Terms, Contracts, DFA Explained

[LHG]

Here is what I've found on the rules for the 60 player pool for 2020 (from MLB.com):
"Non-40-man-roster players may be removed by trade, release, placement on the COVID-19 related injured list, or placement on the suspended list (by the club), military, voluntarily retired, restricted, disqualified or ineligible lists. Any injured non-40-man-roster players will continue to count against the team’s Player Pool unless they are removed through one of the aforementioned transactions."

Here are links for the suspended, restricted, disqualified and ineligible list requirements.

 

[calsnowskier]

Similar to the 40-man list, except that a 49-spot can be freed up by going on the 60-day IL (45-day this year)


Either way, I stand by my opinion that he was added so the org could get a good, solid look at him this year.

 

[LHG]

Similar to the 40-man list, except that a 49-spot can be freed up by going on the 60-day IL (45-day this year)


Either way, I stand by my opinion that he was added so the org could get a good, solid look at him this year.

Not denying the reason why they did that. Just questioning why load up the 60 player pool on these types of players (I count Bailey, Luciano, Toribio, Wilson, Canario and Ramos, maybe Bart, in this group). Burning 7 or 8 spots in a year like this seems risky. I guess FZ and Harris can just churn through the 20 players between this group and the 30 active players. However, I don't know the rules for releasing guys who are have tested positive for COVID, should they get hit like the Marlins did. We should see how the Marlins handle roster management as early as Tuesday.

 

[calsnowskier]

Not denying the reason why they did that. Just questioning why load up the 60 player pool on these types of players (I count Bailey, Luciano, Toribio, Wilson, Canario and Ramos, maybe Bart, in this group). Burning 7 or 8 spots in a year like this seems risky. I guess FZ and Harris can just churn through the 20 players between this group and the 30 active players. However, I don't know the rules for releasing guys who are have tested positive for COVID, should they get hit like the Marlins did. We should see how the Marlins handle roster management as early as Tuesday.

Is there actually a minor league camp for teams to still work with non-60 players? Is Hjelle just chilling this year, for example? Or is he is Arizona or Sacto playing/working out every day?

 

[LHG]

Is there actually a minor league camp for teams to still work with non-60 players? Is Hjelle just chilling this year, for example? Or is he is Arizona or Sacto playing/working out every day?

I doubt there is any organized camp, considering the crazy restrictions going on this year. I think the 60 player pool was to allow just enough additional players to stay in game shape, under team supervision, without a every large amount of players and support personnel.
My guess is that Hjelle and other top prospects have a regimen that they maintain and report to the org on a regular basis. The rest are probably left to their own devices.

 

[LHG]

If anyone wants access to the roster rules for MLB, this link seems to be pretty thorough.

MLB Roster Rules Presented by Arizona Phil

 

[LHG]

This may be getting into the weeds a bit much but I wondered why players in the minor leagues were ocassionally listed as on a "development list". This is what I learned:

Development List (Minor Leagues Only) | The Cub Reporter (TCR) | A Chicago Cubs Blog

The Development List is for minor league players only.With approval of the MLB Commissioner, a player on a minor league Domestic Reserve List can be placed on the Development List if the player is at the parent organization's Minor League Spring Training Complex or a club-approved training...

www.thecubreporter.com

I also learned about the temporary inactive list as well:

Temporarily Inactive List (Minor Leagues Only)

 

[LHG]

What you need to know about MLB’s new CBA

Major League Baseball’s new collective bargaining agreement features plenty of new wrinkles that will alter the way the sport operates.

www.mlbdailydish.com

 

[LHG]

Well, I learned something new today. Apparently, NRIs cannot be added to 40 man rosters until March 15th.

Rays Select Trevor Kelley, Put Andrew Kittredge On 60-Day IL

The Rays selected the contract of righty Trevor Kelley and transferred Andrew Kittredge to the 60-day IL. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[calsnowskier]

Well, I learned something new today. Apparently, NRIs cannot be added to 40 man rosters until March 15th.

Rays Select Trevor Kelley, Put Andrew Kittredge On 60-Day IL

The Rays selected the contract of righty Trevor Kelley and transferred Andrew Kittredge to the 60-day IL. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

Interesting, but it makes total sense.

 

[LHG]

There is a rule that pitchers cannot be assigned to the minor leagues for more than 30 days on rehab assignments. Based on this rule, the Giants to make a decision to activate the following pitchers by:
Cobb - July 30th
Warren - July 4th
Ray - July 4th
And this is where it gets weird. He has not been activated yet and is set to start another rehab game soon. I looked around and could not find a rule change on this nor did I see a gap in his assignment. The rule does allow for an assignment to reset if the player has a setback. I’ve not heard of any setback for Ray, nor have I seen a gap in his starting. He has thrown every 4 to 5 days, except for his July 4th start, which came 6 days after his prior start.
Additionally, Warren started his rehab with the ACL on the same day and he has generally appeared in a game, with three different teams, every 2 to 4 days.
Now the rehab date you reference was when he was assigned to AAA, like Ray, he has bounced between the ACL, San Jose and Sacramento. But the rules don’t allow for the clock to reset every time a player gets moved. That would just make the rule unnecessary, as teams could just keep a guy they wanted but didn’t have room for on the 60 day IL, while actively playing, indefinitely. I’d love to know how the Giants successfully skirted around this rule.

I posted this on the Roster thread and decided to ask the writers at MLBTR about it. Here is what they said:

"You are correct that there is a 30-day limit on rehab assignments for a
pitcher. It's 20 days for a position player.
As for Ray and Warren, their rehabs were able to go beyond 30 days
because they were both coming back from Tommy John surgery and there is
an exception for such pitchers. Anne Rogers of MLB.com explained it on X
recently, in relation to Kris Bubic...

"FYI: Kris Bubic’s rehab assignment was extended by 10 days beginning
yesterday (6/6). It’s an exception to the typical 30 days allowed to
pitchers on a rehab assignment. The exception is only for pitchers
coming back from TJ surgery and must be approved by the player and
MLBPA. This 10-day extension can happen up to three times, totaling 30
extra days, but it must be reapproved at the end of each 10 days. So the
Royals and Bubic will revisit it in 10 days and decide if another
extension is needed. This allows him to keep building up innings."

Though it may not have been reported, the Giants and the MLBPA and
Ray/Warren all presumably agreed to going past the 30 days, as it was
just a part of their post-TJS ramp-up and not any kind of shady
shenanigans on the part of the club trying to skirt around the rules."