Time to look in the mirror and make a resolution

[GoldRusher]

The Charleston Gazette | Dave Hickman: Late-season meltdowns are now the norm for West Virginia

 

[mad2mc]

I see that you are providing the gasoline and now looking for a spark. Coming from Hickman, I would expect nothing less. Almost like reading the bullshit The one posts.

 

[WVUDAD]

I guess the quartet is pleased with how the last three seasons have progressed? True fans always want late season losses to quality teams like Kansas, IAST, TT, 'Cuse, TAM, etc.........

 

[Slaton10]

I guess the quartet is pleased with how the last three seasons have progressed? True fans always want late season losses to quality teams like Kansas, IAST, TT, 'Cuse, TAM, etc.........

I am on record saying this right now for you DAD...

This team took a 3 game forward leap this year...I expect them to at least win 2 or 3 more games next year..if not..I would say to put Dana on the clock..

 

[WVUDAD]

Slaton, what is infuriating to me is watching us beat OSU last year, beat Baylor this year, play straight up with Bama, TCU, OU, KSU, but listen to fans make old tired lame excuses about losses to KU, IAST, TT, etc. When you play toe to toe with top teams, but lose to teams that should be wins, the issue ain't depth or talent, it is motivation.

 

[Anotherwvufan]

Slaton, what is infuriating to me is watching us beat OSU last year, beat Baylor this year, play straight up with Bama, TCU, OU, KSU, but listen to fans make old tired lame excuses about losses to KU, IAST, TT, etc. When you play toe to toe with top teams, but lose to teams that should be wins, the issue ain't depth or talent, it is motivation.

When I have watched us play Bama, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Texas and many others, it just looks like our lines are not big or strong enough to hang. Coaching can't make the kids bigger or faster. We have to beat teams that have more talent and size than we do. You may note that Kansas has more 4 star kids on their roster than we do.

The question is whether HCDH is winning those big games by better game planning and scheming or if we are losing our games because we just can't keep it going in the trenches. We may have hung with Bama, but they put up 56 on TAMU and shut them out. Really, who are we? are we the team that overachieves for a game or two each year, or a team that underachieves 4 or 5 games each year?

Dana has put himself back on the hot seat. Next year will be very big in determining his future. Season tickets will most likely go down and attendance will be down unless we win most of our games. Given a new QB and WRs, Dana will have his work cut out for him. Losing Luck as AD will also have an impact. HCDH is no longer the ADs choice and the next in line will have nothing to lose by cutting the cord.

 

[WVUDAD]

When I have watched us play Bama, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Texas and many others, it just looks like our lines are not big or strong enough to hang. Coaching can't make the kids bigger or faster. We have to beat teams that have more talent and size than we do. You may note that Kansas has more 4 star kids on their roster than we do.

The question is whether HCDH is winning those big games by better game planning and scheming or if we are losing our games because we just can't keep it going in the trenches. We may have hung with Bama, but they put up 56 on TAMU and shut them out. Really, who are we? are we the team that overachieves for a game or two each year, or a team that underachieves 4 or 5 games each year?

Dana has put himself back on the hot seat. Next year will be very big in determining his future. Season tickets will most likely go down and attendance will be down unless we win most of our games. Given a new QB and WRs, Dana will have his work cut out for him. Losing Luck as AD will also have an impact. HCDH is no longer the ADs choice and the next in line will have nothing to lose by cutting the cord.

I think we are underachievers and have been for a pretty good while, we have been losing multiple games each year we should have won. When Nehlen was here, we would lose a couple each year that made you scratch your head, when Fraud was here, we had great teams that seemed to beat the best of the best, then lose a game or two to a lesser team, continued under Stewart, lose to Colorado, but beat Auburn.... and it continues today, WVU had talent enough on the field this year to beat every team on the schedule, and was only out of the one game against Texas. The biggest difference I see from the glory years of 2005-2007 and today is conditioning and motivation. No amount of talk will get me to accept that losing to IAST is OK, especially from a team that beat a top ten OSU team..........

 

[mad2mc]

How in the hell can motivation and conditioning be a factor when you just stated that from Nehlen's era to today that WVU seems to overachieve against better teams and plays down to lesser teams?

By the way, you forgot to add Kansas to your standard response unless you are changing your mind. You seem to be on the fence lately. What happen to your Bradley analysis?

 

[Slaton10]

Slaton, what is infuriating to me is watching us beat OSU last year, beat Baylor this year, play straight up with Bama, TCU, OU, KSU, but listen to fans make old tired lame excuses about losses to KU, IAST, TT, etc. When you play toe to toe with top teams, but lose to teams that should be wins, the issue ain't depth or talent, it is motivation.

I don't put any stock in the Okie State game...they came in and laid an egg...it had nothing to do with Wv being a better team..

I can see by a fan's perspective and even the comments Hickman makes having some relevance..I believe in trends and there is one developing with the late season slides....my opinion is and I make this with the same observation watching the Philadelphia Eagles...that you need a lot depth on both sides of the ball if you intend on trying to click off 90 snaps a game...your team is going to drag ass down the stretch if you don't have the players..

Wv has depth now but in my mind it's not quality depth..I think next year they will have that quality depth with the players that they red shirted ( something they have not been able to do the past 4 years) and the class coming in if they get them all over the goal line and they will begin to look like an Oregon...so that's why I agree that the pieces are in place to take another step forward...if they go in reverse or slide at the end of the year...then Dana should be put on the clock..

 

[bbwvfan]

I have a problem with this whole slide thing.

In 2012, WVU ended the season by beating its last two opponents. Of course, it lost 5 in a row in the middle of the season... 2 of which were by a combined 2 pts. They lost the Pinstripe to the BE co-champs... a very good SU team. Winning 2 of their last 3 games is not a season ending slide.

