QB Draft class

[JMR]

This QB class is a lot better than last year, but the only one without any obvious flaws is Bryce Young.

I dunno man, I think Bryce Young's stature is a flaw, and quite a significant one. Short and slight.

 

[flyerhawk]

I dunno man, I think Bryce Young's stature is a flaw, and quite a significant one. Short and slight.

Yeah. There are no clear cut can't miss type QB prospects this year. Which is a big reason why I don't want us to take a swing at one that is much less likely to hit.

I do think that if PC/JS draft a QB it is because they have convinced themselves that he IS a can't miss prospect. So I'm ok if they do wind up taking a QB. But ultimately I think they go defense with that 1st pick.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Yeah. There are no clear cut can't miss type QB prospects this year. Which is a big reason why I don't want us to take a swing at one that is much less likely to hit.

I do think that if PC/JS draft a QB it is because they have convinced themselves that he IS a can't miss prospect. So I'm ok if they do wind up taking a QB. But ultimately I think they go defense with that 1st pick.

If PC/JS decide to pass on a QB so be it, they know better than fans like me. However listening to posters talk about how risky it is to draft QBs in the first I got to wonder why teams constantly draft QBs in the first and often top 10, top 5, top 3, and even first overall. It can't be because the QBs are "can't miss" because most drafts don't have a "can't miss" QB. If there is one "can't miss" QB once he is off the board why do teams even bother taking another QB round one? Lots of idiots running these teams? Probably every team in the league has drafted a QB in round one at some point.

 

[flyerhawk]

If PC/JS decide to pass on a QB so be it, they know better than fans like me. However listening to posters talk about how risky it is to draft QBs in the first I got to wonder why teams constantly draft QBs in the first and often top 10, top 5, top 3, and even first overall. It can't be because the QBs are "can't miss" because most drafts don't have a "can't miss" QB. If there is one "can't miss" QB once he is off the board why do teams even bother taking another QB round one? Lots of idiots running these teams? Probably every team in the league has drafted a QB in round one at some point.

Well teams have their own reasons. But not all top draft picks are created equally. If you look at that list of QBs drafted in the top over the last 10 years and you only count QBs that weren't drafted No. 1 overall, things get pretty grim. Basically it leaves you with 3 top quality QBs(Mahomes, Allen, Herbert). The Jets spent TWO No. 2 picks on QBs and failed with both of them. The Jaguars spent a No. 3 and then a No. 1.

The Seahawks decided to basically go chalk last year and it was one of our best drafts in recent years. What I DON'T want to see is JS/PC go off trail again. This is especially true of QBs.

What I don't want is for the Hawks to draft a QB simply because they have the No. 3 pick. We are much better off rebuilding the defense and taking some mid round shots at QB. Hell, I'd be ok with them using their 2nd 1st on a QB if they saw someone that they felt was undervalued. But I think the chance of getting a true defensive disruptor is too important with that 1st pick.

 

[MrS]

Some teams are stupid, like the jets. In other cases its because an NFL coach's shelf life can be incredibly short and lacking a franchise QB is the primary cause.

We aren't in that situation, Carroll isnt getting fired and we have a QB thats good enough to win 10+ games. If our defense wasn't utter trash, we are probably looking at a 12 win season.

 

[flyerhawk]

Some teams are stupid, like the jets. In other cases its because an NFL coach's shelf life can be incredibly short and lacking a franchise QB is the primary cause.

We aren't in that situation, Carroll isnt getting fired and we have a QB thats good enough to win 10+ games. If our defense wasn't utter trash, we are probably looking at a 12 win season.

The Jets took what was considered the consensus 2nd best QB both times. In retrospect we all know that Allen was the best of that bunch but that was FAR from certain to happen. In fact, Allen is a bit of a unicorn in his development. Honestly, I think that the 2018 draft is a good comparison to this draft. There are a handful of QBs that could be considered top prospects, plus several other dark horses. The odds are that most of them will not pan out. A 20% chance to hit on a QB is a pretty big risk given how many other holes this team has.

I agree with you. Geno is good enough to keep the job and far more likely to be a competent QB for this team next year.

Now if Pete were to retire, which seems very unlikely, then my entire thinking changes completely.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Well teams have their own reasons. But not all top draft picks are created equally. If you look at that list of QBs drafted in the top over the last 10 years and you only count QBs that weren't drafted No. 1 overall, things get pretty grim. Basically it leaves you with 3 top quality QBs(Mahomes, Allen, Herbert). The Jets spent TWO No. 2 picks on QBs and failed with both of them. The Jaguars spent a No. 3 and then a No. 1.

