Rich Peverly collapses on Stars bench

[beantownmaniac]

Jesus that's scary. Pevs was one of my favorite players when he played for Boston and I still cheer for him. My thoughts are with him and his family. Take a little vacation big guy.

 

[SFNL]

Holy shit. Thats some scary stuff right there.

 

[Cobiemonster]

I had the game up on my second monitor while I was doing some work, so I didn't really see the shift leading up to it, all I saw was both benches jumping onto the ice to get the attention of the officials. And hearing Jody Shelley telling Rimer to shut up, and that there was a major emergency on the bench. When they finally zoomed in on the bench all you could see was the staff carrying someone off, combat style.

Scary stuff. Seems like Rich is okay, but I doubt he's ever going to play another game. Two events in the span of a week? No doctor will release him. And they shouldn't.



Well, in his defense he didn't just watch a teammate die on the bench.



By all accounts he was not among the living for a moment there.

Did he really tell him that?

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Glad he is doing okay now! Hockey players are a different breed. First thing he asked in the ambulance when he regained consciousness, what period are we in and that he wanted to back onto the ice.

 

[forty_three]

Did he really tell him that?

Not in so many words, but he kept saying "GUYS! GUYS! HEY, LISTEN!"

 

[pixburgher66]

I watched the video and it brought back some bad memories, but honest to God, that's my worst nightmare situation as an ATC. I'm so damn proud of the ATCs there who responded brilliantly to the situation. "We" often get overlooked in these situations, but who cares, they did their job, the man is alive. Unfortunately when looking over his history that is available, it sounds like there's a potential retirement in the making. The timeline I see is: diagnosed with A-Fib in the preseason, had a cauterization surgery (fairly sure that was it) in the fall to fix the arhythmia, had "weird feelings" in the past few weeks, was monitoring his heart, etc., then has cessation of heart rate last night. I know in a non-athlete, the next step if the issue continues is putting in an internal defibrillator. We had an athlete at my undergrad that had this, played baseball, but after being shocked a few times while playing basketball/working out, he was basically told it was time to retire. I hope there's another method that he can keep playing, but life>>>>>>hockey.

 

[forty_three]

I watched the video and it brought back some bad memories, but honest to God, that's my worst nightmare situation as an ATC. I'm so damn proud of the ATCs there who responded brilliantly to the situation. "We" often get overlooked in these situations, but who cares, they did their job, the man is alive. Unfortunately when looking over his history that is available, it sounds like there's a potential retirement in the making. The timeline I see is: diagnosed with A-Fib in the preseason, had a cauterization surgery (fairly sure that was it) in the fall to fix the arhythmia, had "weird feelings" in the past few weeks, was monitoring his heart, etc., then has cessation of heart rate last night. I know in a non-athlete, the next step if the issue continues is putting in an internal defibrillator. We had an athlete at my undergrad that had this, played baseball, but after being shocked a few times while playing basketball/working out, he was basically told it was time to retire. I hope there's another method that he can keep playing, but life>>>>>>hockey.

I don't think that's the case here at all. I think both training staffs are being viewed as heroes. The doc didn't get there until after chest compressions and defib were started. Jackets and Stars staff were right on top of it and got him to where the box was in seconds.

The reporting is saying "doctors" because that's a word laymen understand. The training staff(s) are who saved his life.

 

[pixburgher66]

I don't think that's the case here at all. I think both training staffs are being viewed as heroes. The doc didn't get there until after chest compressions and defib were started. Jackets and Stars staff were right on top of it and got him to where the box was in seconds.

The reporting is saying "doctors" because that's a word laymen understand. The training staff(s) are who saved his life.

I know, but until the term "athletic trainer(s)" is used in a laymen setting (that's oddly worded), it won't become common knowledge what an AT does. My twitter feed was "good job Paramedics/EMTs", and I had to click out in an attempt to not obnoxiously correct that person, because although I know it's not the point, it bugs me. The biggest struggle in my profession is a lack of understanding, and indirectly then respect, because of that. Sorry if I'm up on my high horse about it, but it's National Athletic Trainers Month, and we're all up on our soapbox trying to get recognition. These moments are when the profession gets to shine, and they did. Another friendly plug here: IF ANY OF YOU COACH PLEASE GET CPR/AED CERTIFIED. Especially considering there AREN'T ATs everywhere that there probably should be. Know where the AED in your building is located, and make sure that all coaches in your league know where it is and how to use it (hint: most AEDs today are completely dummy proof...they literally tell you everything to do step by step). Simple things save lives. So, I apologize that I tend to obnoxiously flaunt my profession (not that I think you were accusing, but I know that I do this ), but it's sort of important to my profession that I do so.

