Tdog's take on RG3

[Tdog21Skins]

Ok first off the man really needs to learn how to slide; and he needs to learn when to step out of bounds or slide, he can't keep taking hits especially in a meaningless preseason game.. I know that he wants to make a play and pick up positive yards but you definitely have to protect yourself and know when to throw the ball away/get out of bounds and or slide.

Who's fault was it for the fumble RG3 or Alfred Morris? Didn't they have a bad pitch last year in the season opener against the Eagles on Monday night?

On RG3's INT he can't make that throw he should have thrown it away, but we have to do a better job blocking especially the RB's

And how can we not score with the ball at the 1 yard line, the Oline has to do a better job of getting a good push up front.


There were also some positives as well with RG3!

 

[j_y19]

Ok first off the man really needs to learn how to slide; and he needs to learn when to step out of bounds or slide, he can't keep taking hits especially in a meaningless preseason game.. I know that he wants to make a play and pick up positive yards but you definitely have to protect yourself and know when to throw the ball away/get out of bounds and or slide.

Who's fault was it for the fumble RG3 or Alfred Morris? Didn't they have a bad pitch last year in the season opener against the Eagles on Monday night?

On RG3's INT he can't make that throw he should have thrown it away, but we have to do a better job blocking especially the RB's

And how can we not score with the ball at the 1 yard line, the Oline has to do a better job of getting a good push up front.


There were also some positives as well with RG3!

RG3 is not going to last in this league unless he learns to avoid contact. As fast as he is in straight line speed, he is not elusive. He runs almost out of control and cannot make the quick cuts to side steps to avoid the big hit. That series of hits he took on the sideline after his first run was completely avoidable. He picked up 18 yds, but he could have easily gone out of bounds safely after about 14 yards. I'm beginning to question if he has the intelligence we were all led to believe he has.

The INT was a terrible throw, but that's going to happen. That was a situation where you throw the ball away. We were in the redone, he had no where to escape to as the pocket was crashing all around him. Just toss it into the second row. OF course, he doesn't practice that as he feels it is a waste of time.......well guess what, what you practice, you become proficient at. What you don't practice, you don't.

Now for the good news. First, the pitch to Morris was perfect. Morris just took his eyes off it. Robert had a couple of plays where he stood in the pocket and looked over all his options before he found an open man. That is what we want to see. He moved the offense up and down the field. The bad news is the interior of our OL just sucked. It was routinely collapsed on both running and passing plays. Morris was getting hit 3 yards behind the LOS by the nose tackle or DT. Our redzone offense was pathetic, again due to no push from our OL. I was concerned about Licht at center, he is still undersized. But our Guards were just as bad. This needs to be fixed asap.

The other good news is we have some very good backup QBs. I see no way we cut McCoy. He is decisive and knows the offense. We need to keep him around and really start the trade works for Cousins. Both these guys looked good after settling down.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

That fumble was 100% Morris' fault. As I mentioned elsewhere - I believe that RG3 realizes that he has to get out of bounds quicker & avoid hits, but his instincts get the best of him - this is a work in process - hopefully it is in place before he incurs some major damage. He appears to be capable of doing a lot of good things from the pocket. I also believe that the O-line is a work in process & we will see some major changes over the course of the season.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

RG3 is not going to last in this league unless he learns to avoid contact. As fast as he is in straight line speed, he is not elusive. He runs almost out of control and cannot make the quick cuts to side steps to avoid the big hit. That series of hits he took on the sideline after his first run was completely avoidable. He picked up 18 yds, but he could have easily gone out of bounds safely after about 14 yards. I'm beginning to question if he has the intelligence we were all led to believe he has.

The INT was a terrible throw, but that's going to happen. That was a situation where you throw the ball away. We were in the redone, he had no where to escape to as the pocket was crashing all around him. Just toss it into the second row. OF course, he doesn't practice that as he feels it is a waste of time.......well guess what, what you practice, you become proficient at. What you don't practice, you don't.

Now for the good news. First, the pitch to Morris was perfect. Morris just took his eyes off it. Robert had a couple of plays where he stood in the pocket and looked over all his options before he found an open man. That is what we want to see. He moved the offense up and down the field. The bad news is the interior of our OL just sucked. It was routinely collapsed on both running and passing plays. Morris was getting hit 3 yards behind the LOS by the nose tackle or DT. Our redzone offense was pathetic, again due to no push from our OL. I was concerned about Licht at center, he is still undersized. But our Guards were just as bad. This needs to be fixed asap.

