This is funny about KC

[Sportster 72]

i hear kirk had issues of fireing up his team in games and at times totally ignore his team and he had a goof ball personality

Soap opera material.

 

[Rowdy]

OK. I decided to go back and analyze the play by play and see if it jogged memories of this game against GB. It did.

Series 1...we went three and out. KC 1-2 and 3 yards. Tied 0-0

Series 2...After a safety, we take a 10 play drive, with first and goal from the 1, and get a FG. KC was 4-5 for 45 yards. We are up 5-0.

Series 3...we go three and out. KC is sacked on first down for a 12yard loss. KC was 0-1. Still up 5-0

Series 4...7 play TD drive. KC was 4-5 for 61 yards. We are up 11-0 after drinking the XP.

Series 5...6 play drive ending in a KC sack/fumble. KC was 2-3 for 14 yards. This led to a GB FG and we are up 11-10.

Series 6...3 and out. KC was 1-2 for 5 yards.

Green Bay ends the first half with a TD and goes up 17- 11. KC was 12-18 for 128 yards. He did have a fumble lost.


Series 7...second half opens with a 9 play TD drive. KC was 5-6 for 54 yards and ended the drive with a three yard TD score to put us up 18-17.

Series 8...after an 11 play TD drive by GB...we go three and out. KC was 0-2. We are down 24-18.

Series 9...after a 10 play GB TD drive...we have a seven play drive. KC was 2-4 for 29 yards. He missed his second two throws of the drive after another sack on first put us well behind the chains. We are down 32-18.

Series 10...6 play drive that ended in a sack. KC was 2-5 for 14 yards.

Series 11...7 plays. KC was 5-6 for 76 yards. Series ended on a fourth down sack at GB 4 yard line.

Series 12...6 plays. KC was 3-5 for 28 yards. Game over.


I remember this game much better now. Our OL gave up six sacks and KC was under constant pressure. Overall I remember him playing fairly well. I also remember our defense starting well and ending up a total sieve. GB had 17 rushing yards in the first half and ended the game with 141 rushing.

Yes, what I remember about this game is our defense started out on fire, but the second half 12 men on the field penalties and Rodgers as he does to a lot of teams, wore the defense down with not allowing them to substitute resulting in the long drives. GB defense got stronger as the game went

 

[gkekoa]

Yes, what I remember about this game is our defense started out on fire, but the second half 12 men on the field penalties and Rodgers as he does to a lot of teams, wore the defense down with not allowing them to substitute resulting in the long drives. GB defense got stronger as the game went

Rodgers was mediocre this game. They run game was dominant in the second half, 124 yards. They had an 11play drive and followed it with a ten play drive.

 

[Rowdy]

Agreed. He still wouldn’t let our defense substitute though

 

[deanpet21]

the three people most desperately hoping Cousins fails where ever he lands,

Dan, Bruce and Dean.... you can decide what order they go in.

I can care less what he does. I'm just happy we don't have to give him a huge contract and we have now have a QB that can do just as good or even better than him. You simply don't get that

 

[Sportster 72]

OK. I decided to go back and analyze the play by play and see if it jogged memories of this game against GB. It did.

Series 1...we went three and out. KC 1-2 and 3 yards. Tied 0-0

Series 2...After a safety, we take a 10 play drive, with first and goal from the 1, and get a FG. KC was 4-5 for 45 yards. We are up 5-0.

Series 3...we go three and out. KC is sacked on first down for a 12yard loss. KC was 0-1. Still up 5-0

Series 4...7 play TD drive. KC was 4-5 for 61 yards. We are up 11-0 after drinking the XP.

Series 5...6 play drive ending in a KC sack/fumble. KC was 2-3 for 14 yards. This led to a GB FG and we are up 11-10.

Series 6...3 and out. KC was 1-2 for 5 yards.

Green Bay ends the first half with a TD and goes up 17- 11. KC was 12-18 for 128 yards. He did have a fumble lost.


Series 7...second half opens with a 9 play TD drive. KC was 5-6 for 54 yards and ended the drive with a three yard TD score to put us up 18-17.

Series 8...after an 11 play TD drive by GB...we go three and out. KC was 0-2. We are down 24-18.

Series 9...after a 10 play GB TD drive...we have a seven play drive. KC was 2-4 for 29 yards. He missed his second two throws of the drive after another sack on first put us well behind the chains. We are down 32-18.

Series 10...6 play drive that ended in a sack. KC was 2-5 for 14 yards.

Series 11...7 plays. KC was 5-6 for 76 yards. Series ended on a fourth down sack at GB 4 yard line.

Series 12...6 plays. KC was 3-5 for 28 yards. Game over.


I remember this game much better now. Our OL gave up six sacks and KC was under constant pressure. Overall I remember him playing fairly well. I also remember our defense starting well and ending up a total sieve. GB had 17 rushing yards in the first half and ended the game with 141 rushing.

gk you went the extra mile. I knew the yardage was similar in the game so I just went with we probably gave up a TD after Cousin's sack/fumble.