 

[dare2be]

I know, but until the term "athletic trainer(s)" is used in a laymen setting (that's oddly worded), it won't become common knowledge what an AT does. My twitter feed was "good job Paramedics/EMTs", and I had to click out in an attempt to not obnoxiously correct that person, because although I know it's not the point, it bugs me. The biggest struggle in my profession is a lack of understanding, and indirectly then respect, because of that. Sorry if I'm up on my high horse about it, but it's National Athletic Trainers Month, and we're all up on our soapbox trying to get recognition. These moments are when the profession gets to shine, and they did. Another friendly plug here: IF ANY OF YOU COACH PLEASE GET CPR/AED CERTIFIED. Especially considering there AREN'T ATs everywhere that there probably should be. Know where the AED in your building is located, and make sure that all coaches in your league know where it is and how to use it (hint: most AEDs today are completely dummy proof...they literally tell you everything to do step by step). Simple things save lives. So, I apologize that I tend to obnoxiously flaunt my profession (not that I think you were accusing, but I know that I do this ), but it's sort of important to my profession that I do so.

Wait, I thought it was Women's History Month?

Great info, Pix. I will admit that I just thought of ATs as just glorified personal workout trainers/nutritionists. My eyes have been opened.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

Pix with regard to the getting CPR/aed training for coaches, what are the rules regarding consent to treat a minor? I know there are Good Samaritan laws and such but I am just wondering what the rules are regarding a minor. I was certified for both CPR and aed but my certification has expired. I need to get that done again because you never know when it could save a life.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Lebrun in the cesspool talking about Jiri Fischer

story: NHL -- Rich Peverley incident brings back harsh memories for Detroit Red Wings' Jiri Fischer - ESPN

"It's a whole different ballgame when it comes to how it affects the people in your life," said Fischer, who also has a 12-year-old son. "My fiancée, who then became my wife, she's my ex-wife now, she never got over my cardiac arrest. I believe I did. But when people love us, meaning survivors, it's different sometimes.

"My dad woke up in the middle of the night in the Czech Republic to watch my game on the Internet. He found out that I died and was brought back to life. He was my biggest fan, watched every game."

Fischer said the Red Wings flew his parents to Detroit ("The organization was unbelievable") and that he'll never forget the look on his parents' face.

"When I saw my parents look at me for the first time after my cardiac arrest, it was a different look," he said. "They had never looked at me like that before. It was a look of complete panic, complete hopelessness, but also very thankful that I survived."

There is raw emotion in Fisher's voice, even today. Peverley's scary incident Monday night clearly has rekindled some of that.

"I really hope that Rich is going to be OK and he's going to be OK to resume life without any medical consequences," said Fischer. "Hopefully, Rich will be OK and will be able to carry on with his life."

 

[sherbert1421]

Instantly reminded me of the Fischer incident.

Honestly I don't think peverly plays another game

 

[pixburgher66]

Wait, I thought it was Women's History Month?

Great info, Pix. I will admit that I just thought of ATs as just glorified personal workout trainers/nutritionists. My eyes have been opened.

*hallelujah chorus sung by angels*

Never...ever...ever tell an AT you think they're a personal trainer. Oh dear lord it's the biggest slap in the face. To be an ATC you must graduate from a 4 year accredited program and pass the board of certification exam. I assure you it's not easy. We're trained in prevention, diagnosis, and treatment of injuries. We do rehab, life saving care, bracing/taping, nutrition, emotional distress care, etc. The more you know *rainbow*

Pix with regard to the getting CPR/aed training for coaches, what are the rules regarding consent to treat a minor? I know there are Good Samaritan laws and such but I am just wondering what the rules are regarding a minor. I was certified for both CPR and aed but my certification has expired. I need to get that done again because you never know when it could save a life.

Please get it recertified, because 1) they've changed some things (more compressions, fewer breaths generally) and 2) if someone does go down, and you provide care, you can be held liable in that instance. In regard to the law, if the person you are treating is unconscious there's something known as "implied consent", where it is assumed that the unconscious person would allow life saving care. However, that only applies to 18+, minors are a bit more tenuous. If a parent is present in that situation, consent must be given. In my case, if I were working as an ATC at a HS, I would have parents sign a waiver allowing me to treat their child within reason of whats expected in my profession. So, something that should be considered for leagues is alerting all parents that coaches are being CPR certified, and asking that they sign a waiver allowing for a coach to intervene in the case of cardiac emergency. If a parent is NOT present, that is where Good Samaritan laws jump in. Once again: this will protect you in the case that you are certified and acting on that certification. If you aren't certified and act, that's misfeasence (I think that's the term), and you're screwed if people pursue action.

 

[dare2be]

Never...ever...ever tell an AT you think they're a personal trainer. Oh dear lord it's the biggest slap in the face.

hey, well, I did at least say "glorified"

Hallelujah!

/so, basically, you're a doctor without the title, respect or money?

 

[pixburgher66]

hey, well, I did at least say "glorified"

Hallelujah!

/so, basically, you're a doctor without the title, respect or money?