The other good news is we have some very good backup QBs. I see no way we cut McCoy. He is decisive and knows the offense. We need to keep him around and really start the trade works for Cousins. Both these guys looked good after settling down.

I like this breakdown. Mixed bag from Griff, but some good stuff in terms of progressions and some sweet passes. The sliding...jezus.... At least he's saying the right thing. And it's nice to see the athleticism back. Pressing and throwing off the back foot...but this is what preseason is for.

And KC, baby Rex in the making. Not working against 1s on defense, for those that forget that.

Our D, damn. I was pleasantly surprised by the pressure. And Breeland damn, why does that dude have to so stupid in terms of Ganga....

Our STs, still gotta lot of work to be done.

 

[skinsdad62]

you know alot of people point out the negative things Rg3 did and simply gloss over the good things

how about that bomb to roberts ? tell me that wasnt an excellent throw tell me that before that horrible INT that he wasnt throwing the ball well and making good reads ?

now i will tell you watching him slides makes me ill horrible

and that int should have been a throw away .

overall i would say a C plus for him with the int taking a huge bite out of the grade . without the int i would say solid B

 

[skinz2winz]

If you watched the game closely 2x, you must have realized the Browns may be one of the worst coached teams in the league.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

you know alot of people point out the negative things Rg3 did and simply gloss over the good things

how about that bomb to roberts ? tell me that wasnt an excellent throw tell me that before that horrible INT that he wasnt throwing the ball well and making good reads ?

now i will tell you watching him slides makes me ill horrible

and that int should have been a throw away .

overall i would say a C plus for him with the int taking a huge bite out of the grade . without the int i would say solid B

Basically agree. I have no real problem if he makes mistakes in terms of passing decisions, etc - it is part of the learning process. However - he can't afford to make the mistakes in terms of absorbing hits, incorrect slides, etc since this has the potential for disaster. I am sure that he is working with the coaches to change all of this - appears to be a matter of making this second nature so that his natural instincts don't get him in real trouble.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I like a lot of things I saw from Griff last nite.

And it's preseason. I feel quite optimistic about the O gelling quicker than I originally thought. Still some timing issues. And 2nd and 3rd reads... And some sweet passes. And a strong running game which will help Griff a lot.


I didn't cover that aspect but only because it had already been covered quite nicely by J_y.

 

[Sportster 72]

you know alot of people point out the negative things Rg3 did and simply gloss over the good things

how about that bomb to roberts ? tell me that wasnt an excellent throw tell me that before that horrible INT that he wasnt throwing the ball well and making good reads ?

now i will tell you watching him slides makes me ill horrible

and that int should have been a throw away .

overall i would say a C plus for him with the int taking a huge bite out of the grade . without the int i would say solid B

dad, okay if we critique? I don't think many are slamming Griffin. A lot are worried that he hasn't learned very much about taking hits. The kid did some nice stuff and he did some poor stuff. That can be said about every QB that played last night for both teams. All three Redskins threw a pick. Griffin and Cousins threw a nice deep ball. Don't be so sensitive.

If the season were to start tomorrow all three QBs need work. I might be willing to put Gruden behind center.

Breeland looked real good, Grant too. Breeland needs a guy to do his buying. That was the word on the radio last week. Long and Moses held up well. Glad to see Roberts get some plays and DJax is just one step away from gone at anytime. I liked the three man combo of Kerrigan, Murphy and Orakpo.

 

[skinsdad62]

the interior of the o/line is a concern. that goal line stand by the browns was very telling . we may have to rethink the play calling down there .

 

[Sportster 72]

Guys sometimes coaches want to see how players react in certain situations during preseason. Do you really think Gruden runs 4 straight times on the goal line. I certainly don't think so. I think we each attempt that failed Gruden said lets put this on tape.

Oddly I don't know what you think you saw there. Three of those plays were designed so Trent Williams, Lauvao and Licht drive block to the right, Chester pulls and kicks out whoever is in the hole. On one play we caved the line but Chester got met two yards into the backfield. On another Williams block was only so so and Chester got met 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. The third play was just a power off tackle play and Williams got no movement. The attack point three times was outside Williams.

Now what I think will happen is Gruden goes and plays that tape and some people get asked about their manhood. But I bet you don't see 4 straight run plays from the 3 during the regular season. I think there was a purpose behind it.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Guys sometimes coaches want to see how players react in certain situations during preseason. Do you really think Gruden runs 4 straight times on the goal line. I certainly don't think so. I think we each attempt that failed Gruden said lets put this on tape.

