Roster Percentages by Acquisition Method

[tc1]

Many people have been complaining about how Dallas didn't acquire more draft picks for Luka Doncic, which inspired me to update these numbers from a few years ago, and check to see if rosters are typically built any differently now. I first ran this analysis years ago, and a couple times since, and the slight trend is downward for draft picks.
Looking at current, post-Deadline rosters, players are lumped into four categories:

• First-round draft picks who have only played for the team that drafted them.
• Second-round draft picks who have only played for the team that drafted them.
• Undrafted free-agents who have only played for the team that signed them off the street.
• Everyone else ( trade and free-agent acquisitions )

Players on two-way contracts are not counted.

At present, NBA teams have:

• 3.27 players, on average, who they drafted in the first round.
• 1.00 players who they drafted in the second-round.
• 0.73 undrafted free agents who they first signed.
• 10.0 players who they either traded-for, or signed as veteran free-agents.

In other words, not a whole lot of roster construction relies on drafting players these days, and especially not on trading for such picks. Being skilled at evaluating professional talent is more important, on average. Trading for an undervalued veteran player is quite likely a wiser choice than being fixated on obtaining future picks, especially if they are not unprotected firsts from questionable franchises. Trading a few second-round picks for a quality veteran is almost a no-brainer.

Notes:

• Dallas is the only team in the league with 15 "everybody elses". No one on their roster was drafted by Dallas, or initially signed by them after remaining undrafted. Phoenix has 14 "everybody elses" and the Los Angeles Lakers have 13.
• Orlando has the most "home-grown" roster in the league, with only 6 players who have played elsewhere.
• Dallas and The Lakers ( after trading Knecht ) are currently the only teams with none of their own first-round round picks on their roster.
• Orlando and San Antonio have the most of their own first-round picks, with 7 each still rostered -- and they haven't won a single series in a combined 22 seasons.
• 40% of the league does not have any of their second-round picks on their team. No one has more than 3 ( Memphis and New Orleans ).
• Shockingly, Oklahoma City -- home of nearly every upcoming draft pick known to man -- has more undrafted FAs than anyone. 3.

Posting this now because I bothered to update the numbers to assuage my own curiosity, and also to clear the queue, because I am now being slowly banned from this site, one thread at a time, and will not be here to educate y'all much longer. Obviously discussing basketball is not allowed here, it is just a forum for sharing memes, insults, and inaccuracies. I misunderstood the point, but it is now clear, so I'll return you to your regularly-scheduled programming.

 

[msgkings322]

Many people have been complaining about how Dallas didn't acquire more draft picks for Luka Doncic, which inspired me to update these numbers from a few years ago, and check to see if rosters are typically built any differently now. I first ran this analysis years ago, and a couple times since, and the slight trend is downward for draft picks.
Looking at current, post-Deadline rosters, players are lumped into four categories:

• First-round draft picks who have only played for the team that drafted them.
• Second-round draft picks who have only played for the team that drafted them.
• Undrafted free-agents who have only played for the team that signed them off the street.
• Everyone else ( trade and free-agent acquisitions )

Players on two-way contracts are not counted.

At present, NBA teams have:

• 3.27 players, on average, who they drafted in the first round.
• 1.00 players who they drafted in the second-round.
• 0.73 undrafted free agents who they first signed.
• 10.0 players who they either traded-for, or signed as veteran free-agents.

In other words, not a whole lot of roster construction relies on drafting players these days, and especially not on trading for such picks. Being skilled at evaluating professional talent is more important, on average. Trading for an undervalued veteran player is quite likely a wiser choice than being fixated on obtaining future picks, especially if they are not unprotected firsts from questionable franchises. Trading a few second-round picks for a quality veteran is almost a no-brainer.

Notes:

• Dallas is the only team in the league with 15 "everybody elses". No one on their roster was drafted by Dallas, or initially signed by them after remaining undrafted. Phoenix has 14 "everybody elses" and the Los Angeles Lakers have 13.
• Orlando has the most "home-grown" roster in the league, with only 6 players who have played elsewhere.
• Dallas and The Lakers ( after trading Knecht ) are currently the only teams with none of their own first-round round picks on their roster.
• Orlando and San Antonio have the most of their own first-round picks, with 7 each still rostered -- and they haven't won a single series in a combined 22 seasons.
• 40% of the league does not have any of their second-round picks on their team. No one has more than 3 ( Memphis and New Orleans ).
• Shockingly, Oklahoma City -- home of nearly every upcoming draft pick known to man -- has more undrafted FAs than anyone. 3.

