So...Nebraska...

[occupant]

Looks like next year you're getting put in the catbird seat again.

Getting the honor of inhabiting a perceptibly weaker division of a conference.

Gonna be able to hack it this time?

 

[Sox33OSU]

 

[Red_Alert]

Looks like next year you're getting put in the catbird seat again.

Getting the honor of inhabiting a perceptibly weaker division of a conference.

Gonna be able to hack it this time?

Only if major changes are made to the staff this year. Otherwise, more of the same looks likely.

 

[Tharvot]

Looks like next year you're getting put in the catbird seat again.

Getting the honor of inhabiting a perceptibly weaker division of a conference.

Gonna be able to hack it this time?

Iowa and NW may have something to say about that...oh and that one other team, Wisconsin.

No doubt the west is the weaker of the bunch with Ohio St, Michigan, PSU, and MSU all on the same side. Be that as it may, hopefully the crossover matchups even things out a bit most years.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

Looks like next year you're getting put in the catbird seat again.

Getting the honor of inhabiting a perceptibly weaker division of a conference.

Gonna be able to hack it this time?

Wisconsin will be the big dog of the western division. But it won't matter.

Not with the current coaching staff, unless Papuchis gets canned and Pelini changes his spots. Pelini won't change his spots, so Pelini and Papuchis can both submit their resumes to U Conn.

Be just like the Big 12 North. Except there will be Wisconsin, which is a step up from Colorado and K State IMHO.

I have already predicted that in five years the West Division of the B1G will be ridiculed by the eastern division for being weak.

1. All the recruits are in the EASTERN division.
2. The usual recruiting crap will happen, "why go play in the west division when your parents can see you in the east division."

Let us compare populations.

Throw out Illinois in the western division, because does Illinois really have good football players? I don't think so, otherwise U of Illinois would be really good. Although, it is possible to say Northwestern is going well. But their academics makes 80% of Illinois recruits only eligible to play at either Texas or Oklahoma. Plus, the B1G has been recruiting Illinois forever so no recruit in Illinois is loyal to the state school, like Texas.

The populations of the eastern states Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, and Indiana is 55,000,000.

The populations of Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, and Wisconsin is 18,000,000.

That means the east has 55 chances to find the one in a million recruit every year, whereas the west has a 18 chances to find the 1 in a million kids. More than a 3 to 1 ratio.

The B1G has ensured that the eastern division will be dominant and the western division will be a laughing stock.

The western division of the B1G will probably have to drop out of B1G play and merge with the old remaiining Big 12 North and make the Great Rivers Conference or the Fly Over Conference or the Irrelevant Conference and maybe go to FCS play.

 

[KansasSooner]

Maybe the west division teams should start offering scholarships to all the MAC team players whose teams seem to be beating a few of the B1G teams...

 

[Doctor Krieger]

Wisconsin will be the big dog of the western division. But it won't matter.

Not with the current coaching staff, unless Papuchis gets canned and Pelini changes his spots. Pelini won't change his spots, so Pelini and Papuchis can both submit their resumes to U Conn.

Be just like the Big 12 North. Except there will be Wisconsin, which is a step up from Colorado and K State IMHO.

I have already predicted that in five years the West Division of the B1G will be ridiculed by the eastern division for being weak.

1. All the recruits are in the EASTERN division.
2. The usual recruiting crap will happen, "why go play in the west division when your parents can see you in the east division."

Let us compare populations.

Throw out Illinois in the western division, because does Illinois really have good football players? I don't think so, otherwise U of Illinois would be really good. Although, it is possible to say Northwestern is going well. But their academics makes 80% of Illinois recruits only eligible to play at either Texas or Oklahoma. Plus, the B1G has been recruiting Illinois forever so no recruit in Illinois is loyal to the state school, like Texas.

The populations of the eastern states Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, and Indiana is 55,000,000.

The populations of Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, and Wisconsin is 18,000,000.

That means the east has 55 chances to find the one in a million recruit every year, whereas the west has a 18 chances to find the 1 in a million kids. More than a 3 to 1 ratio.

The B1G has ensured that the eastern division will be dominant and the western division will be a laughing stock.

The western division of the B1G will probably have to drop out of B1G play and merge with the old remaiining Big 12 North and make the Great Rivers Conference or the Fly Over Conference or the Irrelevant Conference and maybe go to FCS play.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Wisconsin >>> Nebraska

 

[Doctor Krieger]

Wisconsin >>> Nebraska

 

[Tharvot]

Wisconsin will be the big dog of the western division. But it won't matter.

