This is funny about KC

[deanpet21]

Chris Russo: Kirk Cousins is not a top 10 QB in the league

 

[gkekoa]

It is an idiotic argument. To paraphrase, he had a chance to get the Skins to the playoffs in 2016 and failed. They lost to Carolina with KC as the leading rusher with 11 yards and throwing for 315 yards. They lost to the NYG with 38 yards rushing.

He never mentions the 4game win streak to get into the playoffs in 2015. He does say Rodgers outplays KC in the playoffs but I question the validity of the statement. The stats don’t back up the claim.

 

[Breed]

I didn't and probably won't read it, but I'm curious. Why do you find it funny, dean?

I'll just roll with G's opinion its silly, but will say this about the Skins/Pack playoff game. Stat-wise Kirk did out-do Rodgers, but Rodgers played better when it counted most. Still........Djax not scoring that TD when it was there and the Skins preceding failure to score a TD with 1st n goal from 1 yd ln really hurt the Skins. Hurt enough that it cost the Skins the game? I dunno about that, but anyway you chop it up. The Skins not scoring 6 points right there was pretty big I think.

Reminds me in fact about the Skins/Hawks playoff game where we failed to score a TD after recovering our own KO at the Hawks 13 yd ln. Chris Cooley, who imo is the best TE the Skins have had since Jerry Smith, dropping that Todd Collins pass which would've given the Skins a 1st n goal from the 1 yd ln if not a TD really hurt in that game. That's where we lost that game imo even tho we did get a FG there.

 

[Sharkinva]

the three people most desperately hoping Cousins fails where ever he lands,

Dan, Bruce and Dean.... you can decide what order they go in.

 

[ehb5]

It is an idiotic argument. To paraphrase, he had a chance to get the Skins to the playoffs in 2016 and failed. They lost to Carolina with KC as the leading rusher with 11 yards and throwing for 315 yards. They lost to the NYG with 38 yards rushing.

He never mentions the 4game win streak to get into the playoffs in 2015. He does say Rodgers outplays KC in the playoffs but I question the validity of the statement. The stats don’t back up the claim.

Honestly cousins was pretty bad in that playoff game. Granted I don't think that justifies anything dean's arguing but just worth noting.

 

[gkekoa]

Honestly cousins was pretty bad in that playoff game. Granted I don't think that justifies anything dean's arguing but just worth noting.

I don’t totally remember the game. If I remember it correctly, we started off well and then played conservatively. I think the OL was pretty bad too. It has been a while.

 

[ehb5]

I don’t totally remember the game. If I remember it correctly, we started off well and then played conservatively. I think the OL was pretty bad too. It has been a while.

Yea tough to remember off the top of my head but I believe he had a lot of yards but got away with several bad should've been picks and missed a few should've been TD throws.

That said... judging him based on that one game alone is ridiculous so i don't hold it against him too much.

 

[Sportster 72]

63% completion, 329 yards, 1 TD and 91.7 rating sucked?

 

[Sharkinva]

Yea tough to remember off the top of my head but I believe he had a lot of yards but got away with several bad should've been picks and missed a few should've been TD throws.

That said... judging him based on that one game alone is ridiculous so i don't hold it against him too much.

Cousins is gone.

I for one ordered my new Alex Smith evaluation kit in preparation for the 2018 season.

As is the Redskins way established over the last few years... we shall dissect his every move.

 

[Sharkinva]

63% completion, 329 yards, 1 TD and 91.7 rating sucked?

 

[Ojb81]

I love how "unnecessary" is misspelled in the meme

 

[Sharkinva]

I love how "unnecessary" is misspelled in the meme

Meme Generator does NOT have a spell check. LOL

 

[ehb5]

63% completion, 329 yards, 1 TD and 91.7 rating sucked?

So you don't think there's any context in which those numbers could've come in a game where the QB was bad?

 

[Breed]

As I said, I didn't read the article. I just took my cues from G's post and according to that. It says Rodgers outplayed Cousins not that Cousins sucked. He didn't suck. The game was 17-11 Pack at halftime and I believe on our 1st possession in the 3rd quarter. Kirk led a drive and scored a TD on a short run and we took an 18-17 lead. Up to this point the only complaint I had with the offense was only coming away with 3 instead of 6 on Djax's bonehead play/the Skins failing to score from the 1 yd ln with a 1st n goal. The defense was also a concern as the Pack rolled to 17 pt in the 2nd qt alone I believe. And it was at this point in the game with the scoore 18-17 Skins that the wheels fell off.

The Pack's defense seemed to I dunno, wake up, and the Skins would not score another point the rest of the game. Meanwhile Rodgers led the Pack to a couple more TDs and a FG. It was during this time where I believe Rodgers did what was needed and Kirk did not. That's not to say the loss was on Kirk. It wasn't, it was a team loss. The Pack's rush was pretty good that game or our OL played below par, or maybe it was a little of both, however you wanna look at it.

I think the only players who really stood out at times for the Skins in that game were Kirk and Jordan Reed. We weren't ready though and truth be told. While I was hoping for it. It was probably a lot to hope for that the Skins first victory that year against a winning team would come in the playoffs. We hung with em, even gave all they could handle for a little over a half, biut in the end. The better team won out.