Well those 3 top quality QBs are fair recent:
2017 Mahomes
2018 Allen
2019 Other than first over all no other QB drafted top 10
2020 Herbert
2021 No QB period in top 10

I think this years class is way better than the 2019 and 2021 drafts for QBs despite no sure bet and some debate on how they are ranked. I see at least 3 and maybe 4 go top 10 in 2023 draft, and I bet at least one will hit, maybe more.

I understand the desire for help for the defense, especially the DL and I'm all for addressing it, but that can be addressed with the other 3 premium picks. Our own 1st, Bronco's 2nd and our 2nd and then we still have several picks.

People speak of top 10 QBs busting to often, but think we all understand the bust rate increases after the top 10 and by a lot. I've heard poster say use a 3rd on a QB that should work.

I feel Geno has been slowly turning back into what is the norm for him. He's 32 right now which is a bit old for a rebuilding team like the Seahawks and not to have a solid QB to turn should Geno not perform seems really risky, as the Seahawks will be drafting much later in the upcoming drafts and then they will be forced to REALLY reach for a QB.

Going to seem like forever for the draft to arrive and I do have to laugh at myself for arguing so hard when I got no say in who the Seahawks take.

 

[Anointed One]

The Jets took what was considered the consensus 2nd best QB both times. In retrospect we all know that Allen was the best of that bunch but that was FAR from certain to happen. In fact, Allen is a bit of a unicorn in his development. Honestly, I think that the 2018 draft is a good comparison to this draft. There are a handful of QBs that could be considered top prospects, plus several other dark horses. The odds are that most of them will not pan out. A 20% chance to hit on a QB is a pretty big risk given how many other holes this team has.

I agree with you. Geno is good enough to keep the job and far more likely to be a competent QB for this team next year.

Now if Pete were to retire, which seems very unlikely, then my entire thinking changes completely.

That was pretty much my point... Both times the Jets took a QB, the position players outside QB all were great picks and panned out well for other teams... In most instances, are complete studs for their teams...

Plus, there is a lot of pressure in NY to hit on a stud QB...

 

[flyerhawk]

Well those 3 top quality QBs are fair recent:
2017 Mahomes
2018 Allen
2019 Other than first over all no other QB drafted top 10
2020 Herbert
2021 No QB period in top 10

I think this years class is way better than the 2019 and 2021 drafts for QBs despite no sure bet and some debate on how they are ranked. I see at least 3 and maybe 4 go top 10 in 2023 draft, and I bet at least one will hit, maybe more.

I understand the desire for help for the defense, especially the DL and I'm all for addressing it, but that can be addressed with the other 3 premium picks. Our own 1st, Bronco's 2nd and our 2nd and then we still have several picks.

People speak of top 10 QBs busting to often, but think we all understand the bust rate increases after the top 10 and by a lot. I've heard poster say use a 3rd on a QB that should work.

I feel Geno has been slowly turning back into what is the norm for him. He's 32 right now which is a bit old for a rebuilding team like the Seahawks and not to have a solid QB to turn should Geno not perform seems really risky, as the Seahawks will be drafting much later in the upcoming drafts and then they will be forced to REALLY reach for a QB.

Going to seem like forever for the draft to arrive and I do have to laugh at myself for arguing so hard when I got no say in who the Seahawks take.

Point of clarification. Daniel Jones was drafted #6 in 2019.

The Seahawks are not in rebuild mode. Pete Carroll isn't going to be on board with a rebuild. The offense this year was a double digit win offense. The defense was a 4 win defense. If you replaced Geno Smith with Pat Mahomes, how many more games do we win? 2? 3?

If Pete Carroll were to retire, then I would agree with you. Blow it up and let the new coach find his new QB. But drafting a QB now with a defense that is one of the worst in football achieves what?

 

[flyerhawk]

That was pretty much my point... Both times the Jets took a QB, the position players outside QB all were great picks and panned out well for other teams... In most instances, are complete studs for their teams...

Plus, there is a lot of pressure in NY to hit on a stud QB...

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The Jets have been snakebit on getting a stud QB for decades. They can't seen to do it right and it isn't all their own fault.

The Seahawks are fortunate in that they have a competent QB under center right now. So they don't HAVE to draft a QB early. They can but they don't have to.

That No. 3 pick should be used to take the player they think is a generational talent at ANY position.

 

[MrS]

The Jets took what was considered the consensus 2nd best QB both times.

I remember the wilson pick being a bit of a shock. I could be wrong.

In retrospect we all know that Allen was the best of that bunch but that was FAR from certain to happen. In fact, Allen is a bit of a unicorn in his development. Honestly, I think that the 2018 draft is a good comparison to this draft. There are a handful of QBs that could be considered top prospects, plus several other dark horses. The odds are that most of them will not pan out. A 20% chance to hit on a QB is a pretty big risk given how many other holes this team has.