In 2013, they cannot have a slide... they were never up. They never won back to back games. They had no QB... they had no leadership... they played a ton of first time players and true freshmen. They simply were not very good.

I find it funny to see this year's results referred to as a slide. Outside of Texas, they lost to highly ranked teams during this so-called slide. It wasn't like WVU was some world beater to start the season and the results against these highly ranked teams came as a huge... disappointing... surprise.

Other than the fact WVU has lost a bunch of games over the last 3 years, there is little similarity in how these seasons finished.

 

[WVUDAD]

I have a problem with this whole slide thing.

In 2012, WVU ended the season by beating its last two opponents. Of course, it lost 5 in a row in the middle of the season... 2 of which were by a combined 2 pts. They lost the Pinstripe to the BE co-champs... a very good SU team. Winning 2 of their last 3 games is not a season ending slide.

In 2013, they cannot have a slide... they were never up. They never won back to back games. They had no QB... they had no leadership... they played a ton of first time players and true freshmen. They simply were not very good.

I find it funny to see this year's results referred to as a slide. Outside of Texas, they lost to highly ranked teams during this so-called slide. It wasn't like WVU was some world beater to start the season and the results against these highly ranked teams came as a huge... disappointing... surprise.

Other than the fact WVU has lost a bunch of games over the last 3 years, there is little similarity in how these seasons finished.

The quality of play is not just reflected on the scoreboard, you want to say that this year the end of the year was OK to lose because of the quality of teams we played. YET want to show KU and IAST in 2012 as proof of no slide..............WEAK WVU's football team has faded toward the end of the season each of the last three years, it is fact. I think what is happening is that other teams teach and adapt as the season goes forward, and we do not.

 

[bbwvfan]

Yeah... I really cannot buy the slide in 2012. WVU scored 49 points and had over 700 yards of offense against OU. No will ever be able to convince me that indicates a downward slide in performance.

 

[WVUDAD]

Yeah... I really cannot buy the slide in 2012. WVU scored 49 points and had over 700 yards of offense against OU. No will ever be able to convince me that indicates a downward slide in performance.

But then again, per you, giving up a 31-7 lead to IAST to lose 52-44 is no evidence of a slide either..............No one will ever be able to convince you that Holgorsen is not Bear or Woody until he is gone, then you will turn on him like a coyote on a dog.

 

[bbwvfan]

But then again, per you, giving up a 31-7 lead to IAST to lose 52-44 is no evidence of a slide either..............No one will ever be able to convince you that Holgorsen is not Bear or Woody until he is gone, then you will turn on him like a coyote on a dog.

Well... you are right about one thing. I don't feel the loss to ISU last year was reprentative of a slide. The defense sucked in the 2nd half of last year. Wasn't like they preformed worse against them as they did against other team after injuries riddled them mid way into the season.

I don't think Dana is a great coach.

And, I won't turn on him after he leaves. I haven't turned on Bill Stewart, nor have I turned on Rich nor Don. Every coach has their flaws which I do discuss when these coaches are brought up in discussion.

 

[Anotherwvufan]

I can call it a slide. Each year Dana comes out with new schemes, plays and offensive strategies, but he has never had a dominant online or DLine. As the season goes on, he becomes more predictable and does not evolve the offense. I see close games with Alabama and Oklahoma as us overachieving and HCDH actually out coaching a better equipt opponent. When you look up front, we get no push and need to stack the box to stop the run. We need to develop the lines to be on par in this league.

When you look at the Baylor win, it was easy to explain. Baylors top lineman went down the week before. Another one went down during the game. For one, and only one, game this year Shaquille Riddick was unstoppable. We got the lead and Petty had no time.

Offensively, we need the line to run consistently. On defense, we need that one great pass rusher that can cause havoc and demand a double team. We are one great pass rusher and two great lineman from being able to beat other teams in our league with any cosistancy. A QB who can complete wide open passes could help also.

 

[bbwvfan]

You can call it a slide, yet provide reasons to explain the struggles for this team to compete.

Again… how can it be a slide if the team hasn't shown proof of being unstoppable to begin with?

 

[GoldRusher]

WVU's next AD faces tough call on Holgorsen - The Exponent Telegram : WVU

I think this guy is reading my posts.

 

[bbwvfan]

You know… I am really surprised to see either Hickman or Hertzel write a negative article about the current state of the WVU football program.

 

[bbwvfan]

I've actually reached a point where I would love to see Dana get fired.

If his successor turns WVU into a perennial Big 12 champion and has WVU competing for national championships and top 10 rankings every year… I will have no complaints with that.

It is time for WVU to return to the glory years from '05-'07. There is no excuse for WVU not getting top 5 recruiting classes each year. There is no excuse for WVU having a disadvantage at any position on the field anymore.

I am all in…

These articles make too much sense… WVU deserves better…

 

[mad2mc]

Is that the same time period that this program competed in the BE and was coached by a native son who turned this program around and had WVU in the driver's seat for a run at a NC but stumbled to a non-ranked, sub .500 program and then bolted to another school due to their tradition instead of building his own here but was fired at said prestigious university only to land elsewhere and seems to have turned their program but lost yesterday? Gotcha. Maybe by being out in Arizona, Hendricks will open up his purse strings again and bring back said native son. Then everybody will be happy.

Interesting how Hertzell throws out some items but fails to paint the complete picture because it is above his pay scale. I guess I understand. Hell, bring back Doc. Interview Rex Ryan and bring in his brother. Throw Saban money at Gruden. Is Tressel available? I want the whole house cleaned out and expect a NC within 5 years.