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[countryroads316]

I know what he is thinking to himself shaking Scherffs hand (You may have just saved my career) lol

 

[kbso83432]

No more excuses. I was one of the few that felt we should build.up everything else and wait to see if RG can revive his career in the meantime. That was last year. This.is it for me. A franchise qb, should be able to perform with guys like Jackson, Garçon, Reed, and Roberts to throw the ball to, Morris behind him, and Trent and Brandon on the edges. No more excuses from me and I pray, no more finger pointing from him. Talk small, play big? Nah, more like play big or gtfoh.

 

[martinez]

Matt cavanaugh should help too

 

[SoCalWizFan]

No more excuses. I was one of the few that felt we should build.up everything else and wait to see if RG can revive his career in the meantime. That was last year. This.is it for me. A franchise qb, should be able to perform with guys like Jackson, Garçon, Reed, and Roberts to throw the ball to, Morris behind him, and Trent and Brandon on the edges. No more excuses from me and I pray, no more finger pointing from him. Talk small, play big? Nah, more like play big or gtfoh.

Agree. The beauty of this is that if RG3 fails this team will still be in pretty good shape & can still achieve their overall goal by filling many less holes next offseason (including perhaps QB).

I would add that this is also likely "put up or shut up" time for Roberts & Reed. Roberts was terrible in the 2nd half of last season & will be expendable unless he turns things around for the entire season. Reed is a great talent, but that doesn't mean much when you are constantly getting hurt. He has missed about 1/3 of his games in his two years & is generally a question mark from week to week. He has to stay healthy to be considered a part of their long term plans.

Otherwise - spot on & I think most would agree that whoever is playing QB for the Redskins right now has a number of tools - including a decent defense - that should allow then to be relatively successful. This is still a work in progress but heading in the right direction.

 

[kbso83432]

I found it very interesting that most, if not all Skins experts had us taking a QB, and a TE. I think if both can stay healthy, they will be alright, more than alright. You didn't want to waste a pick on a QB, and have RG return to form.

Now, if RG struggles, at least you have a pair of bookend tackles, a solid back up running back, an edge rusher to compliment Murphy. I like what Scot did.

Sure, RG has some bad tape out there, but he has a ton of good tape too. Sure, Reed gets hurt a lot, but then he has games like the one he did in Dallas. All we really need is a blocking TE. With you on Roberts. Boy did he drop everything after about week 5 or 6. I hope Grant and/or Crowder can push him.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I found it very interesting that most, if not all Skins experts had us taking a QB, and a TE. I think if both can stay healthy, they will be alright, more than alright. You didn't want to waste a pick on a QB, and have RG return to form.

Now, if RG struggles, at least you have a pair of bookend tackles, a solid back up running back, an edge rusher to compliment Murphy. I like what Scot did.

Sure, RG has some bad tape out there, but he has a ton of good tape too. Sure, Reed gets hurt a lot, but then he has games like the one he did in Dallas. All we really need is a blocking TE. With you on Roberts. Boy did he drop everything after about week 5 or 6. I hope Grant and/or Crowder can push him.

Yep. This is where I believe that SM has a major advantage over previous regimes. In the past the Redskins may have actually drafted for a position like QB under the false assumption that they can fix everything right away. The current regime always appears to operate under the assumption that this team can always fix remaining holes in the next few years & always appears to have a calm, well thought out plan about rebuilding this team for the future - not just for next season.

 

[kbso83432]

Yep. This is where I believe that SM has a major advantage over previous regimes. In the past the Redskins may have actually drafted for a position like QB under the false assumption that they can fix everything right away. The current regime always appears to operate under the assumption that this team can always fix remaining holes in the next few years & always appears to have a calm, well thought out plan about rebuilding this team for the future - not just for next season.

Yes, and he appears committed to building from the line of scrimmage on out. Biggest FA, dline. Biggest draft pick, oline.

 

[skinz2winz]

I must be missing something here...RGIII & ALMO made our season in 2012. We found a way on defense for 7 games and won the NFCE. Now we have added Schreff and this is Griffin's last chance? C'mon guys, we have 2, count them, 2 viable offensive linemen in TW & now Schreff. Lavaou, Lichtensteiger & Chester are merely back ups and quite frankly, are not very good. We need more help up front and 2 viable TE's, not 1 in the always injured Reed.

I'm one that thinks we have a Loooonnnnggggg way to go before saying this is Griffin's last shot at success. We need additional pieces up front and don't tell me a 4th rounder, a 7th rounder and UDFA are going to solve our issues this year along the OL. If Griffin was as bad as some say or think, he wouldn't have been extended.

I'm glad McCloughan is on board and I trust he see's the big picture and this is just a start to something improved. Now, for those previous idiots who made signings like the Riley, Jr or Roberts signing should be fired!