Its too risky for top three when potential elite defenders are there for the taking. If levis or Richardson are there at 18 then ok fine.

I agree with you. Geno is good enough to keep the job and far more likely to be a competent QB for this team next year.

A more consistent run game and defense mens less pressure on geno to carry the team.

 

[flyerhawk]

I remember the wilson pick being a bit of a shock. I could be wrong.

Nah. He was the consensus 2nd best pick..

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The surprise was Trey Lantz by the Niners.

Its too risky for top three when potential elite defenders are there for the taking. If levis or Richardson are there at 18 then ok fine.

Agreed. Carter or Anderson are game changing level talents.

A more consistent run game and defense mens less pressure on geno to carry the team.

Yes. I think that if PC has the talent on defense he can still run a good defense.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

The Jets have been snakebit on getting a stud QB for decades. They can't seen to do it right and it isn't all their own fault.

Too much shuffling overall, GM, HC, QB are in a constant flux of change.

That No. 3 pick should be used to take the player they think is a generational talent at ANY position.

Generational talent gets thrown around way to often. You think there is one of those this draft?

 

[flyerhawk]

Too much shuffling overall, GM, HC, QB are in a constant flux of change.

Agreed

Generational talent gets thrown around way to often. You think there is one of those this draft?

I have no way of knowing. I don't watch nearly enough college football to say. And not every draft class is created equally. So there may not be one. You just draft the one you think has the best chance of success.

Now from what I have seen, Jalen Carter seems like a man among boys at Georgia. He seems to be the clearest can't miss player.

 

[Screamin12th]

Well those 3 top quality QBs are fair recent:
2017 Mahomes
2018 Allen
2019 Other than first over all no other QB drafted top 10
2020 Herbert
2021 No QB period in top 10

I think this years class is way better than the 2019 and 2021 drafts for QBs despite no sure bet and some debate on how they are ranked. I see at least 3 and maybe 4 go top 10 in 2023 draft, and I bet at least one will hit, maybe more.

I understand the desire for help for the defense, especially the DL and I'm all for addressing it, but that can be addressed with the other 3 premium picks. Our own 1st, Bronco's 2nd and our 2nd and then we still have several picks.

People speak of top 10 QBs busting to often, but think we all understand the bust rate increases after the top 10 and by a lot. I've heard poster say use a 3rd on a QB that should work.

I feel Geno has been slowly turning back into what is the norm for him. He's 32 right now which is a bit old for a rebuilding team like the Seahawks and not to have a solid QB to turn should Geno not perform seems really risky, as the Seahawks will be drafting much later in the upcoming drafts and then they will be forced to REALLY reach for a QB.

Going to seem like forever for the draft to arrive and I do have to laugh at myself for arguing so hard when I got no say in who the Seahawks take.

I think this 2023 draft class at QB will be like the 2019 class, were you have some flashy QB play but flawed and inconsistent and no real stud but someone will be over hyped in his early NFL career just like Murray. I don't think there is one QB in this class that will ever be anything more than a average to below average starter with about i say 10% chance that one becomes a borderline probowl/all pro QB and i don't think it will be any of the first 3 to 5 QB's picked.

I know i am not really going out on a limb to say this as the average kind of back this up but I just want people to understand that the chances of our guy being the stud QB if we pick one are very very VERY low. It's not like we got a Luck out there that EVERYONE knew would be great and he was ... till he retired. I would feel 100% better if they could convince Luck to Unretire and play than any of these QB's in the 2023 draft with out a single doubt lol

QB's are ALWAYS over valued and over drafted and have destroyed franchises repeatedly with wasted picks. We CAN NOT afford to miss if we take one.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I think this 2023 draft class at QB will be like the 2019 class, were you have some flashy QB play but flawed and inconsistent and no real stud but someone will be over hyped in his early NFL career just like Murray. I don't think there is one QB in this class that will ever be anything more than a average to below average starter with about i say 10% chance that one becomes a borderline probowl/all pro QB and i don't think it will be any of the first 3 to 5 QB's picked.

I know i am not really going out on a limb to say this as the average kind of back this up but I just want people to understand that the chances of our guy being the stud QB if we pick one are very very VERY low. It's not like we got a Luck out there that EVERYONE knew would be great and he was ... till he retired. I would feel 100% better if they could convince Luck to Unretire and play than any of these QB's in the 2023 draft with out a single doubt lol

QB's are ALWAYS over valued and over drafted and have destroyed franchises repeatedly with wasted picks. We CAN NOT afford to miss if we take one.

