potential trade partners

[deep9er]

Exploring possible trade partners - San Francisco 49ers Blog - ESPN

sorry if this was already posted, didn't see it in the 'draft' thread. anyway, like the teens and twenties scenario, don't like the Oakland possibility.

 

[purguy12]

I see us trading with the Ravens.

 

[MHSL82]

2014 NFL Draft: Evidence From Last Two Years Shows Trade Value Chart Is Alive And Well - Blogging The Boys

 

[Badger8843]

I see us trading with the Ravens.

Makes sense all the way around, either way we are going to land a top CB or WR

 

[MHSL82]

Clayton's mailbag -- Is trading up in NFL draft worth risk? - ESPN

 

[deep9er]

Clayton's mailbag -- Is trading up in NFL draft worth risk? - ESPN

yep, Atlanta succeeded in getting their stud receiver in 2011, so how far has Jones taken them? most fans are enamored with stud WR's, but if we really think about, which ones have 'carried' their teams?

do want a quality WR, but not if the draft price is too high. IMO trading into the top 10 is too high.

 

[Reefer]

yep, Atlanta succeeded in getting their stud receiver in 2011, so how far has Jones taken them? most fans are enamored with stud WR's, but if we really think about, which ones have 'carried' their teams?

do want a quality WR, but not if the draft price is too high. IMO trading into the top 10 is too high.

Atlants did almost get to the Super Bowl in Julio's 2nd year. He put up 17/241/2 in the playoffs that year and has been a stud, but its tough for any 1 player to carry a football team, except for maybe an elite QB.

They gave up a lot to get him, missed on many of their other picks and it hurt their depth. SF has the luxury of having a number of picks, but if you move an abundance of them to move up you better hit on that pick. They aren't going to be able to stockpile picks every year AND trade up in the 1st round. I like the Reid move as it wasn't terribly costly, but allowed to move into range to get their player. Getting quality and depth out of your mid round picks is becoming vital for long term success and that is what is great about the extra picks, you can take a few risks Carradine, Lattimore and if it doesn't work you still had your 2 3rd round picks and a few extra 5th and 6th rounders. If Baalke is going to go for the splash move, this is likely the year to do it as the stockpile of draft picks dwindles down.

 

[deep9er]

Atlants did almost get to the Super Bowl in Julio's 2nd year. He put up 17/241/2 in the playoffs that year and has been a stud, but its tough for any 1 player to carry a football team, except for maybe an elite QB.

They gave up a lot to get him, missed on many of their other picks and it hurt their depth. SF has the luxury of having a number of picks, but if you move an abundance of them to move up you better hit on that pick. They aren't going to be able to stockpile picks every year AND trade up in the 1st round. I like the Reid move as it wasn't terribly costly, but allowed to move into range to get their player. Getting quality and depth out of your mid round picks is becoming vital for long term success and that is what is great about the extra picks, you can take a few risks Carradine, Lattimore and if it doesn't work you still had your 2 3rd round picks and a few extra 5th and 6th rounders. If Baalke is going to go for the splash move, this is likely the year to do it as the stockpile of draft picks dwindles down.

some teams with elite WR's don't seem to be quality play-off teams? Arizona, Detroit, Dallas, Chicago? which quality play-off team does have an elite WR, Denver?

yes, wouldn't move into the top 10 unless its for a QB. this year, wouldn't move into the top 5 even for Clowney or Watkins.

no doubt you have to have good draft classes, and is why you stick to BPA early on. going BPA increases the odds of success.....long term success. a good team can survive one bad draft class (example our 2012), but two in a row will be felt.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

yep, Atlanta succeeded in getting their stud receiver in 2011, so how far has Jones taken them? most fans are enamored with stud WR's, but if we really think about, which ones have 'carried' their teams?

do want a quality WR, but not if the draft price is too high. IMO trading into the top 10 is too high.

To home field advantage through the playoffs and one play from the super bowl in his last healthy season.... I'm not advocating a move like that - at all - but if the Falcons had held us off last year, there's a pretty good chance they could have been hoisting the Lombardi that year. And it would have been largely due to Jones' 182 yards and two TDs in the NFCCG.

In 2012, Ryan threw for 4509 yards, 32 TDs, 14 INTs, and a 99.1 rating and a 13-3 record. In 2013, with Jones out for most of the season, Ryan threw for 4243 yards, 26 TDs, 17 INTs, an 89.5 rating and a 4-12 record. Unseen in those numbers are the 44 sacks this year as opposed to 28 in 2012, though that might have had more to do with Roddy White's nagging injuries. It also must be mentioned that they were 1-4 before Jones went out (granted all fairly close losses compared to their later-season collapse).

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Re: Clayton's mailbag, he's oversimplifying based on a very small sample size. The Niners have been effective trading up in the first to target specific players.

 

[deep9er]

To home field advantage through the playoffs and one play from the super bowl in his last healthy season.... I'm not advocating a move like that - at all - but if the Falcons had held us off last year, there's a pretty good chance they could have been hoisting the Lombardi that year. And it would have been largely due to Jones' 182 yards and two TDs in the NFCCG.