That said............I still don't see what's funny about it. Kirk certainly didn't embarrass himself

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

i hear kirk had issues of fireing up his team in games and at times totally ignore his team and he had a goof ball personality

 

[gkekoa]

i hear kirk had issues of fireing up his team in games and at times totally ignore his team and he had a goof ball personality

It isn’t the QBs responsibility to fire up his team. Being fired up is idiotic in the first place.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Just saying what I hear with FA coming I'm sure there is alot of bullshit and jockeying going on at the end of the day Kirk will get fucked because teams will say let's just draft a qb Kirk will end up on a team like buffalo ,cards ,jets

 

[gkekoa]

OK. I decided to go back and analyze the play by play and see if it jogged memories of this game against GB. It did.

Series 1...we went three and out. KC 1-2 and 3 yards. Tied 0-0

Series 2...After a safety, we take a 10 play drive, with first and goal from the 1, and get a FG. KC was 4-5 for 45 yards. We are up 5-0.

Series 3...we go three and out. KC is sacked on first down for a 12yard loss. KC was 0-1. Still up 5-0

Series 4...7 play TD drive. KC was 4-5 for 61 yards. We are up 11-0 after drinking the XP.

Series 5...6 play drive ending in a KC sack/fumble. KC was 2-3 for 14 yards. This led to a GB FG and we are up 11-10.

Series 6...3 and out. KC was 1-2 for 5 yards.

Green Bay ends the first half with a TD and goes up 17- 11. KC was 12-18 for 128 yards. He did have a fumble lost.


Series 7...second half opens with a 9 play TD drive. KC was 5-6 for 54 yards and ended the drive with a three yard TD score to put us up 18-17.

Series 8...after an 11 play TD drive by GB...we go three and out. KC was 0-2. We are down 24-18.

Series 9...after a 10 play GB TD drive...we have a seven play drive. KC was 2-4 for 29 yards. He missed his second two throws of the drive after another sack on first put us well behind the chains. We are down 32-18.

Series 10...6 play drive that ended in a sack. KC was 2-5 for 14 yards.

Series 11...7 plays. KC was 5-6 for 76 yards. Series ended on a fourth down sack at GB 4 yard line.

Series 12...6 plays. KC was 3-5 for 28 yards. Game over.


I remember this game much better now. Our OL gave up six sacks and KC was under constant pressure. Overall I remember him playing fairly well. I also remember our defense starting well and ending up a total sieve. GB had 17 rushing yards in the first half and ended the game with 141 rushing.

 

[gkekoa]

Just saying what I hear with FA coming I'm sure there is alot of bullshit and jockeying going on at the end of the day Kirk will get fucked because teams will say let's just draft a qb Kirk will end up on a team like buffalo ,cards ,jets

Wherever he goes, I bet they have a better record than we do this upcoming season which includes Cleveland.

 

[Sportster 72]

So you don't think there's any context in which those numbers could've come in a game where the QB was bad?

So here is what is funny to me. You made the statement. That is fine. I couldn't remember off the top of my head so I went back to check the stats because you could have been right. But the stats suggest the opposite. So I went back and watched highlights. Remember DJ catching a ball inside the 5 and hitting his foot with pylon but the way he was holding the ball was behind him and they ruled it out at the 1 or 2 instead of a TD and they settle for a TD? Cousin's fault? Don't think so.

Now lets look at the bad, 6 sacks 3 and that is a lot fumbles by Cousin's with one recovered by Green Bay. Not good on his part. Not the sacks so much because that is line play but he is somewhat responsible but one issue I had with Cousin's was fumbling on sacks. He did that way too often. So lets say that led to one short field and 7 points for Green Bay. Green bay scored 35 had he not fumbled maybe they only get 28.

So lets go back and remember the game again. Redskins were up 12-0. Should have been 16-0 but DJ gave away 4 points on what should have been Cousin's 2nd TD pass. BTW Cousin's also had a rushing TD. Back to the game .... Redskins defense started well. Then Aaron Rodgers became Aaron Rodgers. They went to a hurry up. No answer from Joe Barry and his defense. The defense could never really stop them again.

If you take away 7 points from Green Bay and give the Redskins 4 points you still lose 28-22.

Lets get back to you saying Cousin's sucked in that game. About the time I looked up and posted his stats (my bad I missed the fumble but I also missed the rushing TD) you posted something to the effect "well I am not sure I don't really remember." But because I clarified you want to challenge the stats I posted. Here they are again.

63% completion, 329 yards, 1 TD pass, 1 Rushing TD, 1 TO (fumble) 91.7% QB rating (would have been higher if DJ does what he should have done on that one play.)

Do you think they tell the story? No not entirely. You still have a defense that gave up 35 points.

I think you have a problem with saying "oh yeah, I might have had that on wrong."

Kind of like your Josh Allen debate, you were waving around Josh Allen's completion percentage or lack of accuracy but when it was pointed out to you by others that your boy Lamar had close to the same completion percentage then you used the ehb factor of well Lamar's stats don't tell the entire story.

I really feel like many here did not appreciate what they had in Cousin's including the front office. There are plenty of stats (I know, sometimes you like them and sometimes you don't) that suggest he was a top QB in the league. Yes he had a couple of warts but who the fuck has won here under Snyder .... not even Joe Gibbs although he came as close as anyone.

Doesn't matter now and I think most of us knew that was going to be the case. Time to move on and lucky for you they traded for one of your all time favorite QBs. Maybe Jay Gruden can turn him into a top 5 QB .... oh wait, Andy did that last year.

It should make for an interesting season for all of us.