Oddly I don't know what you think you saw there. Three of those plays were designed so Trent Williams, Lauvao and Licht drive block to the right, Chester pulls and kicks out whoever is in the hole. On one play we caved the line but Chester got met two yards into the backfield. On another Williams block was only so so and Chester got met 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. The third play was just a power off tackle play and Williams got no movement. The attack point three times was outside Williams.

Now what I think will happen is Gruden goes and plays that tape and some people get asked about their manhood. But I bet you don't see 4 straight run plays from the 3 during the regular season. I think there was a purpose behind it.

Always enjoy your breakdowns. You're insight into the play is always interesting to me since I never played football myself. What you say here makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[Sportster 72]

Always enjoy your breakdowns. You're insight into the play is always interesting to me since I never played football myself. What you say here makes a lot of sense to me.

Honestly most of us don't know crap and that includes me because we don't know what the play call was, we don't know everyone's assignment etc etc. The reason I feel confident is saying we won't see those 4 plays run in regular season is because they are very basic plays. It is great when you are so dominant that you can run them even if the other team knows they are coming but the strength of our line is not strength, it is movement.

Things change a lot when teams start game planning. Then you are trying to attack other teams weaknesses. Pre-season is about finding out what our strengths are, not the other teams weaknesses.

 

[redskin4209]

Sportster 72

But I bet you don't see 4 straight run plays from the 3 during the regular season. I think there was a purpose behind it.

I was thinking the same after the 4th down run. But here's what alarms me. Our SKINS had 2 TO's and were denied patdirt on 4 downs at the one yard line all in the first half. Granted this team is a work progress but one cannot help of thinking about our sloppy play early last season.

 

[skinsdad62]

Guys sometimes coaches want to see how players react in certain situations during preseason. Do you really think Gruden runs 4 straight times on the goal line. I certainly don't think so. I think we each attempt that failed Gruden said lets put this on tape.

Oddly I don't know what you think you saw there. Three of those plays were designed so Trent Williams, Lauvao and Licht drive block to the right, Chester pulls and kicks out whoever is in the hole. On one play we caved the line but Chester got met two yards into the backfield. On another Williams block was only so so and Chester got met 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. The third play was just a power off tackle play and Williams got no movement. The attack point three times was outside Williams.

Now what I think will happen is Gruden goes and plays that tape and some people get asked about their manhood. But I bet you don't see 4 straight run plays from the 3 during the regular season. I think there was a purpose behind it.

he did have a purpose . what i am saying is perhaps since our o/line isnt built for power football that we have to get new guys who can run that or play to the strengths of the o/line .

i think chester got tripped twice so that hurt as well (stepped on stiegers foot )

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Sportster 72

But I bet you don't see 4 straight run plays from the 3 during the regular season. I think there was a purpose behind it.

I was thinking the same after the 4th down run. But here's what alarms me. Our SKINS had 2 TO's and were denied patdirt on 4 downs at the one yard line all in the first half. Granted this team is a work progress but one cannot help of thinking about our sloppy play early last season.

I would be concerned about RG3's INT & would have to believe that they are addressing that area (e.g. if you are in that situation just throw the ball away & settle for 3). I am not worried at all about the Morris fumble - it happens but not very often. As for the goal line stand - not too concerned for multiple reasons - you have to give the Browns credit & no way would they run the same plays in a regular season game.

The Redskins may have issues this season but please don't put much stock into these games where a lot of the impact players do very little & the playbook is a shell of the real one.

 

[Sportster 72]

he did have a purpose . what i am saying is perhaps since our o/line isnt built for power football that we have to get new guys who can run that or play to the strengths of the o/line .

i think chester got tripped twice so that hurt as well (stepped on stiegers foot )

I knew Chester was late on two plays but didn't know he tripped over Litch's foot. Could be that Litch got pushed back. Ideally you would like for our line to open that hole but that is just not strength of this line.

This probably isn't the popular vote but I think Royster is the 2nd best back on the team. He does not have break away speed but he can run inside, block and catch the ball. I think Redd is similar although a little behind Royster.

 

[skinsdad62]

I knew Chester was late on two plays but didn't know he tripped over Litch's foot. Could be that Litch got pushed back. Ideally you would like for our line to open that hole but that is just not strength of this line.

This probably isn't the popular vote but I think Royster is the 2nd best back on the team. He does not have break away speed but he can run inside, block and catch the ball. I think Redd is similar although a little behind Royster.

right now i think royster should make it

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Patience is our friend...again...

Let Robert Griffin III Grow - Hogs Haven

 

[skinsdad62]

Patience is our friend...again...

Let Robert Griffin III Grow - Hogs Haven

some people dont have it for him