Not with the current coaching staff, unless Papuchis gets canned and Pelini changes his spots. Pelini won't change his spots, so Pelini and Papuchis can both submit their resumes to U Conn.

Be just like the Big 12 North. Except there will be Wisconsin, which is a step up from Colorado and K State IMHO.

I have already predicted that in five years the West Division of the B1G will be ridiculed by the eastern division for being weak.

1. All the recruits are in the EASTERN division.
2. The usual recruiting crap will happen, "why go play in the west division when your parents can see you in the east division."

Let us compare populations.

Throw out Illinois in the western division, because does Illinois really have good football players? I don't think so, otherwise U of Illinois would be really good. Although, it is possible to say Northwestern is going well. But their academics makes 80% of Illinois recruits only eligible to play at either Texas or Oklahoma. Plus, the B1G has been recruiting Illinois forever so no recruit in Illinois is loyal to the state school, like Texas.

The populations of the eastern states Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, and Indiana is 55,000,000.

The populations of Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, and Wisconsin is 18,000,000.

That means the east has 55 chances to find the one in a million recruit every year, whereas the west has a 18 chances to find the 1 in a million kids. More than a 3 to 1 ratio.

The B1G has ensured that the eastern division will be dominant and the western division will be a laughing stock.

The western division of the B1G will probably have to drop out of B1G play and merge with the old remaiining Big 12 North and make the Great Rivers Conference or the Fly Over Conference or the Irrelevant Conference and maybe go to FCS play.

What does population difference matter? Whether Ohio State is going to the east or west, they are going to get almost all the best recruits in Ohio no matter what.

Nebraska is going to have to step up their on the field play as well as their recruiting. You still have a national brand. High School kids want 2 things in CFB:
1. they want to win
2. they want to be seen.

Very few players will list proximity to home as one of their top priorities. Its not like Alabama relies on 'Bama-only recruits. Win some big games and if your HC is a good recruiter, you will be fine.

 

[Tharvot]

Wisconsin >>> Nebraska

and Arkansas.

 

[BigRedMoe]

Our program is not in the best of positions at the moment....

 

[TexasExes98]

Perhaps Nebraska could beg the B1G to allow them to accept illiterate partial qualifiers again?

 

[HuskerinBig10]

What does population difference matter? Whether Ohio State is going to the east or west, they are going to get almost all the best recruits in Ohio no matter what.

Nebraska is going to have to step up their on the field play as well as their recruiting. You still have a national brand. High School kids want 2 things in CFB:
1. they want to win
2. they want to be seen.

Very few players will list proximity to home as one of their top priorities. Its not like Alabama relies on 'Bama-only recruits. Win some big games and if your HC is a good recruiter, you will be fine.

This is why population matters;

Why are California, Texas and Florida considered recruiting hotbeds? 80,000,000 people + the undocumented. let's add another 10,000,000 for that. 90,000,000

How come Hawaii, Wyoming, and Rhode Island are not recruiting hotbeds? 3,000,000 people + the undocumented. Add 300,000 for that. 3,300,000

90,000,000 >>> 3,300,000

Yes, a great coach will bring in recruits. But to say that population is not a factor in giving access to players is ridiculous.

There are reasons that the USC and Texas jobs and considered PRIME. There is a reason why Texas can flirt with every conference about joining that conference. It ain't because there are four people in it.

Most Texas players go to colleges in Texas.
Most Ohio players go to colleges in Ohio.
Most Florida players go to colleges in Florida.

Why a school in Texas, California, or Florida does not win the NC every year is because of coaching.

 

[occupant]

But to say that population is not a factor in giving access to players is ridiculous.

Aw shucks....we do alright I guess.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

Aw shucks....we do alright I guess.

Please. Oklahoma hitched their wagon to Texas. Oklahoma plays a game in Dallas EVERY year. Why? For access to the Texas recruits. Which is a smart move. Oklahoma recruits where the players are, and that is Texas. Great for Oklahoma.

I did a rough count, there are 45 players on Oklahoma from Texas. 28 players from Oklahoma. UT Norman.

When Oklahoma threatened to leave the Big 12 on September 4, 2011, Dodds and Powers flew up to Norman with bags of money to help soothe Oklahoma. Beebe didn't go. The boys from Texas went.



