The 49er Sports SportsHoopla English, Grammar, Pronunciation, and Usage Thread

[yossarian]

I'm inviting Crimson, Toby Tyler, and IMAC to start it off and get us going. Just to be controversial -- there are many things in the english language that are technically correct that sound terrible. The prohibition on ending a sentence with a preposition is one of those mythical rules that is a perfect example.

 

[NinerSickness]

It's not 10 items or less...

It's 10 items or fewer.

 

[TobyTyler]

I'm inviting Crimson, Toby Tyler, and IMAC to start it off and get us going. Just to be controversial -- there are many things in the english language that are technically correct that sound terrible. The prohibition on ending a sentence with a preposition is one of those mythical rules that is a perfect example.

The one I hate the most; my all time pet peeve is "I could care less". It drives me crazy because when people use it, they are saying exactly the opposite of what they mean.

A close second for me is "irregardless". Arghh!!!!

 

[NinerSickness]

"Conversate" is not a real word. It's a fake word made up out of ignorance.

The word is converse.

 

[yossarian]

My pet peeve is when people mispronounce comparable as "compare" + "able", totally wrong. Or when they say "alluded to" when they're not insinuating or implying anything.

 

[NinerSickness]

20 seconds in:

 

[TobyTyler]

My pet peeve is when people mispronounce comparable as "compare" + "able", totally wrong. Or when they say "alluded to" when they're not insinuating or implying anything.

Another one is the difference between infer and imply and when to use which.

 

[TobyTyler]

"Conversate" is not a real word. It's a fake word made up out of ignorance.

The word is converse.

And you can put the emphasis on the "con" part of the word and have a completely different meaning.

 

[NinerSickness]

The word "hopefully" doesn't mean (or didn't until people constantly misused it) "I hope." It means full of hope.

"Hopefully the girl will go out with me." That doesn't mean I hope the girl will go out with me. It means the girl will go out with me, and she'll be full of hope while I regale her with tales of successful NFL draft evaluations.

 

[cezero]

The word "hopefully" doesn't mean (or didn't until people constantly misused it) "I hope." It means full of hope.

"Hopefully the girl will go out with me." That doesn't mean I hope the girl will go out with me. It means the girl will go out with me, and she'll be full of hope.

Word meanings change depending on their popular usage.

Also, we create words all of the time out of mistaken usage.

For example, the original word for a single little green thing that comes in a pod was "pease." The plural was "peases." Over time, however, it got to where "pea" became singular, and "peas" became plural.

That's the fun of English. Other languages, like French, are more protective of their language.

 

[yossarian]

Speaking of butchering the english language, I lived in San Diego when Jerry Coleman was the play by play guy for the Padres, here are some of his malapropisms.

Jerry Coleman Quotes

http://sports-boards.net/forums/showthread.php/25247-Yogi-Coleman-malaprops

 

[NinerSickness]

That's the fun of English. Other languages, like French, are more protective of their language.

Ah the French. Ask 'em to protect their borders from invasion, and they law down like a groupie on rohypnol. But try to change that language and they'll bury you under a pile of cigarettes, wine bottles & unwashed clothing.

 

[tomikcon1971]

You like potato and I like potahto
You like tomato and I like tomahto
Potato, potahto, Tomato, tomahto.
Let's call the whole thing off

 

[tallglassofwater007]

For me I can't stand all the new text shorthand. Texting and twitter are making a joke of the English language.

 

[YourFriendGannon]

Speaking of butchering the english language, I lived in San Diego when Jerry Coleman was the play by play guy for the Padres, here are some of his malapropisms.

Jerry Coleman Quotes

Yogi Coleman? -- malaprops

I've only seen it, never heard it before but the Dave Winfield one is my favorite play by play blooper of all time.

 

[TobyTyler]

For me I can't stand all the new text shorthand. Texting and twitter are making a joke of the English language.

+1. That's what started this whole thread when we ran afoul of the 140 characters or less crowd in the "Who cares what hat Kaepernick wears" thread.

 

[imac_21]

My pet peeve is when people mispronounce comparable as "compare" + "able", totally wrong. Or when they say "alluded to" when they're not insinuating or implying anything.

That pronunciation isn't wrong. Different regions will have different dialects. Much like composite being pronounced COMposite some place, and comPOSite in others.

 

[imac_21]

Another one is the difference between infer and imply and when to use which.

Infer can be a synonym for imply. Infer can, in essence, mean both sides of the imply/infer duality. If you say something vague, I can infer meaning from it, but if you imply something, it can also be said that you are inferring it (making inferences).

 

[JDM]

Infer can be a synonym for imply. Infer can, in essence, mean both sides of the imply/infer duality. If you say something vague, I can infer meaning from it, but if you imply something, it can also be said that you are inferring it (making inferences).

This isn't accurate.

 

[imac_21]

The word "hopefully" doesn't mean (or didn't until people constantly misused it) "I hope." It means full of hope.

"Hopefully the girl will go out with me." That doesn't mean I hope the girl will go out with me. It means the girl will go out with me, and she'll be full of hope while I regale her with tales of successful NFL draft evaluations.

Yes, but if we re-structure your sentence, without changing any words, we can get "The girl will hopefully go out with me."

This sentence means that I am full of hope that the girl will go out with me.

Even in your example, it means "She will hope" as a future tense, and on the date "she hopes" or "she is hoping."