Redskins and RG3 are both in a no win situation

[Mitziman]

What if in 2015 if RG3 miraculously becomes a great pocket passer, good at reading defenses and displays terrific foot work? Do the Skins sign him to a new contract? Does RG3 sign a new deal with the team that made him their golden child, then broke him down to what he is today?

IMO it's a no win situation for both parties. Time to move on. I don't think Griff will ever be the QB he was in 2012, how can he? He's a complete wreck mentally and one good hit away on either knee from being a cripple at 50. You simply cannot play in the NFL with hesitation. It's time for the Redskins to look to the future, and it's time for RGIII to just walk away.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I see nothing to lose in having this year be his make or break season for us. Even if we don't pick up his option, the team can still negotiate a lower contract with him, not that he would be willing to do that. Just that options do exist before the team needs to cut ties.

Also if for some reason, we do pick up MM, there could be trade pArtners in the works. So many possible things could happen at this point. We are just going to have to wait and see what McLovin is going to do.

 

[Mitziman]

I see nothing to lose in having this year be his make or break season for us. Even if we don't pick up his option, the team can still negotiate a lower contract with him, not that he would be willing to do that. Just that options do exist before the team needs to cut ties.

Also if for some reason, we do pick up MM, there could be trade pArtners in the works. So many possible things could happen at this point. We are just going to have to wait and see what McLovin is going to do.

Well, for all the praise Robert gives to his maker...it clearly will take a miracle to get his career back on track. As Al Micheals once famously said..."Do you believe in miracles?" I do, but not in this situation.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Well, for all the praise Robert gives to his maker...it clearly will take a miracle to get his career back on track. As Al Micheals once famously said..."Do you believe in miracles?" I do, but not in this situation.

Things quickly change in the NFL. I've still got hope that Griffin can make something out of the circus this has been. May not happen but I still have hope.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Man, I hate to say this but I'm not sure the media enjoys the fact that this guy is still relevant off the field.
He's always smiling, he has various endorsements, he's with celebrities, fans love him...he's a young family man.
For whatever reason, Robert is suppose to be miserable and unhappy because he hasn't contributed to the 2012 success. Its true the QB takes all the glory and the fall. We have sucked before he got here, and this kind of reminds me of Brad Johnson. He has this great year, he's doing McDonald commerials, winning the division, the city is going crazy, and then somehow the next year, i can't remember if he gets injured or what...but Dan "the Devil" Synder replaces Brad with Jeff George.

Hey Robert, best wishes to you on your next team, succeeding with a run heavy, Play action heavy, 1-read offense.

 

[Mitziman]

Watching Griffin play QB today, is like watching Tiger Woods tee it up in a PGA tournament. Sad to watch how fast you can lose it, but it happens. Maybe the NFL, and PGA could allow use of PED's so both Robert and Eldrick can put their Superman capes back on? Or, maybe not.

 

[j_y19]

Mitz, I get what you are saying, but if griffin somehow turns it around, this city and fan base will fall in love with him all over again. The skins will have options. First, the could sign him to a longer term deal. Second, the could franchise tag him. That buys them another year, albeit expensively, but over the course of two years, if he is successful, dan will continue to woo him and a lot of the current pain will be forgotten.

Having said this, I just don't see him turning it around in the course of the next year. He has so far to come. He really is not a good pocket QB. And a major injury is always a real possibility. If I were Scot, I would really see what I could get for him right now in a trade. I just see his value decline before it goes back up, if it ever does. We might be surprised on what some desperate team might give for him right now.

 

[Mitziman]

Mitz, I get what you are saying, but if griffin somehow turns it around, this city and fan base will fall in love with him all over again. The skins will have options. First, the could sign him to a longer term deal. Second, the could franchise tag him. That buys them another year, albeit expensively, but over the course of two years, if he is successful, dan will continue to woo him and a lot of the current pain will be forgotten.

Having said this, I just don't see him turning it around in the course of the next year. He has so far to come. He really is not a good pocket QB. And a major injury is always a real possibility. If I were Scot, I would really see what I could get for him right now in a trade. I just see his value decline before it goes back up, if it ever does. We might be surprised on what some desperate team might give for him right now.

I have a lot of respect for the young man, for who he is. The season Robert had in 2012 will be one I'll remember as one of the greatest in Redskins history. But the problem is, he's not the same player. And the reality is, he's not a very good NFL QB. RGIII's incredible athleticism carried him through that season and concealed a lot of very bad flaws. Once injured and major surgery was required, everything changed.

He doesn't read defenses well. He has terrible mechanics. And he now plays the game with indecision. The last being the killer.

 

[deanpet21]

If Cle was willing to give up a 1st rounder for Bradford, why wouldn't they trade for RG3? Believe it or not Bradford is in worst shape physically than RG3. Rg3 is younger and can energize a fan base. Cleveland is so desperate I thought they would of gave us an offer. This is if they lose out on MM.