 

[skinsdad62]

Rg3 is tavaris jackson at this point , sorry but he is . can he improve ? yes , is it his last chance ? no he has an extra year

 

[skinz2winz]

Rg3 is tavaris jackson at this point , sorry but he is . can he improve ? yes , is it his last chance ? no he has an extra year

Dad, Dad, Dad... While you and I have been on the same page the past few season with RGIII, this statement is so far from the truth and should be withdrawn by you. What has TJ done in his career with any team? Let me answer that for you, nothing. Griffin has the ability, tools, high ceiling and work ethic to help this team win. A few more good pieces on the OL and we could have playoff team in the making but, to call him TJ is ridiculous man.

 

[Lonewate44]

Dad, Dad, Dad... While you and I have been on the same page the past few season with RGIII, this statement is so far from the truth and should be withdrawn by you. What has TJ done in his career with any team? Let me answer that for you, nothing. Griffin has the ability, tools, high ceiling and work ethic to help this team win. A few more good pieces on the OL and we could have playoff team in the making but, to call him TJ is ridiculous man.

DAD....I have to agree with him here.....Griffin did more in his rookie year then TJ did in his entire terrible carrer...I know....that was years ago and in the past...however...when comparring bodies of work TJS and RG's.....Not even close...Sure right now, the way he plays certainly resembles his I guess...but RG is far superior in his crappy play, then TJ ever was on his BEST day

 

[skinsdad62]

Dad, Dad, Dad... While you and I have been on the same page the past few season with RGIII, this statement is so far from the truth and should be withdrawn by you. What has TJ done in his career with any team? Let me answer that for you, nothing. Griffin has the ability, tools, high ceiling and work ethic to help this team win. A few more good pieces on the OL and we could have playoff team in the making but, to call him TJ is ridiculous man.

skinsz that is my point . what has RG3 done the last 2 years but regressed ? he cant read basic defenses , he holds the ball too long despite looking at an open wr . his mechanics are awful ,

hey Rg3 does work out well but he needs to get in a film room and learn his craft . he is acting like a diva and his level of play is that of tavaris jackson

it isnt foolish look at the film and he plays qb at a HS level

and so far he hasnt been coachable

now i hope i am wrong because it helps our team if he becomes a star but so far he has been a spoiled diva who half asses his job in the film room and doesnt trust the offense or the players around him

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I must be missing something here...RGIII & ALMO made our season in 2012. We found a way on defense for 7 games and won the NFCE. Now we have added Schreff and this is Griffin's last chance? C'mon guys, we have 2, count them, 2 viable offensive linemen in TW & now Schreff. Lavaou, Lichtensteiger & Chester are merely back ups and quite frankly, are not very good. We need more help up front and 2 viable TE's, not 1 in the always injured Reed.

I'm one that thinks we have a Loooonnnnggggg way to go before saying this is Griffin's last shot at success. We need additional pieces up front and don't tell me a 4th rounder, a 7th rounder and UDFA are going to solve our issues this year along the OL. If Griffin was as bad as some say or think, he wouldn't have been extended.

I'm glad McCloughan is on board and I trust he see's the big picture and this is just a start to something improved. Now, for those previous idiots who made signings like the Riley, Jr or Roberts signing should be fired!

Again - just about all great lines are not built strictly with 1st & 2nd rounders. Also - a line operates as a unit & other players have a tendency to upgrade their play when even one very good player is added to the mix. I fully expect something like this to occur in this situation (not to mention some of the picks from this year or last might step up).

Add Callahan into the mix & there should be a significant upgrade not to mention the fact that a stronger defense should benefit the offense. Nobody is stating the the offensive line nor the offense will be elite. However - it should be improved & you can only give RG3 so many chances. I am a bigger fan of his than most, but you can't give him unlimited chances. I see no issue whatsoever in making this a make or break year for RG3.

 

[skinsdad62]

The philosophical change occurred long before the draft, even before the Redskins announced Robert Griffin III as the starting quarterback in February. The changes made suggested the Redskins knew they had to give their quarterback -- regardless of which one it was -- more help.

In some cases, it came in the form of new coaches Bill Callahan (offensive line) and Matt Cavanaugh (quarterbacks).

And the change continued into the draft. The Redskins had a chance to select the sexy defensive name: Leonard Williams, but they passed him to grab the best offensive lineman, Brandon Scherff.

All of which should please Griffin. While his issues have been well-documented -- he does play the most important position, and his drop-off from 2012 has led to intense scrutiny -- it's too simplistic to lay all the blame on him. In games he hasn't started over the past two seasons, the Redskins are 2-9. They've had deeper issues than quarterback.

