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Talib Vs. Robey

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I have to say from a player stand point (not so much outside football character standpoint) - the Broncos ought to, at least. consider re-signing Talib - if they can. Here are my points:

1) Talib is a ballhawk - heads up player.
2) Every single interception becomes a threat for a touchdown as he is a very gifted interception return man - of the scale of D. Sanders.
3) He will take the tough cover - give a way weight and muscle - and still play with attitude.
4) He is an emotional leader on the defense - when on the field and on the sideline.
5) He is a top 5 CB in football.

Counter argument:

1) Robey is younger, bigger - has a longer reach and maybe is just as fast.
2) Robey has shown tremendous character growth over his professional career.
3) Robey also covers the tough guys - and his a genuine playmaker.
4) Robey also scores TDs.
5) Robey will be less expensive than Talib (by far).
6) The Broncos will probably earned a #3 round pick if Talib leaves in FA.
7) Talib will likely command enough guaranteed money that a team owner would have to worry if Talib would be able to continue to play at a high level for enough years (that and Talib's history with drinking and guns).


Prior to the season - I saw this as a no brainer - Robey - for less money. However, Talib has had the kind of season that has been very special on the field - and has made this a close discussion. I still think you have to get a real discount from Talib to remain a Bronco - or let him walk for significant money guaranteed elsewhere.
 

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Extend him another year and give him more guaranteed money. Talib is better than Roby. Roby is very good and very fast but he is not as smooth as Talib is (little stiff in the hips, more of a plant and go type where he is extremely fast).
 

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I have to say from a player stand point (not so much outside football character standpoint) - the Broncos ought to, at least. consider re-signing Talib - if they can. Here are my points:

1) Talib is a ballhawk - heads up player.
2) Every single interception becomes a threat for a touchdown as he is a very gifted interception return man - of the scale of D. Sanders.
3) He will take the tough cover - give a way weight and muscle - and still play with attitude.
4) He is an emotional leader on the defense - when on the field and on the sideline.
5) He is a top 5 CB in football.

Counter argument:

1) Robey is younger, bigger - has a longer reach and maybe is just as fast.
2) Robey has shown tremendous character growth over his professional career.
3) Robey also covers the tough guys - and his a genuine playmaker.
4) Robey also scores TDs.
5) Robey will be less expensive than Talib (by far).
6) The Broncos will probably earned a #3 round pick if Talib leaves in FA.
7) Talib will likely command enough guaranteed money that a team owner would have to worry if Talib would be able to continue to play at a high level for enough years (that and Talib's history with drinking and guns).


Prior to the season - I saw this as a no brainer - Robey - for less money. However, Talib has had the kind of season that has been very special on the field - and has made this a close discussion. I still think you have to get a real discount from Talib to remain a Bronco - or let him walk for significant money guaranteed elsewhere.

Wonder if Roby will see something similar to Janoris Jenkins. Not too bad a contract.

I'd possibly be concerned with Talib's back at age 31.

3 names to keep on eye on in 2017 Okung, Ward and Stephenson. Together would make $22MM , savings would be $18MM.

I still would trade back to the top of the 2nd. Trade that pick and a comp 3rd to Clev for Joe Thomas.
 
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My plan right now would be

1. resign walker
2. extend talib and add guaranteed money while hopefully reducing the cap hit
3. let okung walk, maybe cut stephenson depending on how he does down the stretch.
4. Sign Andrew Whitworth to play LT
5. Sign xxxx to play some nose (idk who yet, but there will likely be a cheapish vet that we can plug and play there with kilgo. Those guys don't get paid much)
6. Draft like the mock I just did lol

Oline would be
LT: Whitworth
LG: Garcia/McGovern/Stephenson/Forestt Lamp (OT from WKU) ((have an open competition. Someone out of this group will be good enough next year I fully believe)
C: Paradis
RG: Schofield
RT: Bolles (OT from Utah).
 

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@Dr Cyanide 28 - I enjoyed your mock, thanks so much for sharing!!
Hey thanks. I love doing it! Thank you very much for reading it. I don't do these mocks for myself, I do it for my fans (and the ladies!)

Haha But seriously, i do them just to add to the convo. Love the whole draft process of acquiring talent and building a roster
 

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3 years into his Denver Bronco career, you would think Mingo would know how to spell his last name. (Roby)

:)
 

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My plan right now would be

1. resign walker
2. extend talib and add guaranteed money while hopefully reducing the cap hit
3. let okung walk, maybe cut stephenson depending on how he does down the stretch.
4. Sign Andrew Whitworth to play LT
5. Sign xxxx to play some nose (idk who yet, but there will likely be a cheapish vet that we can plug and play there with kilgo. Those guys don't get paid much)
6. Draft like the mock I just did lol

Oline would be
LT: Whitworth
LG: Garcia/McGovern/Stephenson/Forestt Lamp (OT from WKU) ((have an open competition. Someone out of this group will be good enough next year I fully believe)
C: Paradis
RG: Schofield
RT: Bolles (OT from Utah).

