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[WizardHawk]

I would imagine most of you probably didn't just listen to KJR sports radio and hear the weekly interview with former pac12 coach Rick Neuheisel. While the discussion is always about the games coming up in the Pac12 and other happenings around college football, today's discussion turned to Pete Carroll and Jim Harblah and his experience with both of them.

It is too recent for the full audio to be posted online, but at some point it will be available here:
Mitch in the Morning

I'll give a brief paraphrased summary here.

When asked about his history with both he said they genuinely hate each other. He brought up the coaches meetings and gave the example that Pete used to have referees at his practices and Jim brought up that he wanted a rule to disallow it. He said there was an exchange between them on it that went something like: Pete: Why do we need a rule on that? Jim: Not everyone can do that so why should you be able to.


He said there was lots of that and it was obvious they really didn't like each other.

If that was all there was it would still be a good bit of insight, but there was more. He said neither of them liked him either and when asked if he was just saying that he gave the these examples:
He asked if Mitch remembered Jim's hand slap of Schwartz and said after their first meeting when he was at UCLA Stanford won the game and he did the same type of hand slap and said.... get this...
How 'bout that Ricky

Classic man. I can so see him saying/doing that. Rick said he asked in his head at the time "Did he really just say that?"

Now, he said his first encounter with Pete was while he was at Washington and Pete was in his first year at USC and after that game when UW won on a last second field goal they met at mid field and Pete's response was "we'll be back".

So both HC's are sort of strong personalities. And both were less than sportsmanship like at the midfield post game handshake.

Bottom line is both HC's really do hate each other and both are really as competitive against each other as they appear.

Can't wait for this game to get here man.

 

[MrS]

In terms of douchebaggery,
"How 'bout that Ricky" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "we'll be back"

its one thing to make a competitive comment after your team loses, its totally different to rub it in when your team wins. Douchebaugh has a long and storied history of it, apparently.

 

[STBR 27]

Sounds like Harbaugh is still the bigger douche.

I wish KJR was still on 102.9 FM, I can't get the AM station where I am and damn firewall at work won't allow me to listen to them online.

 

[MrS]

Get the iheart radio app, its not the best radio app but it works.

 

[Tech_God]

My company has firewalls as well. However, I Heart radio works great, in my opinion.

 

[Podunkparte]

Pete: Why do we need a rule on that? Jim: Not everyone can do that so why should you be able to. [/B]

This sums up the way I see Harbaugh. He's just a whiny little brat who complains anytime someone has a shiny new toy that he can't play with.

 

[WizardHawk]

 

[dredinis21]

In terms of douchebaggery,
"How 'bout that Ricky" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "we'll be back"

its one thing to make a competitive comment after your team loses, its totally different to rub it in when your team wins. Douchebaugh has a long and storied history of it, apparently.

So you have a sliding scale of what you deem more douche-baggey then others? Both are bad sportsmanship. What degree is irrelevant. "A competitive comment" is still horse shit in comparison to a simple "good game coach".

 

[WizardHawk]

dred, I did post that both hated Rick and both did things less than cordial. This isn't a true taunting thread, but you can easily make the case that on douchery scales Harblah's taunting a fellow coach after they beat them is far worse than another coach saying "hey, we will be back" and running off after they lose to them. Both are bad, but one is total slime and the other is just being a poor loser. The key here is both are super competitive and both really do hate each other. Adds another layer to the rivalry.

The audio is up on the page I linked above. Start around 6mins into it and listen to the exchange.

Wasn't just what I posted. Rick also brought up an incident where harbs called him at his office and accused him of recruiting violations with a walk on at UCLA. He said it didn't happen and harbs just hung up the phone on him. Rick called him back and basically told him that was bullshit.

To our SF fans who read this thread trust me I get it. If Harbs was our HC we would be saying much the same as you do. Sure he's a total douche and maybe the least sociable HC in sports, but he is a proven winner that has turned around 3 programs so why should we care? You gotta understand that fans around the rest of the league are of course going to bring up his stupidity and make fun of it.

 

[dredinis21]

dred, I did post that both hated Rick and both did things less than cordial. This isn't a true taunting thread, but you can easily make the case that on douchery scales Harblah's taunting a fellow coach after they beat them is far worse than another coach saying "hey, we will be back" and running off after they lose to them. Both are bad, but one is total slime and the other is just being a poor loser. The key here is both are super competitive and both really do hate each other. Adds another layer to the rivalry.

The audio is up on the page I linked above. Start around 6mins into it and listen to the exchange.

Wasn't just what I posted. Rick also brought up an incident where harbs called him at his office and accused him of recruiting violations with a walk on at UCLA. He said it didn't happen and harbs just hung up the phone on him. Rick called him back and basically told him that was bullshit.

To our SF fans who read this thread trust me I get it. If Harbs was our HC we would be saying much the same as you do. Sure he's a total douche and maybe the least sociable HC in sports, but he is a proven winner that has turned around 3 programs so why should we care? You gotta understand that fans around the rest of the league are of course going to bring up his stupidity and make fun of it.

