Some clown claims Lidstrom better than Orr?

[beantownmaniac]

Don't get me wrong, Lids is a great defenseman, but please don't compare him to Orr. One is a very good HOF defenseman, one was unstoppable and ranked the 2nd best (greatest if you ask me) player of all time.

Best NHL Defensemen: Top 10 NHL Defensemen All-Time

Here's their career stats.

Bobby Orr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nicklas Lidström - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Edit: I realize this is an old article, so I can imagine the author is only claiming even more now.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

I like Lidstrom but......................No, he is a great defense men no doubt and probably second to Orr.

I wouldn't mind either of them on my team !

 

[BlueandWhiteForever]

Have to love it when someone uses the phrase "Face the facts" to prove his blabbering nonsense.

This guys opinion changes nothing. Orr was the greatest player ever, end of story.

 

[BlueandWhiteForever]

Also, Ray Boruque better than Doug Harvey?

 

[BOSSMANPC]

This list is a fucking joke right? Housley for honorable mention? I watched this guy play for years and he was a forward playing defense.

If he was in line at the grocery store and you knocked his cart over on purpose and said "fuck you" he would have asked some 18 year old girl behind the register to help him out so he didn't get the shit kicked out of him.

Reading this stupid fucking list I'm convinced this guy is on crack. WTF!!!

 

[puckhead]

Guarantee this guy never saw Orr play the game.
I can't speak for Harvey's ranking because I never saw him play.

 

[jojoh07]

lol what a joke , bobby orr is arguably the greatest player of all time

 

[rares]

Yeah, yeah, but what about Lindstrom? :p

 

[dash]

I stopped reading when I saw #5 - Paul Coffey. This is a guy who had to be introduced to his goalie at the end of the game.

Don't get me wrong, fantastic skater and offensive player, but quite suspect on the defensive side.

 

[juliansteed]

While heathy? Orr > Lidstrom

Overall career taking health and durability into account? Lidstrom > Orr

You can make a case to use either criteria but the writer of this article redeemed himself as far as I'm concerned by stating that the injuries and shortened career are what kept him from being #1.

 

[beantownmaniac]

#6 – Denis Potvin

He brought offense to Rhode Island like no other defenseman and did it with style and pizzazz.

Yeah, this guy can't be real.

 

[puckhead]

While heathy? Orr > Lidstrom

Overall career taking health and durability into account? Lidstrom > Orr

You can make a case to use either criteria but the writer of this article redeemed himself as far as I'm concerned by stating that the injuries and shortened career are what kept him from being #1.

gotta disagree.

by that reasoning, you could argue that Scott Mellanby was a comparable hockey player to Pavel Bure.
about twice the amount of game, but similar production over their career

Bure - 702 games, 437 goals, 779 pts
Mellanby - 1,431 games, 364 goals, 840 pts.


just doesn't pass the sniff test, as far as I'm concerned,
and neither does Lidstrom > Orr

 

[Comeds]

Eric Weinrich has to be someone on that list too for it to be a good one.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

You are all full of shit, our friend would say Aki Berg in a heart beat !!!

 

[devs30rko]

that list made me gag.


i love lidstrom, the fact is he's probably the best of an entire generation and then some, and there is next to nothing to dislike about the guy.
but that said there are 2 points.

1. just no. he's not.
2. there also two completely different kinds of players. its very hard to even try to compare them without simply stating their differences in players traits, as opposed to the pros and cons of each.

 

[beantownmaniac]

You are all full of shit, our friend would say Aki Berg in a heart beat !!!

Sorry Boss, I know you'll call it a homer pick, but nobody could fill Mike Millbury's shoes, err skates!!

YouTube - ‪Thirty Year Anniversary of Mike Milbury's Shoe Incident at M‬‏

 

[elocomotive]

gotta disagree.

by that reasoning, you could argue that Scott Mellanby was a comparable hockey player to Pavel Bure.
about twice the amount of game, but similar production over their career

I don't think Scott Mellanby and Pavel Bure is a good comparison. One is a likely Hall of Famer and one has no shot at the Hall. Lidstrom and Orr are both HOFers.

I think JulianSteed has a good point in that if you said to a GM would you rather have a top 3 D-man who will play for 9 years or a Top 10 D-man who will play for two decades, you'd have a hard choice to make.

I never saw Orr play, so I really can't have an opinion. I think trying to compare guys across different eras is always very difficult and people tend to associate a certain mythology to the legends of old. Maybe Orr was greater easily, but he never had to face the speed and skill of players today and the best of Europe/Russia like Lidstrom has. In the end, it's impossible to know, but I thin Steed has a good point.

 

[puckhead]

I don't think Scott Mellanby and Pavel Bure is a good comparison. One is a likely Hall of Famer and one has no shot at the Hall. Lidstrom and Orr are both HOFers.

I think JulianSteed has a good point in that if you said to a GM would you rather have a top 3 D-man who will play for 9 years or a Top 10 D-man who will play for two decades, you'd have a hard choice to make.

I never saw Orr play, so I really can't have an opinion. I think trying to compare guys across different eras is always very difficult and people tend to associate a certain mythology to the legends of old. Maybe Orr was greater easily, but he never had to face the speed and skill of players today and the best of Europe/Russia like Lidstrom has. In the end, it's impossible to know, but I thin Steed has a good point.

I find to test a theory you have to expand it to the limits (the reason behind bure v. mellanby).
great for 20 years, versus phenomenal for 10... when you ask who the better player is, phenomenal is still the answer.
many of the players of that era will tell you, Orr was playing a different game out there than the rest of them were.
however good Lidstrom has been over his career, the same can't be said of him.

 

[elocomotive]

I find to test a theory you have to expand it to the limits (the reason behind bure v. mellanby).
great for 20 years, versus phenomenal for 10... when you ask who the better player is, phenomenal is still the answer.
many of the players of that era will tell you, Orr was playing a different game out there than the rest of them were.
however good Lidstrom has been over his career, the same can't be said of him.

Yeah, but Lidstrom and Orr are both among the best ever at their position. Bure is a likely HOFer, and Mellanby was an average/workman player. I just don't think that's a good comparison. I agree with your general framework, but I don't think the analogy rings true, that's all.

I also don't think "great" sums up Lidstrom. Orr won 8 straight Norris trophies. Lidstrom won 6 out of 7. Both clearly dominant for their era.

Like I said, I don't know who was better. I can't say. I just though Steed had a really good point/argument. That's all.

 

[beantownmaniac]

Yeah, but Lidstrom and Orr are both among the best ever at their position. Bure is a likely HOFer, and Mellanby was an average/workman player. I just don't think that's a good comparison. I agree with your general framework, but I don't think the analogy rings true, that's all.

I also don't think "great" sums up Lidstrom. Orr won 8 straight Norris trophies. Lidstrom won 6 out of 7. Both clearly dominant for their era.

Like I said, I don't know who was better. I can't say. I just though Steed had a really good point/argument. That's all.

I still don't think Lidstrom should have won the Norris THIS year. I'm sorry, but -2 is -2, no matter how you want to slice it.