Well, if you ask an ATC, they'd probably say yes. We have a working knowledge of a LOT of aspects of medicine. Obviously our expertise is in orthopedics, but I have a PES (Performance Enhancement Specialist) certification, meaning I can develop an NASM (National Academy of Sports Medicine) training protocol, which is sadly more than some of the Personal Trainers employed by some gyms have. I respect personal trainers who are actually trained, but a lot are meat heads. Heck, look at CrossFit, it doesn't take a lot to become a "teacher" in that, when it's EXTREMELY advanced training that is NOT for everyone. Anyway, clearly I digress. ATCs do a little bit of everything.
AthleticTrainers.org - National Athletic Trainers? Association

Once again *the more you know rainbow*

Also, in Canada there are no athletic trainers, however there are athletic therapists (which is a better term in my opinion, but we're not changing for fear of more confusion), who do the same thing. In fact I did some research in case I wanted to move there, ATCs in the US can take the athletic therapist exam and vise versa.

 

[davnlaguna]

*hallelujah chorus sung by angels*

Never...ever...ever tell an AT you think they're a personal trainer. Oh dear lord it's the biggest slap in the face. To be an ATC you must graduate from a 4 year accredited program and pass the board of certification exam. I assure you it's not easy. We're trained in prevention, diagnosis, and treatment of injuries. We do rehab, life saving care, bracing/taping, nutrition, emotional distress care, etc. The more you know *rainbow*



Please get it recertified, because 1) they've changed some things (more compressions, fewer breaths generally) and 2) if someone does go down, and you provide care, you can be held liable in that instance. In regard to the law, if the person you are treating is unconscious there's something known as "implied consent", where it is assumed that the unconscious person would allow life saving care. However, that only applies to 18+, minors are a bit more tenuous. If a parent is present in that situation, consent must be given. In my case, if I were working as an ATC at a HS, I would have parents sign a waiver allowing me to treat their child within reason of whats expected in my profession. So, something that should be considered for leagues is alerting all parents that coaches are being CPR certified, and asking that they sign a waiver allowing for a coach to intervene in the case of cardiac emergency. If a parent is NOT present, that is where Good Samaritan laws jump in. Once again: this will protect you in the case that you are certified and acting on that certification. If you aren't certified and act, that's misfeasence (I think that's the term), and you're screwed if people pursue action.

In California you don't have to be certified to help but you could be screwed either way if you do

The law provides that "no person who in good faith, and not for compensation, renders emergency care at the scene of an emergency shall be liable for any civil damages resulting from any act or omission."

However people still sue and win if you render aide or dont and something goes wrong, There is a recent case here in which a nurse, who was CPR certified refused to help a patient because it was against company policy. The patient died and the company stood by the policy. To perform CPR or not? Woman's death raises questions - CNN.com
I get certified every year, and I will take whatever penalty comes my way. I don't think I could live with myself if I didn't try to help. Fortunately I have no money so it would be a waste of time to sue me and my company keeps a list of all first aide & CPR certified people and calls us if something happens (mostly slip trips and falls) and they told us they can't pay us extra to be on the team or we lose our protection under the Good Sam law. We also were trained on the AED (automated external defibrillators) but no one has actually used one. My work is 20 minutes from the nearest traffic light/fire station and there is only one road in or out that gets closed all the time due to accidents or rock slides so having people able to render first aide is essential.

 

[pixburgher66]

In California you don't have to be certified to help but you could be screwed either way if you do

The law provides that "no person who in good faith, and not for compensation, renders emergency care at the scene of an emergency shall be liable for any civil damages resulting from any act or omission."

However people still sue and win if you render aide or dont and something goes wrong, There is a recent case here in which a nurse, who was CPR certified refused to help a patient because it was against company policy. The patient died and the company stood by the policy. To perform CPR or not? Woman's death raises questions - CNN.com
I get certified every year, and I will take whatever penalty comes my way. I don't think I could live with myself if I didn't try to help. Fortunately I have no money so it would be a waste of time to sue me and my company keeps a list of all first aide & CPR certified people and calls us if something happens (mostly slip trips and falls) and they told us they can't pay us extra to be on the team or we lose our protection under the Good Sam law. We also were trained on the AED (automated external defibrillators) but no one has actually used one. My work is 20 minutes from the nearest traffic light/fire station and there is only one road in or out that gets closed all the time due to accidents or rock slides so having people able to render first aide is essential.

Something that I have personally come to terms with lately: if they want to sue you, they will sue you. It's a very, very sad truth that we live in a screwed up society in which everyone wants financial retribution. We've been going over legal issues lately, and you read some of these case studies (in which athletic trainers were sued) and just roll your eyes. Example: an athlete had a lateral ankle sprain, and it was being treated with an ice immersion bucket in the clinic. The AT (student, btw...which actually isn't okay) told said athlete to do an ice bucket again at home. The athlete SLEPT WITH HIS FOOT IN THE BUCKET. SO, he lost his toes to gangrene, sued the AT, MD, school for financial losses because he thought he'd play in the NBA (went to like SW Utah St. or something). I've basically come to terms with the fact that it's very likely someone may try to sue me one day, but it'd never, ever stop me from providing care. Ever see The Incredibles? Remember the ridiculous case they parodied in which the guy sued Mr. Incredible for stopping him from committing suicide? Stupid lawyers. *Patiently awaits for our resident lawyer to show up*

 

[mooger_35]

 

[KillerVee]

Have you ever woke up with a leg cramp? I get briefly paralyzed.

 

[dare2be]

Toe cramps are the worst.