Joe Castiglione, Oklahoma AD, said the key to staying together is Texas. If the Longhorns declare their intention to stay with the Big 12, all 10 remaining members would likely stay, and Castiglione said the league could still flourish, both competitively and financially.

OU President Boren said Oklahoma had an invite to the SEC but did not want to leave behind long time rival Texas.

At least your administration is smart enough to realize that the State of Texas is Oklahoma's Golden Goose and has almost no plans to ruffle its feathers.

 

[KansasSooner]

OU was getting players from Florida and California as well as Texas. Hell, until AD the most coveted recruit OU got was from Mississippi. OU does get a lot from Texas but it isn't like they don't recruit other states. What ever happened to that Nebraska pipeline to NJ where Osborne used to get players?

 

[occupant]

But to say that population is not a factor in giving access to players is ridiculous.

It ain't what you got, it's what you do with it.

Please. Oklahoma hitched their wagon to Texas.

That fat ass cow PULLS our fucking wagon when we say so and don't you forget it. With all that money and all those recruits blah blah blah little old Oklahoma still taps that ass on the regular.

Oklahoma plays a game in Dallas EVERY year. Why? For access to the Texas recruits. Which is a smart move. Oklahoma recruits where the players are, and that is Texas. Great for Oklahoma.

Well, we are closer to Dallas than Austin is. You think them kids parents want to drive further to watch them play? We have many alumni in the area as well. Kinda makes sense. Great for us. Corndogs and hot Texas sluts giving ya dirty looks (you know they want it).

I did a rough count, there are 45 players on Oklahoma from Texas. 28 players from Oklahoma. UT Norman.

Well...mathematically Texas is like 20 times bigger than Oklahoma so ratio-wise I'd say we're doing ok. Norman is only 3 hours away from North Dallas area, can't blame the kids for wanting to play for a winner. I guess it would be more like UNT Norman or TCU Norman if you wanted to get down to technicalities.

When Oklahoma threatened to leave the Big 12 on September 4, 2011, Dodds and Powers flew up to Norman with bags of money to help soothe Oklahoma. Beebe didn't go. The boys from Texas went.

Tell me more!

Joe Castiglione, Oklahoma AD, said the key to staying together is Texas. If the Longhorns declare their intention to stay with the Big 12, all 10 remaining members would likely stay, and Castiglione said the league could still flourish, both competitively and financially.

Now here's where you don't know what you're talking about. OU could give a fuck about the rest of the BIG XII at that point. If Texas was going to diddle further with the stability of the conference we were ready to bolt. We had many suitors and anyone that says different is a moron. HERE is where JC threw down the gauntlet to Dodds, basically telling Texas to make their decision. The HS games on the LHN were the breaking point, he had enough. Texas knew at this point that they were THIS CLOSE to losing the only rivalry (worth having) they had left. I have a good friend in the Missouri AD dept and she told me THAT is when Mizzou put their contingency plan in motion. The BOR at Missouri got wind of the ultimatum and figured they needed to bolt while the SEC offer was still in play. It would have been retracted if we had decided to go. Missouri was the second choice and was only done to placate Arkansas.

OU President Boren said Oklahoma had an invite to the SEC but did not want to leave behind long time rival Texas.

The SEC and others. It is a mutually beneficial relationship. Did you know that OU and UT get $850,000 EACH for playing there every year?

At least your administration is smart enough to realize that the State of Texas is Oklahoma's Golden Goose and has almost no plans to ruffle its feathers.

So protecting our interests is somehow a dent in our dignity because of an imaginary line on maps?

 

[KansasSooner]

Boren said no to the SEC because he thinks OU doesn't fit in with SEC culturally.

 

[TexasExes98]

OU was getting players from Florida and California as well as Texas. Hell, until AD the most coveted recruit OU got was from Mississippi. OU does get a lot from Texas but it isn't like they don't recruit other states. What ever happened to that Nebraska pipeline to NJ where Osborne used to get players?

When the Big 12 was formed, Texas demanded the end of allowing NU to offer scholarships to the fast, athletic dumbasses who couldn't qualify for any other academic institution in the US b/c they could barely read (partial qualifiers). Once the academic standards were raised, that pretty much ended NU's football program, hence the reason Dr. Tom was firmly against raising the academic standard and against ending the offering of scholarships to partial qualifiers.....