Posting this now because I bothered to update the numbers to assuage my own curiosity, and also to clear the queue, because I am now being slowly banned from this site, one thread at a time, and will not be here to educate y'all much longer. Obviously discussing basketball is not allowed here, it is just a forum for sharing memes, insults, and inaccuracies. I misunderstood the point, but it is now clear, so I'll return you to your regularly-scheduled programming.

Nice work, interesting

You can leave out the crying at the end though. You don't just 'talk basketball' and again, you either know this and are a troll or you don't and you're autistic. If you can't tone down the bullshit it's no surprise you are not super welcome here. I don't mind your crap, I ignore it. But this is supposed to be fun and you posting like a supercilious asshole is not fun for most. Figure it out, or don't, we'll be fine here either way.

 

[Shanemansj13]

"being fixated on obtaining future picks"

Teams are fixated on 1st round picks and picks in general bc they are not only used to draft players, they are used to acquire players and possibly stars. That is why you can never have enough picks...gives you more chances at drafting players that can make the roster or be a centerpiece but also used to acquire players.
Koby Altman flipped a late 1st, 2nd + role players in the Harden deal and acquired Jarrett Allen, for example.

 

[logic]

Many people have been complaining about how Dallas didn't acquire more draft picks for Luka Doncic, which inspired me to update these numbers from a few years ago, and check to see if rosters are typically built any differently now. I first ran this analysis years ago, and a couple times since, and the slight trend is downward for draft picks.
Looking at current, post-Deadline rosters, players are lumped into four categories:

• First-round draft picks who have only played for the team that drafted them.
• Second-round draft picks who have only played for the team that drafted them.
• Undrafted free-agents who have only played for the team that signed them off the street.
• Everyone else ( trade and free-agent acquisitions )

Players on two-way contracts are not counted.

At present, NBA teams have:

• 3.27 players, on average, who they drafted in the first round.
• 1.00 players who they drafted in the second-round.
• 0.73 undrafted free agents who they first signed.
• 10.0 players who they either traded-for, or signed as veteran free-agents.

In other words, not a whole lot of roster construction relies on drafting players these days, and especially not on trading for such picks. Being skilled at evaluating professional talent is more important, on average. Trading for an undervalued veteran player is quite likely a wiser choice than being fixated on obtaining future picks, especially if they are not unprotected firsts from questionable franchises. Trading a few second-round picks for a quality veteran is almost a no-brainer.

Notes:

• Dallas is the only team in the league with 15 "everybody elses". No one on their roster was drafted by Dallas, or initially signed by them after remaining undrafted. Phoenix has 14 "everybody elses" and the Los Angeles Lakers have 13.
• Orlando has the most "home-grown" roster in the league, with only 6 players who have played elsewhere.
• Dallas and The Lakers ( after trading Knecht ) are currently the only teams with none of their own first-round round picks on their roster.
• Orlando and San Antonio have the most of their own first-round picks, with 7 each still rostered -- and they haven't won a single series in a combined 22 seasons.
• 40% of the league does not have any of their second-round picks on their team. No one has more than 3 ( Memphis and New Orleans ).
• Shockingly, Oklahoma City -- home of nearly every upcoming draft pick known to man -- has more undrafted FAs than anyone. 3.

Posting this now because I bothered to update the numbers to assuage my own curiosity, and also to clear the queue, because I am now being slowly banned from this site, one thread at a time, and will not be here to educate y'all much longer. Obviously discussing basketball is not allowed here, it is just a forum for sharing memes, insults, and inaccuracies. I misunderstood the point, but it is now clear, so I'll return you to your regularly-scheduled programming.

I'd be interested to see this same breakdown for each: starters, rotation players, and bench players that rarely get minutes.

 

[tc1]

You can leave out the crying at the end though. You don't just 'talk basketball' and again...

I'm not crying, although I am a bit sad for you all. And find anywhere where I talked other than basketball, or was forced to address the poor behavior here.

You'll find none.

 

[msgkings322]

I'm not crying,

You absolutely are

although I am a bit sad for you all.

Thanks for your concern

And find anywhere where I talked other than basketball, or was forced to address the poor behavior here.

Not doing your work for you, either figure out what it is about your posting style that pisses people off, or don't. You're an adult (I presume), handle your shit.

You'll find none.

Your lies don't work here. Every bitchy comment about how dumb we all are and how smart you are is not 'talking basketball'

You may be doing an elaborate troll character but I'm starting to think you really are autistic, and simply don't understand how normal people talk sports in a fun way. Hope you figure it out as you clearly have plenty to add to the forum. Good luck.