But the draft solidified the Redskins' commitment to the ground game. That, in turn, can help Griffin. For as much as the Redskins need to improve protection, they had to become a stronger running team. Alfred Morris' statistics have been fine the past two years, but the running game also has been inconsistent.

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The Redskins ranked 16th on first-down runs at 3.98 yards per carry. In the second half of games, they ranked 22nd in this category at 3.7 yards per carry, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Add it up and it places the passing game in a tougher spot. And when you have a quarterback still finding his way in the pocket, it makes it even tougher.

By the way, two years ago the Redskins ranked second on first-down carries at 5.13 yards.

The Redskins not only drafted Scherff, but they added a big back (Matt Jones), a shifty receiver (Jamison Crowder) and a strong drive blocker (Arie Kouandjio). I don't know how much Jones will help -- he did not break a lot of tackles at Florida, so he'll still need to prove himself in short-yardage situations. Scherff and a stronger push up front will make a bigger difference; Kouandjio's impact, if he has one, likely will come in future years. But Crowder can help with his ability to make defenders miss, turning quick, short throws into solid gains (not to mention better field position off punt returns). Again, another benefit for Griffin.

All of this would have been done -- needed to be done -- no matter who played quarterback. This is not a case in which the Redskins drafted these players for Griffin's sake. If Griffin exits after this season, these players will help whoever's next.

Regardless, the Redskins needed to reduce the burden on Griffin and the rest of their quarterbacks. When Griffin is faced with third-and-8 or longer in his career, he has a 75.2 passer rating. When it's third-and-manageable (between 4 to 7 yards), Griffin has a 105.6 passer rating with 58 first downs on 72 completions -- and more importantly, only six sacks. He's lost some explosiveness because of injuries; extra time is needed as teams also blitz him more, making it harder to escape.

If Scherff improves the protection, that, too, is good news for Griffin. Yes, he holds the ball too long and has his own issues aside from protection, including his fundamentals and decision making on the run. There's a reason the coaches, at times, harped more on what he did or didn't do than with what the line was doing. But you can't deny that he would be helped by more time. The Redskins wanted him to develop in the pocket, but the protection did not always give him what he needed.

So here it is: When he gets 2.4 seconds or more to throw on third-and-manageable, he has a 129.1 career passer rating (29 completions in 40 attempts).

When it's third-and-5 or shorter, Griffin has a 91.2 career passer rating. (For what it's worth, his rating on any down when given 2.5 seconds or more to throw is a pedestrian 83.0.)

Everything isn't going to click just because they drafted Scherff. Rather, it's about evolving realities, seeing players for who they are and what they can do (and can't do). Griffin won't consistently drop back and pick apart defenses at this stage. But he can execute play-action passes, which are more dangerous with a productive ground game. As a rookie (with a potent ground game), Griffin averaged 12.49 yards on play-action pass attempts. With his own sporadic play coupled with an inconsistent ground game, he's averaged only 8.2 yards per attempt the past two seasons combined. He must improve his downfield accuracy (19-for-68 the last two years on passes that travel 20 yards or more in the air, compared to 16-of-35 as a rookie).

One last telling stat: Of the 14 games in which he posted a 100 passer rating or better, nine occurred when he attempted fewer than 30 passes. Game situations often dictate that number, but so, too, can a run game (not to mention better defense) that removes the need to throw.

The Redskins entered the offseason knowing one way to help Griffin's game was to attack the roster. They've started that process. Three years ago, Griffin was the identity, the engine that drove the offense. Now he could be helped because he's not.


a lot falls on RG3 . sure he has had bad breaks but his attitude is killing him more then any one single thing . truth is he has been coddled , catered too and his film study is an insult . this is why i am pissed at hime because i expected more from what he can control . instead we have a finger pointing excuse making diva who needs to grow up

 

[kbso83432]

Other QB'S are doing more with less, and for a qb, that was drafted 2nd overall, everything shouldn't need to be perfect. This is his last chance to prove himself. Another year like the last two and there is no way the Skins keep him and pay him 16 mil, or sign him long term. This is it. He doesn't have to be all-pro, but it can't be what we've seen the last two years either.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

@skinsdad62

You know what made me laugh in that article when I read it? The use of the word 'sexy' pick!

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I do wish we drafted another TE. One that wasn't a joker...one that could actually BLOCK.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I do wish we drafted another TE. One that wasn't a joker...one that could actually BLOCK.

Got an UDFA who could compete at the TE spot. Don't know much about him at this point tho.

 

[redskinsfan]

Got an UDFA who could compete at the TE spot. Don't know much about him at this point tho.

You do realize that Fred Davis got reinstated by the league today, right?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

You do realize that Fred Davis got reinstated by the league today, right?

I made a post about it in the OT thread. And before you say it...