Expanding on this, not sure what I do with Ware and Stewart. Would like to have Ware back but almost more in a player/coach role with limited snaps and one year. Stewart pry leaves... just gonna be expensive and this draft is good at S and we drafted two decent looking ones last year. After my moves, the depth chart would be

* = indicates drafted
** = added in free agency

QB: Siemian/Lynch (training camp battle to win QB1)
RB: Anderson/Booker/Shell*/Bibbs
FB: Jano
WR: DT/Sanders/Westbrook*/Taylor/Fowler/Latimer/Brown (obviously not all make the roster)
TE: Green/Derby/Sprinkle*/Heurerman
LT: Whitworth**/Bolles*
LG: Stephenson/Garcia/Lamp*/McGovern (someone will win over camp I would assume. Lots of developmental options)
C: Paradis/Garcia/McGovern
RG: Schofield/Stephenson/Bolles*/Garcia/Lamp*
RT: Bolles*/Stephenson/Lamp*

DE: Wolfe/Walker**/Gotsis/Jones/Crick
NT: xxxx*/Kilgo/Taylor
OLB: Ware?/Miller/Ray/Barrett/Watson
ILB: Marshall/Jalen Reeves-Maybin*/Davis/Nelson/Anderson
CB: Talib/CHJ/Roby/Douglas*/Doss
S: Ward/Simmons/Parks/Melifonwu

K: McManus
P: Dixon
KR/PR: Westbrook*
 

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Think Westbrook will be a KR/PR as a rookie with no experience as a KR/PR in college? Seems our team isn't real fond of rookie returners let alone a guy with no experience.

Love me some Rasaul Douglas... Ball skills out the roof. Still needs some work in coverage before he is NFL ready but he will get there.
 

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Pretty sure we don't need to re-sign Talib as he signed a 5/6 year deal I believe back when we signed him. We may want to restructure him because of his money but he's not in danger of leaving through Free Agency unless we cut him.
 

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Pretty sure we don't need to re-sign Talib as he signed a 5/6 year deal I believe back when we signed him. We may want to restructure him because of his money but he's not in danger of leaving through Free Agency unless we cut him.

thanks for the correction.
 

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Think Westbrook will be a KR/PR as a rookie with no experience as a KR/PR in college? Seems our team isn't real fond of rookie returners let alone a guy with no experience.

Love me some Rasaul Douglas... Ball skills out the roof. Still needs some work in coverage before he is NFL ready but he will get there.
You want a return guy for Broncos?? Look no further than Adoree Jackson - USC. Wow! What a day he is having vs ND :)
 

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You want a return guy for Broncos?? Look no further than Adoree Jackson - USC. Wow! What a day he is having vs ND :)
Yep brought his name up couple weeks ago.
Coach him up in the secondary he comes in right away and plays ST and probably 3rd/4th CB
Also want samuels from OSU if he is a 3rd rounder
 

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Jackson is a great return man. Should be playing WR instead of CB though...

He is a lot like Devin Hester.
 

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Yeah thankfully Talib is actually signed through 2019 if we really want to look at his contract. So 3 more seasons. Most likely though next year would be his last unless he just continues to be timeless and can stay out of trouble and they have trouble getting a deal done with Roby. His Cap hit the next 2 seasons though is $12 million a year. Honestly right now the Broncos just are not hurting for cap space though because of the QB situation. They pretty much have the core of this team completely locked up for the next few years now that Stewart is signed long-term. Talib being cut was more with the idea of trying to get a long-term deal done with Roby early and thinking that Talib would start showing some more age.

Now to me with with the play of Roby this year he has left a lot to be desired. The talent is there. I have never questioned the guy has the talent to be the best Corner in this league. Just seems like he is pushing too hard this year really trying to make a name for himself and has gotten burned some. Honestly though I think this has bought the Broncos an extra year to evaluate him. They can slap that 5th year option on him and just see how he responds to a down year. They can continue to build to the Corner depth through the draft and just see who emerges. No reason to rush things.
 

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I think that is good advice and commentary - CD. Roby seems to be learning a lot on the field this year - he has a desire to get better - so he might blossom like a full blown Talib yet. Certainly, no character problems from Roby in his professional career.
 

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I think that is good advice and commentary - CD. Roby seems to be learning a lot on the field this year - he has a desire to get better - so he might blossom like a full blown Talib yet. Certainly, no character problems from Roby in his professional career.

The nice thing with Roby is the Broncos realistically still have 2 more years to truly see what he has. Before this season after his great Sophomore season I would have said get this guy signed as quickly as possible but now I would say it is worth waiting. Let him go out and prove his worth and hey it might cost us more a couple of years down the road if he proves to be the best CB in the league but to me it would be worth just seeing a bit more. I still think the world of the kid even after another tough game this past Sunday but he has definitely shown he has not arrived.
 
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