 

[Shanemansj13]

You absolutely are

Thanks for your concern

Not doing your work for you, either figure out what it is about your posting style that pisses people off, or don't. You're an adult (I presume), handle your shit.

Your lies don't work here. Every bitchy comment about how dumb we all are and how smart you are is not 'talking basketball'

You may be doing an elaborate troll character but I'm starting to think you really are autistic, and simply don't understand how normal people talk sports in a fun way. Hope you figure it out as you clearly have plenty to add to the forum. Good luck.

His posting style is just a passive-aggressive way of phrasing things to make it seem like he is smarter than everyone when in actuality when someone proves him wrong he is just throwing a hissy fit. He seems pretty knowledgeable as far as basketball but unfortunately he can't have simple debates bc he is a "know-it-all" type.

 

[msgkings322]

His posting style is just a passive-aggressive way of phrasing things to make it seem like he is smarter than everyone when in actuality when someone proves him wrong he is just throwing a hissy fit. He seems pretty knowledgeable as far as basketball but unfortunately he can't have simple debates bc he is a "know-it-all" type.

Like I told him, hope he figures it out as he’s for sure a value added poster. His bullshit doesn’t bother me but I know it does others. He’s toned it down some as far as I can tell, he’s made many posts without any of that.

 

[tc1]

Not doing your work for you, either figure out what it is about your posting style that pisses people off, or don't.

I know precisely what it is about my posting style that infuriates people -- they do not like to have someone point out when they are wrong. Many people suffer this problem. Instead of being open to learning, they react with vitriol. This is why, for example, people prefer to exist in echo-chambers where everyone agrees with them, even when they are demonstrably wrong. There's not actually anything I can do to remedy this, here, nor with respect to humankind.

You may be doing an elaborate troll character but I'm starting to think you really are autistic, and simply don't understand how normal people talk sports in a fun way.

I understand exactly how normal people talk sports -- they spout whatever nonsense comes to mind, without doing their homework or applying much critical thought, and hope that if anyone calls them on it, they can insult and/or belittle them into silence. We've seen a couple hundred examples of this just since I showed up here.

I do not support that model of extremely ineffective "communication". It helps no one, and I came here to help.

Hope you figure it out as you clearly have plenty to add to the forum. Good luck.

And I'll be keeping that to myself now, since basketball is not actually a welcome topic here, and I'm not going to continue adding value to a forum that doesn't even honor its own rules.

 

[msgkings322]

I know precisely what it is about my posting style that infuriates people -- they do not like to have someone point out when they are wrong. Many people suffer this problem. Instead of being open to learning, they react with vitriol. This is why, for example, people prefer to exist in echo-chambers where everyone agrees with them, even when they are demonstrably wrong. There's not actually anything I can do to remedy this, here, nor with respect to humankind.


I understand exactly how normal people talk sports -- they spout whatever nonsense comes to mind, without doing their homework or applying much critical thought, and hope that if anyone calls them on it, they can insult and/or belittle them into silence. We've seen a couple hundred examples of this just since I showed up here.

I do not support that model of extremely ineffective "communication". It helps no one, and I came here to help.



And I'll be keeping that to myself now, since basketball is not actually a welcome topic here, and I'm not going to continue adding value to a forum that doesn't even honor its own rules.

K bye

You won’t be missed

 

[logic]

I know precisely what it is about my posting style that infuriates people -- they do not like to have someone point out when they are wrong. Many people suffer this problem. Instead of being open to learning, they react with vitriol. This is why, for example, people prefer to exist in echo-chambers where everyone agrees with them, even when they are demonstrably wrong. There's not actually anything I can do to remedy this, here, nor with respect to humankind.


I understand exactly how normal people talk sports -- they spout whatever nonsense comes to mind, without doing their homework or applying much critical thought, and hope that if anyone calls them on it, they can insult and/or belittle them into silence. We've seen a couple hundred examples of this just since I showed up here.

I do not support that model of extremely ineffective "communication". It helps no one, and I came here to help.



And I'll be keeping that to myself now, since basketball is not actually a welcome topic here, and I'm not going to continue adding value to a forum that doesn't even honor its own rules.

What a whimper of a flame out.
I am extraordinarily disappointed if this is truly the end.

 

[Mebert]

You guys are all fucking idiots and John Stockton is the assist king. Why can't you Neanderthal stupid bitches keep it to only basketball like me.