then add a max free agent and you have a contender. Boston knows this and has been working on this play starting last year. They now have their starting PG of the future in Smart. Have some good role players in Sullenger and Olinik, and have a shit ton of draft picks in the next 3 years to really make a solid first and second unit. In 2 seasons they will be in the playoffs and after that competing for a championship again.

Lakers need to build through the draft because its cheaper and they control those players for long term. Plus if needed they will have chips to trade for a player if needed like they did with Gasol.

 

[Retroram52]

Yea I agree Hangman. But do you think we have assets that somebody is willing to give us a future number one over? I am not sure and I hope they don't trade Randle or Clarkson. If we end up with a top three pick and push the number one we owe Phoenix over to 2017, that'll be O.K. It'll suck watching next year but it'll only be year two of a three-year plan. We shall see though.

 

[trojanfan12]

Scott, 53, has a career record of 416-521 in 13 seasons

You understand the teams he's had to coach recently, right? He took the Nets to back to back finals appearances, he was coach of the year in New Orleans in 2008 (and had a winning record as a coach at that time) and then he took over the Cavs job the season Lebron left. Now he's taken over a Lakers team that even if fully healthy, would have been lucky to be .500 but has lost 4 players to season ending injuries.

If you're going to look at the record and hold that against him, you should look at the teams he's been given to coach as well. It's not as if he took over good teams and drove them into the ground.

 

[Retroram52]

I agree, TJF12. We should not even be discussing a replacement of Scott. He should be retained because we are at the level of many of the teams Scott took over and took to various levels of success. Who are we going to replace him with? Look, Scott is a Lakers man and the Buss family knows this. He has many ex-Lakers players support as well as the FO.

The present players like him for the most part. He knows how to teach young players the pro game and he is a staunch defender of mental toughness and defense. He knows what it takes to win a championship. He handles large egos like the Swag and Boozer very well. He is the perfect coach for this job for all the right reasons. It would be suicide to fire Scott now or even later. I am convinced that in about three to four years, we will be back in the hunt because of Scott. So all of you antsy for another coach, just be chillin'

 

[trojanfan12]

You can get future first round picks too not just this year to think about. We wont have a pick in the first round next year unless its a top 3 pick. I hope that doesn't happen. So, a trade to get someone elses pick. hopefully a mid first rounder or better for a guy that might help a team reach the playoffs this year would be great to help rebuild. If by some chance the Lakers have a top 3 pick next year and another first round pick that will be 5 first round players in 3 years with 3 of them being really high in the draft order. That is a good way to build up support and role players, hopefully allstars and superstars, and then add a max free agent and you have a contender. Boston knows this and has been working on this play starting last year. They now have their starting PG of the future in Smart. Have some good role players in Sullenger and Olinik, and have a shit ton of draft picks in the next 3 years to really make a solid first and second unit. In 2 seasons they will be in the playoffs and after that competing for a championship again.

Lakers need to build through the draft because its cheaper and they control those players for long term. Plus if needed they will have chips to trade for a player if needed like they did with Gasol.

I disagree with pretty much all of this. The only assets that the Lakers have that would be worth a first round pick at this point are, Randle, Clarkson and Hill. Those are all guys that the Lakers should be looking to keep for the future (with the possible exception of Hill depending on what direction the Lakers intend to go in FA).

The only other player the Lakers have the could possibly bring a first round pick is Boozer if a young, playoff contending team felt that they could use his experience. The problem with this is that a young, playoff contending team is likely to remain a playoff contender for awhile, so the pick may not end up being worth much as it's going to be a later round pick. For example, in this upcoming draft, there's a chance at getting a pretty good player if you're drafting in the first 5-10, but after that, it gets pretty dicey.

The Celtics are trying to re-build through the draft because they have to. Elite FA's aren't exactly beating down the Celtics door. It can be said that they aren't exactly beating down the Lakers door either, but this past FA was the first time the Lakers have had cap space to make any serious moves since Shaq. The next 2 FA classes will give us a clearer picture on that. Most "experts" seem to think the Lakers are still a "destination franchise" though.

Nothing wrong with trying to get more picks, especially if they can early to mid first round picks, the Lakers are potentially in position to use both the draft (possibility of having 4 picks in the upcoming draft) AND free agency to re-build, which is really the best way to do it.