The play that really came back to me and I don't think it cost us the game was the pass to DJ that he thought he could get in and got out hustled by a GB player. I remember being pissed when he did that.

I also remember Barry trying to use a player substitution scheme based on down and distance but GB went to the hurry up and steamrolled us the rest of the way. I think at first it was a lot of passing but then as you mentioned they just ran all over our D in the 2nd half. We had no answer and it was vintage McCarthy/Rodgers.

 

[Sportster 72]

Rodgers was mediocre this game. They run game was dominant in the second half, 124 yards. They had an 11play drive and followed it with a ten play drive.

Rodgers wasn't dominant in passing yards but he was very good in the game. He had 90+ QB rating and threw for two TDs.

 

[Skins2021]

i hear kirk had issues of fireing up his team in games and at times totally ignore his team and he had a goof ball personality

can you provide any proof of this? Articles, tweets, anything?

Kirk is a pretty fiery guy. Way more fiery then say Russel Wilson

 

[Sharkinva]

Hmmm.... so some one who could care less about Cousins at this point, is the main guy posting news of all things Cousins... well as long as its a negative spin.

OK sounds perfectly logical.

 

[gkekoa]

Rodgers wasn't dominant in passing yards but he was very good in the game. He had 90+ QB rating and threw for two TDs.

He had just over 200 yards, only 2 TDs, and lower than normal completion percentage for him. That is mediocre for Rodgers. When Rodgers only does that, you expect to win.

 

[ehb5]

So here is what is funny to me. You made the statement. That is fine. I couldn't remember off the top of my head so I went back to check the stats because you could have been right. But the stats suggest the opposite. So I went back and watched highlights. Remember DJ catching a ball inside the 5 and hitting his foot with pylon but the way he was holding the ball was behind him and they ruled it out at the 1 or 2 instead of a TD and they settle for a TD? Cousin's fault? Don't think so.

Now lets look at the bad, 6 sacks 3 and that is a lot fumbles by Cousin's with one recovered by Green Bay. Not good on his part. Not the sacks so much because that is line play but he is somewhat responsible but one issue I had with Cousin's was fumbling on sacks. He did that way too often. So lets say that led to one short field and 7 points for Green Bay. Green bay scored 35 had he not fumbled maybe they only get 28.

So lets go back and remember the game again. Redskins were up 12-0. Should have been 16-0 but DJ gave away 4 points on what should have been Cousin's 2nd TD pass. BTW Cousin's also had a rushing TD. Back to the game .... Redskins defense started well. Then Aaron Rodgers became Aaron Rodgers. They went to a hurry up. No answer from Joe Barry and his defense. The defense could never really stop them again.

If you take away 7 points from Green Bay and give the Redskins 4 points you still lose 28-22.

Lets get back to you saying Cousin's sucked in that game. About the time I looked up and posted his stats (my bad I missed the fumble but I also missed the rushing TD) you posted something to the effect "well I am not sure I don't really remember." But because I clarified you want to challenge the stats I posted. Here they are again.

63% completion, 329 yards, 1 TD pass, 1 Rushing TD, 1 TO (fumble) 91.7% QB rating (would have been higher if DJ does what he should have done on that one play.)

Do you think they tell the story? No not entirely. You still have a defense that gave up 35 points.

I think you have a problem with saying "oh yeah, I might have had that on wrong."

Kind of like your Josh Allen debate, you were waving around Josh Allen's completion percentage or lack of accuracy but when it was pointed out to you by others that your boy Lamar had close to the same completion percentage then you used the ehb factor of well Lamar's stats don't tell the entire story.

I really feel like many here did not appreciate what they had in Cousin's including the front office. There are plenty of stats (I know, sometimes you like them and sometimes you don't) that suggest he was a top QB in the league. Yes he had a couple of warts but who the fuck has won here under Snyder .... not even Joe Gibbs although he came as close as anyone.

Doesn't matter now and I think most of us knew that was going to be the case. Time to move on and lucky for you they traded for one of your all time favorite QBs. Maybe Jay Gruden can turn him into a top 5 QB .... oh wait, Andy did that last year.

It should make for an interesting season for all of us.

Ok where to start. That's an impressive wall of text there with a lot of "gotchas" thrown in without having ever provided anything to show I'm wrong.

For starters I'm well aware of the DJax play. DJax was dumb. You don't think it's possible to be critical of more than one player in a game?

The sacks. There's good evidence to support the idea that sacks over the course of a season are the qbs fault not the olines. I'm not sure how that idea holds up in individual games and that's not something Kirk struggles with at all so I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. My point after all had nothing to do with sacks and I didn't mention them.

Then you've got a whole bunch of sentences about how the game went and Joe Barry and Aaron Rodgers and all that to which I say... so? What does that have to do with this? Nobody's blaming him for the loss (or at least I'm not).

Fwiw I said he was prety bad not that he sucked. Maybe that distinction is insignificant to you but worth noting. I personally think there's a difference.