This draft class is better than 2019 which only had 2 QBs drafted in the 1st round ( Haskins being the other) the only thing these drafts have in common is they both have a undersized QB listed as a top QB. LOL at over dramatizing drafting a bust at QB "destroyed franchises repeatedly" Problem wasn't swing and missing, it's that they never find a franchise QB. Some here are like "If you don't swing , you'll never miss" motto going on, course you don't draft a QB you can't miss on a QB.. It's like saying the cure for losing in the playoffs is to never make the playoffs.
The media is pushing Carter and Anderson, don't get suck in by the hype these two are not "monsters" "beasts" and are as likely to busts as the top QBs in this draft. I mentioned that Carters stats are actually kind of shitty and I wonder why the media have landed on these two to hype TBH.
Anderson in a 3-4 will be a outside LB who can't cover, he'll be a pass rush specialist kind of like Taylor has been only 20 pounds smaller. Everyone wants a guaranteed to succeed pick with that top pick, but the truth is there isn't anyone in this draft that is a "can't miss" no matter the position.

 

[flyerhawk]

This draft class is better than 2019 which only had 2 QBs drafted in the 1st round ( Haskins being the other) the only thing these drafts have in common is a undersized QB. LOL at over dramatizing drafting a bust at QB "destroyed franchises repeatedly" Problem wasn't swing and missing, it's that they never find a franchise QB. Some here are like "If you don't swing , you'll never miss" motto going on, course you don't draft a QB you can't miss on a QB.. It's like saying the cure for losing in the playoffs is to never make the playoffs.
The media is pushing Carter and Anderson, don't get suck in by the hype these two are not "monsters" "beasts" and are as likely to busts as the top QBs in this draft. I mentioned that Carters stats are actually kind of shitty and I wonder why the media have landed on these two to hype TBH.
Anderson in a 3-4 will be a outside LB who can't cover, he'll be a pass rush specialist kind of like Taylor has been only 20 pounds smaller. Everyone wants a guaranteed to succeed pick with that top pick, but the truth is there isn't anyone in this draft that is a "can't miss" no matter the position.

I have no idea if Anderson or Carter will be studs anymore than any other player. It's all a crap shoot. I will say your stats measurement was misleading. Aaron Donald was a 4 year starter for a mid level school that played a bunch of pretty weak teams. Jalen Carter was a 2 and a 1/2 year starter that played one of the toughest schedules in the country. Will Anderson has pretty monster stats especially given he is also only a 3 year starter.

A lot of players rack up huge stats against weak sister schools in college. Which is why scouts tend to look at a player's performance against big teams.

It seems like you just want the team to draft a QB simply because we have the No. 3 pick. That seems like a not great way to approach the draft. Is there even a QB you specifically like or are you fine with any of the top 3?

 

[MrS]

I get what Harold is saying, but a big part of my reasoning for going defense is Carroll's timeline. I dont think he will coach beyond his current contract and he doesnt have time to develop a QB. He will be in win now mode next year and the path of least resistance will be keeping Geno and going all in on defense.

Like I said before, if our D could fight its way out of a wet paper bag we are looking at a 12 win season minimum.

 

[flyerhawk]

I get what Harold is saying, but a big part of my reasoning for going defense is Carroll's timeline. I dont think he will coach beyond his current contract and he doesnt have time to develop a QB. He will be in win now mode next year and the path of least resistance will be keeping Geno and going all in on defense.

Like I said before, if our D could fight its way out of a wet paper bag we are looking at a 12 win season minimum.

Same here. I've mentioned before that if Carroll retired then I would reconsider our entire draft strategy.

But drafting a QB means we are almost certainly 2 and probably 3 years from contention assuming we do hit on the QB.

Pete is a defensive coach. If we are going to stick with him then we should let him do what he does best. And that means rebuilding the defense.
I do think we may need to use one of our top 4 picks on a receiver.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I have no idea if Anderson or Carter will be studs anymore than any other player. It's all a crap shoot. I will say your stats measurement was misleading. Aaron Donald was a 4 year starter for a mid level school that played a bunch of pretty weak teams. Jalen Carter was a 2 and a 1/2 year starter that played one of the toughest schedules in the country. Will Anderson has pretty monster stats especially given he is also only a 3 year starter.

A lot of players rack up huge stats against weak sister schools in college. Which is why scouts tend to look at a player's performance against big teams.

It seems like you just want the team to draft a QB simply because we have the No. 3 pick. That seems like a not great way to approach the draft. Is there even a QB you specifically like or are you fine with any of the top 3?

Carters stats are way under whelming any way you cut it, my problem with Anderson is the Seahawks use a 3-4 and no way could he play DE in that system and I've seen nothing that says he can cover as a LB.