In 2012, Ryan threw for 4509 yards, 32 TDs, 14 INTs, and a 99.1 rating and a 13-3 record. In 2013, with Jones out for most of the season, Ryan threw for 4243 yards, 26 TDs, 17 INTs, an 89.5 rating and a 4-12 record. Unseen in those numbers are the 44 sacks this year as opposed to 28 in 2012, though that might have had more to do with Roddy White's nagging injuries. It also must be mentioned that they were 1-4 before Jones went out (granted all fairly close losses compared to their later-season collapse).

ok, then the next question would be about...............long term success?

 

[JPurthe1]

Watkins is the target, just an opinion.

 

[numone9er]

Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham could be targets for 49ers, Jets - NFL.com

Please no for both. Do they have that much faith in our CB's??

 

[sjballer03]

Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham could be targets for 49ers, Jets - NFL.com

Please no for both. Do they have that much faith in our CB's??

It could mean they like the CBs that will be available later on in the draft. Then again, I wouldn't take any reports like these seriously.

 

[-AC-]

2010- From Jimmy Clausen to Joe Haden
2011- From Prince Amukamara to Blaine Gabbert
2012- From Stephen Hill to Coby Fleener
2013- From Sheldon Richardson to Jonathen Cyprien

Previous mock drafts and rumors...

Hard to say who Baalke will select...

 

[imac_21]

ok, then the next question would be about...............long term success?

It's difficult to comment on long term success because the lead has changed so much in the last few years there is no "long term" to consider. We can go back further than that and look at the 80s and 90s (Rice, Irvin) but that doesn't do us any good in evaluating the importance in today's game.

On top of that, there weren't a lot of "game breaking" WRs available in the draft 8-12 years ago, so we don't have any good examples to analyze there. I know that TO seemed to be pretty successful with us, Philly and Dallas and that when he left each team, they saw a significant decrease in team success.

I think, with the exception of QB, a great player will always help a team. The concern is what you are losing out on in acquiring him. What would the cost be to move up and get Watkins, Evans or Beckham? Is what we're giving up more harmful than the good we get through the acquisition of the WR.

How much do we benefit as a team from adding a big play, complete WR?
How much better is the WR we would be trading up for than the one we'd have a shot at if we stayed put?

Then you can apply the same questions to CB (The other "major" position of need).

 

[CalamityX11]

also take into consideration, IMO, that the actual depth of this team... we're currently stocked with draft picks and there's no minor leagues to stash them all... there's some upgrades out there needed and we have the ammo to solidify our unit on either side.

For a team that's knocking on the SB stage as well as seeing father time get to our more fan favorites, time to re-up and/or juice up for that run.

 

[BINGO]

Let's give them a 5th and Chris Culliver bum a$$:

Chiefs open to trading CB Flowers

Dan Pompei of Bleacher Report reports the Chiefs "are believed to be willing to deal" CB Brandon Flowers.

Flowers struggled mightily in DC Bob Sutton's press-man scheme last season, grading out as a bottom-15 cover corner at PFF. He allowed a 66.7 percent completion rate, 846 yards, and four touchdowns in his coverage, while QBs had a 103.9 rating throwing at him. Flowers has three years left on a six-year, $49.35 million deal and may be difficult to move. At 5-foot-9 and 187 pounds, he's best suited to fill the slot role. He somehow made the Pro Bowl last season.
Source: Bleacher Report

May 6 - 11:03 AM

 

[purguy12]

Let's give them a 5th and Chris Culliver bum a$$:

Chiefs open to trading CB Flowers

Dan Pompei of Bleacher Report reports the Chiefs "are believed to be willing to deal" CB Brandon Flowers.

Flowers struggled mightily in DC Bob Sutton's press-man scheme last season, grading out as a bottom-15 cover corner at PFF. He allowed a 66.7 percent completion rate, 846 yards, and four touchdowns in his coverage, while QBs had a 103.9 rating throwing at him. Flowers has three years left on a six-year, $49.35 million deal and may be difficult to move. At 5-foot-9 and 187 pounds, he's best suited to fill the slot role. He somehow made the Pro Bowl last season.
Source: Bleacher Report

May 6 - 11:03 AM

I would see what they want. If they are asking for a 2nd rd plus maybe a 5th I do the trade. Not our 1st rd pick. Contract is the only issue.

 

[deep9er]

I would see what they want. If they are asking for a 2nd rd plus maybe a 5th I do the trade. Not our 1st rd pick. Contract is the only issue.

lets delete the sentence regarding his contract................

Flowers struggled mightily in DC Bob Sutton's press-man scheme last season, grading out as a bottom-15 cover corner at PFF. He allowed a 66.7 percent completion rate, 846 yards, and four touchdowns in his coverage, while QBs had a 103.9 rating throwing at him. At 5-foot-9 and 187 pounds, he's best suited to fill the slot role.

still seems like an easy decision...........no thanks.