I said "tough to remember off the top of my head" before you ever posted any stats. You're implication that that was some kind of backtracking doesn't make any sense.

Ok so we're now back at the stats where we starred and so far have learned nothing.

The defense is irrelevant.

Why do I have a problem saying, "oh yea I might have had that wrong"? Ive admitted to being wrong plenty of times. But you haven't produced any argument to prove I'm wrong. If you can do that I'll happily admit I'm wrong.

Now we're onto the Josh Allen debate apparently. I'm not sure what you're talking about though. I'm well aware of both their completion %s. They didn't need to be pointed out to me and furthermore I've been critical of Jackson's accuracy as his biggest flaw. That doesn't change the fact that he was more accurate than Allen in college. That's true whether you like it or not.

I agree cousins was underappreciated here. I think the pro cousins people probably overrate him but the anti cousins people definitely sold him short.

I hope you're joking about smith. You know I can't stand him right?

 

[Sportster 72]

Ok where to start. That's an impressive wall of text there with a lot of "gotchas" thrown in without having ever provided anything to show I'm wrong.

For starters I'm well aware of the DJax play. DJax was dumb. You don't think it's possible to be critical of more than one player in a game?

The sacks. There's good evidence to support the idea that sacks over the course of a season are the qbs fault not the olines. I'm not sure how that idea holds up in individual games and that's not something Kirk struggles with at all so I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. My point after all had nothing to do with sacks and I didn't mention them.

Then you've got a whole bunch of sentences about how the game went and Joe Barry and Aaron Rodgers and all that to which I say... so? What does that have to do with this? Nobody's blaming him for the loss (or at least I'm not).

Fwiw I said he was prety bad not that he sucked. Maybe that distinction is insignificant to you but worth noting. I personally think there's a difference.

I said "tough to remember off the top of my head" before you ever posted any stats. You're implication that that was some kind of backtracking doesn't make any sense.

Ok so we're now back at the stats where we starred and so far have learned nothing.

The defense is irrelevant.

Why do I have a problem saying, "oh yea I might have had that wrong"? Ive admitted to being wrong plenty of times. But you haven't produced any argument to prove I'm wrong. If you can do that I'll happily admit I'm wrong.

Now we're onto the Josh Allen debate apparently. I'm not sure what you're talking about though. I'm well aware of both their completion %s. They didn't need to be pointed out to me and furthermore I've been critical of Jackson's accuracy as his biggest flaw. That doesn't change the fact that he was more accurate than Allen in college. That's true whether you like it or not.

I agree cousins was underappreciated here. I think the pro cousins people probably overrate him but the anti cousins people definitely sold him short.

I hope you're joking about smith. You know I can't stand him right?

The stats stand for themselves. The rest of the crap was to show IMO I was being fair and balanced. You were the one that questioned whether good stats were good stats. Got me on that one. He did not have a great gane and he did not have a bad game. He had an above average game. This was your statement that got me started "Honestly cousins was pretty bad in that playoff game." Clearly he wasn't pretty bad. A smart guy would have said "oops my bad" .... nothing because I was just proven wrong. You were wrong, he was not "pretty bad." Now if you want to go to one of the Giant games I am with you.

Yes I know you can't stand Smith. That was why I said it .... just stirring the pot.

 

[Sportster 72]

He had just over 200 yards, only 2 TDs, and lower than normal completion percentage for him. That is mediocre for Rodgers. When Rodgers only does that, you expect to win.

I am not going back to look again. I believe he threw the ball 21 times. If so those are very good stats.

 

[gkekoa]

I am not going back to look again. I believe he threw the ball 21 times. If so those are very good stats.

21/36, 210, 2TDs. He completed 21passes.

 

[Sportster 72]

LOL, well that ain't so damned good then. I knew there was a 21 in there. I stand corrected.

 

[Sharkinva]

60% of 36 is 21.6

Math factoid of the day.

 

[Sportster 72]

60% of 36 is 21.6

Math factoid of the day.

True shark. He had a 93 QB rating so it was like Rodgers sucked. He didn't put up the expected 300-400 that many fans expect so they assume he didn't play well. In the end they did what they needed to do to win. Again many fans (not speaking of gk here) put the win or loss on the QB when football is a team sport and ONE guy does not win or lose the game.

 

[ehb5]

The stats stand for themselves. The rest of the crap was to show IMO I was being fair and balanced. You were the one that questioned whether good stats were good stats. Got me on that one. He did not have a great gane and he did not have a bad game. He had an above average game. This was your statement that got me started "Honestly cousins was pretty bad in that playoff game." Clearly he wasn't pretty bad. A smart guy would have said "oops my bad" .... nothing because I was just proven wrong. You were wrong, he was not "pretty bad." Now if you want to go to one of the Giant games I am with you.

Yes I know you can't stand Smith. That was why I said it .... just stirring the pot.

I mean...those stats dont prove he didnt have a bad game...

So... why would I admit to being wrong when I havent been proven wrong??