I'm not defending harbaugh's stupidity in this, I'm simply addressing the poster that tries to discount what Pete did. I understand what harbaugh said was horse shit as well. I'm just saying that a simple "good game coach" out of either is what is appropriate, not competitive comments.

 

[SonnyCID]

I thought that this thread was going to be about this SF fan representative that called in to Brock and Danny yesterday.....

Here it is, @ 15:25 http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=577&a=9961341&p=1007&n=Brock and Danny

I dont know why I thought is shit was so funny, but it is.

 

[yossarian]

There are lots of examples of great coaches or athletes being total dickheads to opposing players or coaches. Hell, Michael Jordan was terrible to his teammates and punched one in practice. I will say this: Harbaugh is a dick to opposing coaches and press outside of SF, but he ran a completely clean program while at Stanford, and his players -- who include some really genuinely good people like Patrick Willis, Justin Smith and Frank Gore -- all love playing for him. I wish that Harbaugh not only ran a clean program but was also very affable, but I prefer his vices to someone who presided over a program that was completely dirty in college and is really polished (Carroll).
I listened to the radio segment and the best part was when Neuheisel said they both hated him.

 

[SonnyCID]

There are lots of examples of great coaches or athletes being total dickheads to opposing players or coaches. Hell, Michael Jordan was terrible to his teammates and punched one in practice. I will say this: Harbaugh is a dick to opposing coaches and press outside of SF, but he ran a completely clean program while at Stanford, and his players -- who include some really genuinely good people like Patrick Willis, Justin Smith and Frank Gore -- all love playing for him. I wish that Harbaugh not only ran a clean program but was also very affable, but I prefer his vices to someone who presided over a program that was completely dirty in college and is really polished (Carroll).
I listened to the radio segment and the best part was when Neuheisel said they both hated him.

Why do people make it sound like Carroll paid Bush himself?

 

[STBR 27]

Why do people make it sound like Carroll paid Bush himself?

Or even had knowledge it was taking place.

 

[octagondd]

Why do people make it sound like Carroll paid Bush himself?

People will never buy that a college coach wouldn't have anything to do with rule breaking by others, because, well, they have never been a college football coach. I think people literally believe the coaches sleep in the same room as the star players and never leave their sides.

 

[Doublejive]

Lol i would not defend a coach like Harb,and A Hole is an A hole and should be called on that.

 

[WizardHawk]

There are lots of examples of great coaches or athletes being total dickheads to opposing players or coaches. Hell, Michael Jordan was terrible to his teammates and punched one in practice. I will say this: Harbaugh is a dick to opposing coaches and press outside of SF, but he ran a completely clean program while at Stanford, and his players -- who include some really genuinely good people like Patrick Willis, Justin Smith and Frank Gore -- all love playing for him. I wish that Harbaugh not only ran a clean program but was also very affable, but I prefer his vices to someone who presided over a program that was completely dirty in college and is really polished (Carroll).
I listened to the radio segment and the best part was when Neuheisel said they both hated him.

Can't argue with anything you said. As I said I would say much the same thing if he was our coach, but he's not so his douchey garbage is funny and worthy of posting. And yes Neuheisel's piece was funny on many fronts. He is a far better commentator than he was a HC IMO. I love his segments.

Doesn't matter which team you pull for, isn't it good to have this added coach level hatred to this rivalry? I want our teams to despise each other. I don't mind it being personal. I want them to push and shove and try to get in each others heads. Screw that politically correct sportsmanship stuff. Get nasty and take it out on the field of play.

 

[yossarian]

Can't argue with anything you said. As I said I would say much the same thing if he was our coach, but he's not so his douchey garbage is funny and worthy of posting. And yes Neuheisel's piece was funny on many fronts. He is a far better commentator than he was a HC IMO. I love his segments.

Doesn't matter which team you pull for, isn't it good to have this added coach level hatred to this rivalry? I want our teams to despise each other. I don't mind it being personal. I want them to push and shove and try to get in each others heads. Screw that politically correct sportsmanship stuff. Get nasty and take it out on the field of play.

Totally agree, great rivalry and since I live in Seattle I get the best of all worlds on that score.

 

[WizardHawk]

Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll: How the rivalry began, what it tells us about both, and why it endures | Talking Points
Another article on the rivalry between both coaches.

 

[DunceKaep]

Pete may be a little shady, I'm not sure. Bush situation is something that PC should/not have been aware of..We can argue this forever. My opinion, "blind eye". He probably knew.
On to that harbaugh guy. Because of his success, it has been shown that he is NOT stupid, but he MAKES stupid comments.

Does he do it on purpose, or is he socially inept? Because he (JH) comes across an arrogant, lutz, we are unsure if he is sincere or an assscllown, I vote assssclown. For the record, I can't stand that ascssscown that is the 9ers coach. Hate him.