The three teams that will trade up for MM are Jets, Rams, and Cle. You can add the Eagles in there but it will cost them Bradford and three 1st round picks. If you were the Titans would you do that? I would.

 

[skinsdad62]

RG3 can turn it around by simply screwing on his head straight . everything wrong with him is fixable over time .
what needs to happen is we need to stop coddling him and say these plays we think will make you successful and he needs to run them . no more diva bullshit

 

[Stymietee]

Why is the question of RGIII being discussed as an either/or with respect to his future? There is another alternative to this saga. So let's sum up before taking a look at what that alternative might look like. In 2012 the team used the Baylor offense to great success albeit at great cost to their QB's health. Why? Well primarily because the shooting star masked glaring weaknesses at other positions. Not willing to pay the price for continued success in that system the QB railed and the acrimony began. He being unwilling to recognize his limitations in the pocket and the team unwilling to bolster their roster and/or give him time to relearn. The results turned into 3-13 and 4-12 seasons respectively and the injuries mounted. Truth is, the team never really needed the RGIII of 2012, nor the one that soured on that notion in subsequent seasons. What they lacked was a history major, someone who constantly reminded them that with very few exceptions, QB's only go as far as their supporting cast takes them.
Be it luck, desperation, or being in the right place at the right time, somehow Dan Snyder got wind of this and fortunately for a fan base shouting at the rooftops for normalcy in NFL terms, he's hired GM, OL coach, and QB's coach.....all major players to the success of an NFL QB.

Hey, bu....but, what about Griffin? Well, his job if all others do theirs, will be exponentially much easier to do. He doesn't have to be the 2012 model, nor the weakened models of the past two seasons. What this team forgot is that which made them once powerful, limit the opportunities for the QB to HAVE to make plays and manage the team in easily makable down and distant situations. Make his ability to use his legs a bonus not a necessity. Of course, he will need to do his part and work with his QB's coach just to be adequate,and not worry about being spectacular. There have been 49 Superbowls won, most of them with good game managers at the helm, 3 of them right here in DC.

 

[martinez]

any good our qbs do from now on is a pleasant surprise to me.

 

[chillerdab]

I think it's entirely too early to give up on RG3, despite his immaturity, and obvious lack of experience throwing from and staying in a pocket.

I don't think that this necessarily predicates avoiding Marcus Mariotta, but I don't know how you pick him at 5, while you aren't even sure what you have with RG3 or Cousins. That seems like a disastrous move.

I also don't know why you'd pick essentially the same qb as the one who didn't work out before: spread offense qb, not a pro-style offense, 6'4" 222 lbs.

RG3 at combine: 6'2" 223, from spread offense, not a pro-style offense.

 

[j_y19]

I'll speak for the OP here, but I believe his point was that this situation is no win in that we are up against a time wall. Essentially, RG3 has to turn it around this year or he is gone. My position is that it is highly unlikely that he can turn it around this year, he has a long way to go and one year is probably not enough. The best that we can hope for is that he shows improvement and on a path toward proficiency. But then the issue of time comes in. Lets say he does have an improved year, what happens next year? Will RG3 accept a contract from The Skins that pays him as a mediocre QB or will he still expect to be recognized as one of the elite and want his compensation to match? OR do we franchise tag him (at a huge premium) to buy us another year to see if the improvement continues? And what about his injury prospects? They are real, are we willing to invest a significant amount of cap space for a player who may grow into a proficient NFL QB but just as likely could be out of the league at any time due to injury?

Given all of this, this is why I say we should consider trading him now and see what we can get. Because it is highly likely that he is gone after this year. He most likely will still struggle at times this year, but I do expect he will have a somewhat better command of the offense. But some of his weaknesses have little to do with knowing the offense and reading defenses. Some are just inherent skills (pocket presence, reaction to flee as opposed to stepping up, etc). Since its becoming clear he is probably not the future, lets minimize our losses and see if we can't find a CLE or NJY to give us a second round pick.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

RG3 can turn it around by simply screwing on his head straight . everything wrong with him is fixable over time .
what needs to happen is we need to stop coddling him and say these plays we think will make you successful and he needs to run them . no more diva bullshit

I think that he has already taken steps to focus on the field & not on other things. In any case - none of that really matters. As I have said numerous times it is put up or shut up time for RG3. He will need to show significant progress next season to justify his spot moving forward. Given his current price tag that is probably the correct move (barring the drafting of MM).

Let's be real - nobody is going to trade much for either RG3 or Cousins at this time. I laugh when I see things on this & similar forums where posters state that RG3 is no good yet they expect to get a high round draft pick in return. You can't have it both ways. If he sucks then it is highly likely that nobody is going to trade much for the guy.