 

[Hangman]

Lakers Rumors: Ishmael Smith Tweets About Joining Lakers

Trades are starting to happen soon.

 

[Retroram52]

I am not sure about either of those guards for Hill. We'd be better served to trade Hill to Oklahoma or somebody else for a number one pick.

 

[Hangman]

I am not sure about either of those guards for Hill. We'd be better served to trade Hill to Oklahoma or somebody else for a number one pick.

I think that is the plan. A deal similar to the one we gave Memphis for Pau. 2 firsts and 2 young players for a second and Pau.

Hill is playing very well this year. he can shoot from mid range consistently and he can score inside the paint if he commits himself. He rebounds well and has decent defense. Plus signed for only this season, but has a team option for next year I think. It would not shock me to see us get 2 first rounders and a pick + Perkins + a young guard for him.

 

[trojanfan12]

I agree, TJF12. We should not even be discussing a replacement of Scott. He should be retained because we are at the level of many of the teams Scott took over and took to various levels of success. Who are we going to replace him with? Look, Scott is a Lakers man and the Buss family knows this. He has many ex-Lakers players support as well as the FO.

The present players like him for the most part. He knows how to teach young players the pro game and he is a staunch defender of mental toughness and defense. He knows what it takes to win a championship. He handles large egos like the Swag and Boozer very well. He is the perfect coach for this job for all the right reasons. It would be suicide to fire Scott now or even later. I am convinced that in about three to four years, we will be back in the hunt because of Scott. So all of you antsy for another coach, just be chillin'

At the very least, he deserves to be the coach until he's had a couple of seasons with a contending roster. I think the Lakers should handle him similar to Del Harris.

Del Harris was took over a team that had gone 33-49. The Lakers improved in his first couple of seasons and made the playoffs. Then came the additions of Shaq and Kobe. Over the next 3 years or so, he couldn't get them past the 2nd round of the playoffs. It was evident that he had taken them as far as he could, so they fired him, brought in Phil and the rest is history.

Byron needs to remain the coach until the roster has been improved and he gets a few seasons to see if he is the guy to get them back to where they are used to being. If he is, great. If not, then move on and bring in the next guy. Personally, I think he's the right guy. But only time will tell.

 

[Rambunctious]

"He handles large egos like the Swag and Boozer"

My first question would be how can any player on this years Laker team have a large ego? Scott had most of his success with Indiana. They were already a contender when he took over. If he is such a good teacher of young players then why have they only won 13 games this season? 1-9 over the last 10 games. If Scott were not part of the "Laker Family" he would already be gone.

 

[Retroram52]

You don't think Clarkson's development had anything to do with Scott. And you are dead wrong about Boozer and Swaggy's egos. Both put up an initial stink to being benched and then rescinded after they decided it would be a better course. Scott is a good teacher of young players.

You could use that "if he is such a good teacher"routine all you want Rambunctions. Name one coach who took over a pro team have a winning season his first year barring Barry Switzer? It took Phil Jackson how many years to get a winning team after he inherited a pretty young and talented team from Del Harris?

 

[Rambunctious]

Retro...I've never witnessed a poorer performance by a Laker team in my life. 13 - 39? and I didn't say Swag and Booze didn't have large egos I just wondered how their egos could have gotten inflated when they are in last place. Go to the Lakers webpage and the first thing you see is Boozer and Scott smiling at each other on the sideline...What the hell do they have to smile about? Nope sorry; Scott will not be the coach to turn this team around and the sooner the Lakers FO figures that out the better.

 

[Rambunctious]

The Lakers interviewed Lionel Hollins, Alvin Gentry and George Karl, all of whom have recent track records of success coaching at the NBA level, and would have been legitimate long-term solutions. Scott, meanwhile, has a career won-loss record of 416-521, and has had just one truly successful season in his last 10 as a head coach, while flaming out somewhat miserably in his last position.

 

[Retroram52]

Well we shall see Rambunctious. The whole story is not completed unless you can see into the future.

 

[Rambunctious]

Well we shall see Rambunctious. The whole story is not completed unless you can see into the future.

true enough but George Karl would have this injury riddled team playing a lot better in my humble opinion.