Let's just be patient on this one. This is all part of the master plan for SM & I sure that he will make the right move in the QB area which very likely could include RG3 playing a key role next season & basically deciding his own destiny.

 

[j_y19]

I think that he has already taken steps to focus on the field & not on other things. In any case - none of that really matters. As I have said numerous times it is put up or shut up time for RG3. He will need to show significant progress next season to justify his spot moving forward. Given his current price tag that is probably the correct move (barring the drafting of MM).

Let's be real - nobody is going to trade much for either RG3 or Cousins at this time. I laugh when I see things on this & similar forums where posters state that RG3 is no good yet they expect to get a high round draft pick in return. You can't have it both ways. If he sucks then it is highly likely that nobody is going to trade much for the guy.

Let's just be patient on this one. This is all part of the master plan for SM & I sure that he will make the right move in the QB area which very likely could include RG3 playing a key role next season & basically deciding his own destiny.

So here's my question to you. Do you think he can show significant improvement this year? Or is it you expectatIon that this will probably be his last year here?

 

[Stymietee]

Why is the question of RGIII being discussed as an either/or with respect to his future? There is another alternative to this saga. So let's sum up before taking a look at what that alternative might look like. In 2012 the team used the Baylor offense to great success albeit at great cost to their QB's health. Why? Well primarily because the shooting star masked glaring weaknesses at other positions. Not willing to pay the price for continued success in that system the QB railed and the acrimony began. He being unwilling to recognize his limitations in the pocket and the team unwilling to bolster their roster and/or give him time to relearn. The results turned into 3-13 and 4-12 seasons respectively and the injuries mounted. Truth is, the team never really needed the RGIII of 2012, nor the one that soured on that notion in subsequent seasons. What they lacked was a history major, someone who constantly reminded them that with very few exceptions, QB's only go as far as their supporting cast takes them.
Be it luck, desperation, or being in the right place at the right time, somehow Dan Snyder got wind of this and fortunately for a fan base shouting at the rooftops for normalcy in NFL terms, he's hired GM, OL coach, and QB's coach.....all major players to the success of an NFL QB.

Hey, bu....but, what about Griffin? Well, his job if all others do theirs, will be exponentially much easier to do. He doesn't have to be the 2012 model, nor the weakened models of the past two seasons. What this team forgot is that which made them once powerful, limit the opportunities for the QB to HAVE to make plays and manage the team in easily down and distant situations. Make his ability to use his legs a bonus not a necessity. Of course, he will need to do his part and work with his QB's coach just to be adequate,and not worry about being spectacular. There have been 49 Superbowls won, most of them with good game managers at the helm, 3 of them right here in DC.

Watching Griffin play QB today, is like watching Tiger Woods tee it up in a PGA tournament. Sad to watch how fast you can lose it, but it happens. Maybe the NFL, and PGA could allow use of PED's so both Robert and Eldrick can put their Superman capes back on? Or, maybe not.

I think that he has already taken steps to focus on the field & not on other things. In any case - none of that really matters. As I have said numerous times it is put up or shut up time for RG3. He will need to show significant progress next season to justify his spot moving forward. Given his current price tag that is probably the correct move (barring the drafting of MM).

Let's be real - nobody is going to trade much for either RG3 or Cousins at this time. I laugh when I see things on this & similar forums where posters state that RG3 is no good yet they expect to get a high round draft pick in return. You can't have it both ways. If he sucks then it is highly likely that nobody is going to trade much for the guy.

Let's just be patient on this one. This is all part of the master plan for SM & I sure that he will make the right move in the QB area which very likely could include RG3 playing a key role next season & basically deciding his own destiny.

 

[Stymietee]

Actually, when it comes to the QB situation here in DC, the answer is.......less is more, just as it has been in Seattle and San Francisco. SM helped build these organizations and there was less reliance on QB play than it has been here. He's stated flatly that he intends to beef up the OLine, beyond that I'll bet that there's a RB that he's identified and intends to draft that fits into his plan as well. For those who believe that RGIII has a long way to go.....take another look, he really doesn't. If there's anyone who has to make major adjustments it is J. Gruden and his pass happy mindset.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I believe someone answered this for me already but, why aren't we doing what they run in Kanas City on offense.
The RB is the focal point, get the ball out quickly(one read) and take deep shots on occasion.
Obviously the defense will have to be better too, but if it reversed KC's fortunes, I'm not sure why a very simple scheme couldn't work here.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

So here's my question to you. Do you think he can show significant improvement this year? Or is it you expectatIon that this will probably be his last year here?

I believe that he can improve significantly, but it will be tough. It will require a lot of effort from him in the next several months & somewhat of a change in attitude. Note - I am not saying that this will happen - just that it is a possibility. Should be fun watching this unfold, and I am prepared for either possibility.